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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 4:23:48 GMT
Simple answer, CDPR is far better a game developer than Bioware. Budget rarely translates into game quality (COD, DAI etc.) but talents and good attitudes does.
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Post by gamerbucket on Mar 28, 2017 4:46:30 GMT
I liked both games.
I don't really see the interest in comparing the 2? I played the Witcher 3 till it got repetitive and boring in Skyles or whatever it was called. I'll probably do the same with MAE.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 28, 2017 6:14:21 GMT
Simple answer, CDPR is far better a game developer than Bioware. Budget rarely translates into game quality (COD, DAI etc.) but talents and good attitudes does. The Witcher 3 was far from quality at release, so I guess they are the same after all. Unless you consider save game corruption to be a positive about a game. Of course the community will always go back and blame the person that has the problem by saying "you don't have enough saves" when it is CDPR game, but I am pretty sure if it was BioWare "how dare they, they don't know how to program" oh wait they do that. As far as attitude goes have you been to both locations to see what attitudes they have there, I really wish BioWare would get out of the "trying to make the fans happy" approach and give the finger to the people that do nothing but whine and complain because BioWare didn't write the game they expected them to.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 6:16:02 GMT
Simple answer, CDPR is far better a game developer than Bioware. Budget rarely translates into game quality (COD, DAI etc.) but talents and good attitudes does. The Witcher 3 was far from quality at release, so I guess they are the same after all. Unless you consider save game corruption to be a positive about a game. Of course the community will always go back and blame the person that has the problem by saying "you don't have enough saves" when it is CDPR game, but I am pretty sure if it was BioWare "how dare they, they don't know how to program" oh wait they do that. As far as attitude goes have you been to both locations to see what attitudes they have there, I really wish BioWare would get out of the "trying to make the fans happy" approach and give the finger to the people that do nothing but whine and complain because BioWare didn't write the game they expected them to. Whatever floats your boat, mate.
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Post by saitamat56 on Mar 28, 2017 6:25:46 GMT
To be Honest Witcher 3 has set the new standards for rpgs. Any 18+ rpgs made in the future will be compared with tht. Clearly Bioware and EA are bitting their nails and are way lower now compared to CDPR, Rockstar and Bethesda
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 6:33:37 GMT
I mean, Witcher III is about on the same level of quality anyway. For different reasons, certainly, but I really wish people would get over it and quit sucking CDPR's dick already.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 6:35:37 GMT
Paying whole other actor for Scott and rendering his model is really expensive. Plus they had a year dedicated to NMS like game but took it out as you said.
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Post by Kabraxal on Mar 28, 2017 6:59:42 GMT
I don't know. CDPR had more, once you break it down, to work with and yet still couldn't do anything more than put out a mediocre game. They need to learn from a good game developer at some point. Maybe they finally get it right with Cyberpunk.
But I'll just play more Andromeda and enjoy the better game even then. Yea, I do not like The Witcher franchise.... they have never been good games.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 28, 2017 7:08:26 GMT
I don't know. CDPR had more, once you break it down, to work with and yet still couldn't do anything more than put out a mediocre game. They need to learn from a good game developer at some point. Maybe they finally get it right with Cyberpunk. But I'll just play more Andromeda and enjoy the better game even then. Yea, I do not like The Witcher franchise.... they have never been good games. Well, the first one wasn't at least. I can tolerate the second one a bit more and the third one, to be fair, has some good stuff in it. I do think they are all overrated overall though. But you can't deny what they do right either, especially witcher 3 in the seamless open world department.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 28, 2017 7:44:30 GMT
OP, you are gonna get roasted by the white knights here
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 28, 2017 7:46:11 GMT
The witcher 3 is: Is stolen ideas that were costless to adapt (detective vision, sex scenes, etc..)STOLEN? wtf? do anyone owns a goddamn patent or COPYRIGHT FROM SEX? DETECTIVE VISION? you wot m8?
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 28, 2017 7:53:30 GMT
I think we should ban threads with words "Witcher" and "CDPR" for a month, to see if we miss any interesting discussions.
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Post by zaeedisking on Mar 28, 2017 7:55:56 GMT
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Post by Ancient on Mar 28, 2017 8:29:59 GMT
To be Honest Witcher 3 has set the new standards for rpgs. Any 18+ rpgs made in the future will be compared with tht. Clearly Bioware and EA are bitting their nails and are way lower now compared to CDPR, Rockstar and Bethesda You compare shi*ty Bethesda who destroys RPGs with CDPR!!?? OMG!?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 8:32:03 GMT
What happened? Poor leadership, lots of devs left during the development cycle and a junior crew working on the game.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 8:54:59 GMT
It's hilarious people think somehow game development in Poland is so much cheaper. Just the pure arrogance.
Quality job is expensive everywhere, not just in the USA. Get over yourselves. The people making The Wicher games aren't some unknown hacks. It's a very old company with deep roots in PC gaming, who before creating Witcher 3, made 2 amazing PC exclusive games.
The Witcher 3 is great because it was developed by a company with well built long standing infrastructure, lead by passionate gamers with clear vision on what they want to do. Is it really that surprising that a new EA studio filled with people who are mostly there to make a buck fails?
Stop finding excuses for western developers. How many times do we have to cut them slack?
Edit: To be fair I think Witcher 2 came out on xbox too, but with quite the delay.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 28, 2017 9:00:07 GMT
It's hilarious people think somehow game development in Poland is so much cheaper. Just the pure arrogance. It's got nothing to do arrogance, it's simple cost of living. Same way Switzerland is more expensive than France, for example. It's not saying they are less talented but that the money goes further allowing more hours for the same budget. It's why Apple gets all its phones made by child labour in Asia.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 28, 2017 9:26:10 GMT
Lol.
TW3's budget was around 300 million Zloty.
Had TW3 been developped in the USA, Canada or some Western European country, the budget would have to have been around 300 million dollars, especially considering a Polish programmer earns about 1/6th of a Western programmer.
That being said, TW3 is a boring game, Geralt's a cunt and the Witcher senses are ridiculous.
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Post by neoiceman on Mar 28, 2017 9:33:40 GMT
I... just can't imagine being this obsessed with something I dislike. Think of it this way: 1) I've been a longtime fan of Team Bioware. But lately, they've been signing a lot of fringe players, management is a mess, and ownership isn't spending money to put a good team on the field. 2) I still love Team Bioware, but I hate how awful the product has become for these reasons. 3) Now, unfortunately there's also fans of the team that don't care about the on-field product, and they keep buying season tickets, even though the team has no chance of making the playoffs. Sure, there's still some talent there, but overall, the team is nowhere near where it was during its glory years. 4) These same fans are pissed that I'm actually angry at the on-field product and would prefer I just go find another favorite team. 5) I'd rather voice my opinion and hope that enough of the fan-base uses their wallets to send management and ownership a message - fix your shit. And you know what? They're starting to listen."To everyone who has provided feedback...We are listening. Thanks for sticking with us. We are so lucky to have you." - Michael Gamble - Producer for Andromeda I think you and many other in these Forums are lying. First of all Mass Effect 2 was not the holy grail most of you here praise it for, it was much worse than Andromeda, the Story full of holes, exploring was not in it the most levels are only Tunnelshooterstyle, Equipment Customisation was not really possible and the Skillsystem was really fucked up. only the Characters are good worked on. Mass Effect Andromeda is much more an good Game, it is not what the most people wish for and thats why they are all unhappy with it, but the core of the game is really good, the Story has not many flaws and is good written. Charakters are good explained and every Crewmember has to tell something, not so steril as the old Normandys where every Crewmembers has its corner and not move out of it. Graphics are not high end but till the End High resolution Textures und really nice-looking worlds to explore. Skillsystem is something, at the beginning i had to become an feeling for it but yet it is real good and let you combo the shit out of your enemys The Battlesystem is not like ME1, thats more RPG Style, but its more fluid than the ME2 or ME3 system, Jetpack is awesome. And finally we get our Groundvehicle back, ok without weapons but i am fine with it, it climbs hills like an Muly and race thru plain lands like an wild steed. But it has real bad characteristics, most of the People look like dead inside and yeah i know but the animations are not really great more like an Animation designer first year internship try. And the Music is not that good to remember afterwards. After all the game is an solid 89/100 and if they have the will and work on the problems this game has the potential to reach an 94/100.
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 28, 2017 9:34:28 GMT
Can we please stop making these "TW3 vs recent BioWare game" threads for a while?
There's already more than enough salt and butthurt on this forum. No need to stir up more of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 9:37:02 GMT
Can we please stop making these "TW3 vs recent BioWare game" threads for a while? There's already more than enough salt and butthurt on this forum. No need to stir up more of it. It won't stop until Bioware makes a game that is universally loved again. Can they do that? Who knows. We'll just have to wait for the new IP or the next Dragon Age to find out.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 10:31:41 GMT
It's hilarious people think somehow game development in Poland is so much cheaper. Just the pure arrogance. It's got nothing to do arrogance, it's simple cost of living. Same way Switzerland is more expensive than France, for example. It's not saying they are less talented but that the money goes further allowing more hours for the same budget. It's why Apple gets all its phones made by child labour in Asia. Cost of living has nothing to do with it. Talent costs money and that's the bottom line. I live in a shit eastern european country where the wages are far lower than that of Poland and I can tell you that only junior devs work for cheap. Senior developers with a lot of experience take as much money as they do in the USA. Don't you wonder why so many companies outsource their tech support to eastern europe, but don't develop their games here? It's because it's not cheaper. Talented programmers here aren't some peasants you can hire for cheap, it's just the same as anywhere else.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 28, 2017 11:12:40 GMT
I get the feeling OP isn't very bright. A dummie.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 28, 2017 11:18:06 GMT
The witcher 3 is: Is stolen ideas that were costless to adapt (detective vision, sex scenes, etc..)STOLEN? wtf? do anyone owns a goddamn patent or COPYRIGHT FROM SEX? DETECTIVE VISION? you wot m8? Biodrones, there's someone that even said TW3 is mediocre, lmao. Flash news, you can like both, and not be butthurt over the other's success.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 28, 2017 11:21:27 GMT
Don't you wonder why so many companies outsource their tech support to eastern europe, but don't develop their games here? It's because it's not cheaper. Talented programmers here aren't some peasants you can hire for cheap, it's just the same as anywhere else. Of course it's cheaper, average wages are lower- as is the cost of living. It's not a badge of shame you know, nor an indication of how clever or not they are. We have a Warsaw office we send work too because the cost rate is significantly lower than our London office. That's just the way it is - get that chip off your shoulder.
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