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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 27, 2017 17:47:27 GMT
SEQUELS AND DLC I expect three major DLC’s which is in line with past Bioware titles. . We are going to see the Quarian Ark, probably in the June/July time frame in conjunction with the release of the next Mass Effect novel Annihilation. Real potential there, because each of the species aboard is going to have unique needs and challenges. I also suspect based on how things ended you will also have a side mission to help set up Meridian as an actual colony as part of this expansion. 3 characters you are introduced to at the end of the Chapter seem like the likely quest givers. This is solid post game content. I also suspect we will get more information about the mysterious threat in the Milky Way Galaxy (lol). This could spread among the colonists and create fear. The second DLC might be a toss off with a focus on social content like the Citadel expansion in ME:3. It could have you delve more into the Remnant or add a new character. I don’t see it touching any of the major points above. This could likely come out around November. It will come out with the Novel Initiation. This could reveal some of the backstory of the initiative but I doubt it. The third DLC which probably won’t come out for close to a year, I expect to be similar to Arrival in ME:2. It is going to lay some foundation for the next game. This is the one where we may see them deal with your Mom. She is a powerful story telling device because she is bound to have a lot more information about the Benefactor or the lead up to the Initiative both through her time with Alec and her role in creating the SAM implants. Sequels There is going to be a sequel to this game. A great article (link below) talked to the developer who mentioned a lot of the stuff above being part of the meta-story for the saga and it makes a lot of sense. I see two ways a sequel could play out: Option 1: The Ryder Continuity The next game will take place 5-10 years after the events of ME:A. This is about the amount of time required for you to see the full consequences of the decisions you made in ME:A. Right now the colonists are heavily focused on building their settlements and getting established. Members of your team are already being offered new jobs, and will likely disperse. This is also likely the time it will take for all the colonists to be unfrozen and settled and for the hidden conspiracy at the heart of the Initiative to take form. It also gives 10 years for Meridian to be researched and for an efficient travel technology to be discovered which will give them easy access to other parts of the massive Andromeda Galaxy ala Mass Effect Relay. The Ryder twins are in their early to mid 20’s so 10 years won’t do much. It will give players a chance to visit the colonies they founded, and see Andromeda take shape. Given that Heleus Cluster was basically an artificial construct including all life, it gives the Bioware the chance to create some real aliens (I for one would love to see them encounter a primitive race and all the moral decisions that would involve). Some of his companions will be available, others (Vetra probably, Cora, Gill, and maybe even Liam) won’t be available so it will be time for some new companions. The others will appear. Still not really a trilogy, as it does have the same characters but if each story is stand alone with interwoven elements then its not really a trilogy. Option 2: The future. Let me be honest, I love my Ryders. But If you want to really break the mold Bioware could really shake things up. Move 30 years into the future. My favorite companion makes this work, SAM. The introduction of SAM and his abilities means he can share information and memories with players. To me he is the key plot device that gives Bioware a LOT of options. In this vision, the Ryders become NPC’s and you play as a Heleus Born citizen. You have entered the Pathfinder program out of awe of the stories you grew up with in school. The program isn’t as active as it once was with Meridian established and the colonies built and no one wanting to look past the Heleus Cluster. The Ryders could be your trainers or could be hero’s that disappeared. The fund thing with this approach is that you could potentially have an opportunity to play as a non-human (I totally get from a logical standpoint why you always play as a human but just saying it would be cool). You get to see what Ryder helped build, meet the original companions who are now these heroic figures. Characters like Drack and PeeBee and Lexi could join you because of their long life spans, others would not be an option. In both options I focus on them moving into the future. Throughout my playthrough I noticed a lot of veiled references to the future, and possible future events. In some cases they emphasized actual time periods being 5, 10, 30 years. I felt like their was a foreshadowing element that required the next game to happen father down the road than the previous series. With SAM they could go 100, 500, or even 1000 years in the future and still create linkages so its pretty cool tool. Things I would like to see in future games: 1.) I liked the open world, but you could scale them down slightly and increase the number. Plus have more one off areas. 2.) I love the scenes when you fly from planet to planet BUT do more to reward players. Like in the original maybe have a few side quests hidden on random worlds, like dealing with a pirate who is attacking traders (Andromeda Viability points). 3.) The whole colonization concept was awesome. It dragged a bit on Eos because of to many unrelated side quests. Eladeen to me seemed to hit the right note (I also skipped the scan this thing at those ruins missions on this planet). The Water smuggler, Krogan, all of it played together well. I loved this aspect, if this continues great. 4.) More diverse Alien races (the Angara made total sense within the concept they had developed for the Heleus Cluster but I think we can be more diverse in the rest of Andromeda). Have some who are technologically advance but throw in one that is relatively primitive. Like I said ME:A did its job. It laid a pretty interesting foundation which opens itself to many different possibilities to move forward. Links: www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/03/25/mass-effect-andromedas-producer-talks-me-through-the-endings-loose-threads/#2eb240891671
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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 27, 2017 18:09:55 GMT
ME:A leaves several major issues unresolved:
1.) The Kett are still out there, they aren’t a big bad, but they are still an enemy. 2.) The Jardaan are still a mystery 3.) The aliens that created the scourge are an even bigger mystery. 4.) The mysterious benefactor is still shrouded in darkness. 5.) Mom’s alive but still a human popsicle 6.) You gave the Krogan a big bad device with some nasty potential 7.) You freed an artificial intelligence that has a homicidal streak. 8.) Knowledge about the Reapers.
I want to say this before I move on. The big comparison for me between ME1 and MEA is how they handled CERBERUS. The whole Ryder Family Memories quest line reminded me a lot of a certain Admiral in ME1 who sent me on a bunch of side missions only to get his ass murdered by a mysterious organization called Cerberus. Cerberus in ME1 was only mentioned in 4 or 5 side missions. And by ME2 it was a massive part of the series. I feel they are being trolled out very much the same way. We had the Ryder Family Memories quest, we had the hacker quest which mentioned Overlord and Cerberus, and the crazy quest on Kadara where the former Cerberus scientists were fucking with people’s brains. These things would make a new character wonder about Cerberus, and the experienced players remember them. If the Benefactor is Cerberus, than it makes sense they would keep a low profile at this point. The conspirators are likely hidden among the frozen colonists who haven’t been unthawed I am not sure if it will be a clone of the Illusive Man, unimaginative but would love to hear Martin Sheen’s voice OR he has another agent acting on his behalf (Addison would be an obvious one for me but that could just be because I hate her lol).
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Post by biowaor on Mar 27, 2017 18:44:05 GMT
Longtime lurker. Finished Sunday morning, 4 days of vacation + weekend well spent.
Insanity - 97% - 97 hours
Only missing a few tasks and some giant killer robots.
Loved the game. Thank you Bioware and Mass Effect team. Can't wait for story DLC and a sequel.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 27, 2017 20:49:57 GMT
I'm not including a spoiler tag as it is a spoiler post in a spoiler thread.From reading the last unlocked logs it seems they went with the Liara VI ending where we lost the Reaper war.There is also mention there has been no further communications from the Milky way.
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Post by SwobyJ on Mar 27, 2017 21:29:12 GMT
I'm not including a spoiler tag as it is a spoiler post in a spoiler thread.From reading the last unlocked logs it seems they went with the Liara VI ending where we lost the Reaper war.There is also mention there has been no further communications from the Milky way. Not necessarily.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 27, 2017 21:40:00 GMT
I'm not including a spoiler tag as it is a spoiler post in a spoiler thread.From reading the last unlocked logs it seems they went with the Liara VI ending where we lost the Reaper war.There is also mention there has been no further communications from the Milky way. Not necessarily. Please feel free to elaborate why instead of a non committal two word answer.
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Post by poekel on Mar 27, 2017 22:51:52 GMT
Please feel free to elaborate why instead of a non committal two word answer. It's quite simple: IIRC she mentions that the Crucible is not finished yet. So the message is clearly from before the ME3 ending. She also mentions that things look dire and that there won't be any of the known Milky Way races in the future. But that does not mean, that they went with any ending, as throughout the whole of ME3, things did look pretty bad and the characters pretty much knew that the odds were against them, so giving the information that any contact attempt from the AI might not be answered would be pretty sensible even with them having a chance of defeating the Reapers.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 27, 2017 23:58:10 GMT
Please feel free to elaborate why instead of a non committal two word answer. It's quite simple: IIRC she mentions that the Crucible is not finished yet. So the message is clearly from before the ME3 ending. She also mentions that things look dire and that there won't be any of the known Milky Way races in the future. But that does not mean, that they went with any ending, as throughout the whole of ME3, things did look pretty bad and the characters pretty much knew that the odds were against them, so giving the information that any contact attempt from the AI might not be answered would be pretty sensible even with them having a chance of defeating the Reapers. No further transmissions have been received after those initial ones,that tends to suggest there is noone left to send anything.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Mar 28, 2017 0:24:35 GMT
It's quite simple: IIRC she mentions that the Crucible is not finished yet. So the message is clearly from before the ME3 ending. She also mentions that things look dire and that there won't be any of the known Milky Way races in the future. But that does not mean, that they went with any ending, as throughout the whole of ME3, things did look pretty bad and the characters pretty much knew that the odds were against them, so giving the information that any contact attempt from the AI might not be answered would be pretty sensible even with them having a chance of defeating the Reapers. No further transmissions have been received after those initial ones,that tends to suggest there is noone left to send anything. Could also be because the Hyperion moved out of range for transmissions.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 28, 2017 0:25:44 GMT
It's quite simple: IIRC she mentions that the Crucible is not finished yet. So the message is clearly from before the ME3 ending. She also mentions that things look dire and that there won't be any of the known Milky Way races in the future. But that does not mean, that they went with any ending, as throughout the whole of ME3, things did look pretty bad and the characters pretty much knew that the odds were against them, so giving the information that any contact attempt from the AI might not be answered would be pretty sensible even with them having a chance of defeating the Reapers. No further transmissions have been received after those initial ones,that tends to suggest there is noone left to send anything. Or just the communication equipment on the Milky Way side got destroyed during the war. Or the Benefactor sabotaged the Nexus systems here so we can't receive messages. Or the Scourge is scrambling long range communication. Or they just haven't responded yet. Or a million other possible scenarios other than everyone being dead.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 0:30:43 GMT
yep, him. I mean I see why it would be better to keep it open but the "I wanna know everything!!!!!!" part of me really wants it to be confirmed I doubt it is the Illusive Man, considering Bioware said Cerberus wasn't involved with the project due to focusing on other things. I suspect the Benefactor is actually a group of individuals, sort of like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise. That's something Bioware hasn't done before in terms of villains. Now TIM may have been a member, but I don't think he was involved personally. In any event, the whole Benefactor plot screams sequel or maybe DLC to me so we'll know sooner or later. I'm glad that the fans predicted the real reason why the Andromeda Initiative was created, or at least the repurposed reason. I think it would be a lot better if it's NOT CERBERUS. It will make things more interesting trying to figure out who these people are. Create new mysteries instead of reusing the old ones.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 28, 2017 0:31:37 GMT
No further transmissions have been received after those initial ones,that tends to suggest there is noone left to send anything. Or just the communication equipment on the Milky Way side got destroyed during the war. Or the Benefactor sabotaged the Nexus systems here so we can't receive messages. Or the Scourge is scrambling long range communication. Or they just haven't responded yet. Or a million other possible scenarios other than everyone being dead. I would imagine 600 years is more than enough time to send a message on newly built equipment.The Scourge is blocking no communications as they got those initial ones no problem.What i find strange is why is there no quantum entanglement comms on the Nexus!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 28, 2017 0:37:07 GMT
Or just the communication equipment on the Milky Way side got destroyed during the war. Or the Benefactor sabotaged the Nexus systems here so we can't receive messages. Or the Scourge is scrambling long range communication. Or they just haven't responded yet. Or a million other possible scenarios other than everyone being dead. I would imagine 600 years is more than enough time to send a message on newly built equipment.The Scourge is blocking no communications as they got those initial ones no problem. Which suggests possible sabotage, since the Benefactor clearly does not want the Initiative to know the real reason for leaving for Andromeda, even murdering those who knew. Or they just haven't responded yet(not until they have a website that keeps track of choices up). Bioware is not going to choose a canon ending. That was pretty much the point of the new Mass Effect games taking place in Andromeda.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 28, 2017 1:11:47 GMT
I would imagine 600 years is more than enough time to send a message on newly built equipment.The Scourge is blocking no communications as they got those initial ones no problem. Which suggests possible sabotage, since the Benefactor clearly does not want the Initiative to know the real reason for leaving for Andromeda, even murdering those who knew. Or they just haven't responded yet(not until they have a website that keeps track of choices up). Bioware is not going to choose a canon ending. That was pretty much the point of the new Mass Effect games taking place in Andromeda. Right,the benifactor is able to sabotage all communications arrays and not one of the communication specialists have noticed anything wrong with their equipment.We likely will never get an answer to those types of questions,but at least i am trying to base it off of information given rather than baseless supposition.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 1:44:13 GMT
Copy and pasted from someone else however I think it's a pretty interesting take on who the benefactor could be. "I think the "Secret Benefactors" will turn out to be the KETT... Remember what Gian Garson said before she was killed. She started to feel that the transporting of 100,000 Humans as part of the Andromeda Initiative was something very sinister on part of the Benefactors. Cerberus would merely be doing this to save the human race from the impending Genocide of the Reapers. No Cerberus plan could warrant such foreboding and concern for the benefactor's plans in Andromeda. Alec Ryder (from one of his final logs) also says he fears for the true reason behind the benefactor's motives. And bear in mind that both Alec & Jian were already aware of the Reaper threat prior to leaving the Milky Way. Also, bear in mind that by the time that Gian Garson was assassinated, the illusive man and Cerberus would have been long destroyed from the ending events of Mass effect 3. However, The Kett would be the likely race with the most sinister reasons to want to ship a large number of the most sentient Milky Way races directly to them in the Andromeda Galaxy (to "Exalt" them - meaning to add their genetics to the to the Kett race to make themselves stronger - much like they are doing in Andromeda with the Angara - and have done with thousands of previous races). The reason they may have wanted to speed this process up is because they also found out about the imminent Reaper invasion and devised a way to orchestrate the shipment of the major Milky Way species to them - via the Andromeda Initiative. The Kett clearly have a massive presence across of most of Andromeda, (near the end of the game, you will see that the Archon discusses with one of his Ministers, that there are many "superiors" that are displeased with his progress of Exaltation in the Helius cluster - meaning that he is not by any means near the top of the hierarchy of the Kett race, and that it is much much larger) not just the Helius cluster regions where the game takes place, so their absence at that time doesn't necessarily reflect the fact that they hadn't planned their future presence there.? But then that implies they know about the Milky Way. Why not just go there then after the Reapers do their thing? I doubt it's the Kett. I bet the benefactor is with us on the Arks somewhere...waiting...whoever it may be.
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Post by DragonEffect on Mar 28, 2017 2:35:58 GMT
Copy and pasted from someone else however I think it's a pretty interesting take on who the benefactor could be. "I think the "Secret Benefactors" will turn out to be the KETT... Remember what Gian Garson said before she was killed. She started to feel that the transporting of 100,000 Humans as part of the Andromeda Initiative was something very sinister on part of the Benefactors. Cerberus would merely be doing this to save the human race from the impending Genocide of the Reapers. No Cerberus plan could warrant such foreboding and concern for the benefactor's plans in Andromeda. Alec Ryder (from one of his final logs) also says he fears for the true reason behind the benefactor's motives. And bear in mind that both Alec & Jian were already aware of the Reaper threat prior to leaving the Milky Way. Also, bear in mind that by the time that Gian Garson was assassinated, the illusive man and Cerberus would have been long destroyed from the ending events of Mass effect 3. However, The Kett would be the likely race with the most sinister reasons to want to ship a large number of the most sentient Milky Way races directly to them in the Andromeda Galaxy (to "Exalt" them - meaning to add their genetics to the to the Kett race to make themselves stronger - much like they are doing in Andromeda with the Angara - and have done with thousands of previous races). The reason they may have wanted to speed this process up is because they also found out about the imminent Reaper invasion and devised a way to orchestrate the shipment of the major Milky Way species to them - via the Andromeda Initiative. The Kett clearly have a massive presence across of most of Andromeda, (near the end of the game, you will see that the Archon discusses with one of his Ministers, that there are many "superiors" that are displeased with his progress of Exaltation in the Helius cluster - meaning that he is not by any means near the top of the hierarchy of the Kett race, and that it is much much larger) not just the Helius cluster regions where the game takes place, so their absence at that time doesn't necessarily reflect the fact that they hadn't planned their future presence there.? It might be possible for BW to make an ME:A 2 based on the existence of the Benefactors and their true intention for the Initiative. Maybe it could have future repeecussions for Ryder and her crew, as well as for the colonists who'll settle in Andromeda?
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Post by Gilsa on Mar 28, 2017 3:33:44 GMT
What were the differences in how the "deal" with the Primus played out in the ending? I forgot to watch for this during the final mission.
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Post by aionis on Mar 28, 2017 8:50:29 GMT
I think the ending for ME:A is the most exciting thing for me and makes me appreciate the journey to getting Meridian even more.
I now cannot wait for just...MORE. More kett. More of the Jardaan and other species
the arrival of the quarians, the benefactor They really have built a solid base for this new saga
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 9:28:46 GMT
Just finished the main story and... I actually really liked it. It was very satisfying. Seeing the work I'd put into the game pay back to kill the Archon.
Which is ironic because I didn't hate the archon as much as I feel I could've. He was a very underdeveloped villain imo. Why was he so obsessed with remnant?
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 9:33:36 GMT
Um, I'm a bit confused. Reading things here, it seems that you can elect Kesh as the Krogan Ambassador. I didn't get that option, I got Morda. When I suggested her (just to see their reaction), even Kesh laughed lol You can also put the resistance leader forward as the Ambassador. I didn't get that option, I just got the Moshae
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 9:34:34 GMT
Just finished, and honestly that ending was brilliant. Just as the character said in the game, it feels like we're finally at the beginning of a new adventure. There's so much more to come and I really cant wait for the sequel/s. I highly doubt they'll change main character since Mass Effect has generally been heavily character focused. It's more likely it'll work like the OT where you play the same character with the same ship across various new adventures. The only thing I want them to do differently this time is keep the same crew, but just add to it. I didnt like how ME2 basically created an entirely new crew and then did it again in ME3. If they keep the same crew in ME:A 2 then that gives them more chances to build upon characters. Plus, having romanced Vetra, I really want to see how that carries over to the following games. It'll be a cool experience. For now though, I'll happily await the DLC. I hope and think they will keep the same crew if they continue with Ryder. The crew is small enough where Bioware can add more characters without it becoming too big, there is no real variants with them that they have to worry about, and every character talks about how there is no place they would rather be than as a member of the Tempest crew. There are only a couple characters at most I can see not being a member next game if they continue with Ryder. God, I love this stupid space family so much now. I want my DLC. Like. Now.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 9:36:36 GMT
I would imagine 600 years is more than enough time to send a message on newly built equipment.The Scourge is blocking no communications as they got those initial ones no problem. Which suggests possible sabotage, since the Benefactor clearly does not want the Initiative to know the real reason for leaving for Andromeda, even murdering those who knew. Or they just haven't responded yet(not until they have a website that keeps track of choices up). Bioware is not going to choose a canon ending. That was pretty much the point of the new Mass Effect games taking place in Andromeda. I don't want them to either if I have to be perfectly honest. Unless they pull a Deus Ex move and give us the fourth 'purple ending' where we Destroyed the Reapers and no one died and we had a party at Anderson's apartment. Then I'm okay.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 28, 2017 13:46:06 GMT
Which suggests possible sabotage, since the Benefactor clearly does not want the Initiative to know the real reason for leaving for Andromeda, even murdering those who knew. Or they just haven't responded yet(not until they have a website that keeps track of choices up). Bioware is not going to choose a canon ending. That was pretty much the point of the new Mass Effect games taking place in Andromeda. Right,the benifactor is able to sabotage all communications arrays and not one of the communication specialists have noticed anything wrong with their equipment.We likely will never get an answer to those types of questions,but at least i am trying to base it off of information given rather than baseless supposition. Dude, there's no CANON ending. Get over it. How many times does Bioware have to come out and say that? Then people say the casual gamers need to carefully be spoon-fed with information. Geez.
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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 28, 2017 14:56:23 GMT
I was so dejected when the reviews rolled in on day one and were so poisonously negative. That has started to turn in the last few days. The latest reviews seem overwhelmingly positive as people actually play and finish the game. Even the professional reviews weren't overly negative, they pointed out some fair criticisms but still noted the game had a great story.
This game has laid a remarkable foundation with the Jardaan, the Scourge, the idea of exploration and SAM. SAM as a companion and as a story device is going to be fascinating because this is a unique an interesting way to approach AI.
So many stories yet to explore. So many parts of Andromeda to explore.
When we leave the artifical construct that is Heleus (life was created by the Jardaan) we could encounter a whole new set of races. Interesting moral delemas could arise like do be "uplift" primiative ones to help us like the Salarians once did with the Krogan. We could face the option to invade and conquer species for resources. Will we get into a war with the larger Kett empire or will we possibly be able to negotiate with the race, clearly the Archon was a zelot. Meridian gives them access to technology and defenses that likely will keep Heleus safe and could open up the larger galaxy.
Heleus was originally chosen because it was tightly packed and the lack of Mass Effect Relays would make further travel challenging. The new drives help but could Meridian give access to a new travel method to open up the galaxy.
Can't wait to explore more.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 28, 2017 18:35:25 GMT
Right,the benifactor is able to sabotage all communications arrays and not one of the communication specialists have noticed anything wrong with their equipment.We likely will never get an answer to those types of questions,but at least i am trying to base it off of information given rather than baseless supposition. Dude, there's no CANON ending. Get over it. How many times does Bioware have to come out and say that? Then people say the casual gamers need to carefully be spoon-fed with information. Geez. People like you think being overtly rude makes you look commanding and forceful,it doesn't, it makes you look like a prick.I was expressing an opinion to what i thought it leaned towards,besides we all know Bioware has never changed or retconned what they have said in the past,oh no towering paragons of truth,justice and hard boiled eggs.
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