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Post by wolfsite on Mar 28, 2017 11:23:20 GMT
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Post by lyvean on Mar 28, 2017 11:23:51 GMT
The Witcher 3's budget was a lot higher than that. And the difference was that CDPR had no timetable - whenever the game was done, they made their launch window. No publisher pressure. Different pressures on Bioware. A much more tighter deadline. Bioware clearly effed up in development somewhere which means they couldn't meet deadline. Yes, but it took Witcher 3 3.5 years to make, not 5. So MEA had more time anyway and they managed to produce less content, quantity and quality wise.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Mar 28, 2017 11:24:21 GMT
The witcher 3 was made for five dollars by a handful of slavs in a garage using only one pc.
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Post by lyvean on Mar 28, 2017 11:27:13 GMT
The witcher 3 was made for five dollars by a handful of slavs in a garage using only one pc. A Mac.
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 28, 2017 11:30:03 GMT
Don't you wonder why so many companies outsource their tech support to eastern europe, but don't develop their games here? It's because it's not cheaper. Talented programmers here aren't some peasants you can hire for cheap, it's just the same as anywhere else. I know for a fact that Guerilla developped chunks of Horizon Zero Dawn in China for precisely the reason of lower costs. Talented programmers in Eastern Europe make a lot more money than not so talented programmers in Eastern Europe. They make a really good living in Eastern Europe. But compared to Western developpers they make a lot less. I know quite a few people btw that work in Poland and Bulgaria. They do simple call center jobs there, for Dutch companies. They earn a Dutch minimum wage, or slightly above. But they can live really comfortable lives in those countries, because the Dutch minimum wage is more than the average Polish or Bulgarian person wage. They pay a lot less money for food, rent and other basis living expenses too, making their minimum Dutch wage in Poland or Bulgaria a really good salary.
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Post by Sumerian Physics on Mar 28, 2017 11:31:30 GMT
Am I only the only one who doesn't give a fuck about Geralt and his Medieval Arkham fantasy sex simulator?
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Post by Psychevore on Mar 28, 2017 11:34:28 GMT
OP, you are gonna get roasted by the white knights here White knights? So Bioware is a female being harassed by thirsty men and we're trying to save her?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:39:24 GMT
Should I care how much a game cost to make?
All I know is what I spent, on release: - 59/79/89€ for MEA, with no season pass (but certainly three 15$ DLCs and upcoming cosmetic 5$ DLCs) -- for what's an average game to me - 45€ for Witcher 3, with no DRM, (+ 30€ season pass) -- for one of the best gaming experience I had in the last 15 years
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 11:41:50 GMT
Should I care how much a game cost to make? All I know is what I spent, on release: - 59/79/89€ for MEA, with no season pass (but certainly three 15$ DLCs and upcoming cosmetic 5$ DLCs) -- for what's an average game to me - 45€ for Witcher 3, with no DRM, (+ 30€ season pass) -- for one of the best gaming experience I had in the last 15 years I got a 10€ discount on top of that, given I owned both TW1 &2 on GOG, so yup best gaming + pre-ordering experience in the last 20 years.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 28, 2017 11:42:21 GMT
The Witcher 3's budget was a lot higher than that. And the difference was that CDPR had no timetable - whenever the game was done, they made their launch window. No publisher pressure. Different pressures on Bioware. A much more tighter deadline. Bioware clearly effed up in development somewhere which means they couldn't meet deadline. Yes, but it took Witcher 3 3.5 years to make, not 5. So MEA had more time anyway and they managed to produce less content, quantity and quality wise. Remember in those first 3 years of development a slew of important people left Bioware?
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 11:46:04 GMT
Yes, but it took Witcher 3 3.5 years to make, not 5. So MEA had more time anyway and they managed to produce less content, quantity and quality wise. Remember in those first 3 years of development a slew of important people left Bioware? Remeber CDPR had to finish their in-house RED Engine 2.0 during the development of TW3? BW has DICE's frostbite, EA's marketing and distribution channel, more development time, larger fanbase yet complaining...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:46:09 GMT
OP, you are gonna get roasted by the white knights here It's BDL (Bioware Defense League), not white knights.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2017 11:55:46 GMT
Don't you wonder why so many companies outsource their tech support to eastern europe, but don't develop their games here? It's because it's not cheaper. Talented programmers here aren't some peasants you can hire for cheap, it's just the same as anywhere else. I know for a fact that Guerilla developped chunks of Horizon Zero Dawn in China for precisely the reason of lower costs. Talented programmers in Eastern Europe make a lot more money than not so talented programmers in Eastern Europe. They make a really good living in Eastern Europe. But compared to Western developpers they make a lot less. I know quite a few people btw that work in Poland and Bulgaria. They do simple call center jobs there, for Dutch companies. They earn a Dutch minimum wage, or slightly above. But they can live really comfortable lives in those countries, because the Dutch minimum wage is more than the average Polish or Bulgarian person wage. They pay a lot less money for food, rent and other basis living expenses too, making their minimum Dutch wage in Poland or Bulgaria a really good salary. Are you comparing call center jobs with AAA development? I will repeat myself, cost of living has nothing to do with it. Cost of living just means that 5k$ a month in Eastern Europe is a godly amount compared to what your average bloke is doing. It doesn't mean software developers work for less, it means they're considered pretty rich by most. I have a friend who works in a call center for 1k euro a month, I also have a friend who is a software developer with many years of experience, that makes 5 times that and that's not even close to what the top guys are making. I can't speak for China, but quality software development here is definitely not cheap. And if it was feasible, major publishers already would have opened a bunch of studios to hire these skilled software engineers for cheap.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 28, 2017 11:56:12 GMT
Remember in those first 3 years of development a slew of important people left Bioware? Remeber CDPR had to finish their in-house RED Engine 2.0 during the development of TW3? BW has DICE's frostbite, EA's marketing and distribution channel, more development time, larger fanbase yet complaining... I don't care. TW3, to me, is overrated. (Everyone has an opinion,) I finished the game because Ciri was badass. I was so disappointed her actually play time in the game was so small. There were plenty of expressionless faces in TW3, nobody seems to remember. As well as Geralt's monotone voice. But everyone screams "WITCHER 3 WITCHER 3." Yes, the graphics, music, and combat were great. Sidequests were drawwwwwwwwwwn out. With plenty of white women to bang. As a woman, I feel more compelled to play a Bioware game, because of inclusion, empowerment, and differing character relationships. Now, just for that sentence alone, I'm sure I'll get a "SJW!!!!!!" Outcry. Heaven forbid I give my opinion. These things like animations and bugs don't bother me as much as they bother other people. I play Bioware games for the immersion, story, and characters. TLDR; Comparing one developer to another is unfair. You don't know their processes, unless you actually work for them.
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 28, 2017 11:59:02 GMT
I think we should ban threads with words "Witcher" and "CDPR" for a month, to see if we miss any interesting discussions. such salt... here have a Witcher Screenshot
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 11:59:03 GMT
Remeber CDPR had to finish their in-house RED Engine 2.0 during the development of TW3? BW has DICE's frostbite, EA's marketing and distribution channel, more development time, larger fanbase yet complaining... I don't care. TW3, to me, is overrated. (Everyone has an opinion,) I finished the game because Ciri was badass. I was so disappointed her actually play time in the game was so small. There were plenty of expressionless faces in TW3, nobody seems to remember. As well as Geralt's monotone voice. But everyone screams "WITCHER 3 WITCHER 3." Yes, the graphics, music, and combat were great. Sidequests were drawwwwwwwwwwn out. With plenty of white women to bang. As a woman, I feel more compelled to play a Bioware game, because of inclusion, empowerment, and differing character relationships. Now, just for that sentence alone, I'm sure I'll get a "SJW!!!!!!" Outcry. Heaven forbid I give my opinion. These things like animations and bugs don't bother me as much as they bother other people. I play Bioware games for the immersion, story, and characters. TLDR; Comparing one developer to another is unfair. You don't know their processes, unless you actually work for them. Lol I don't care what you believe either. But the RPG market embraced TW3 as the greatest thing since sliced bread, so beat it.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 28, 2017 12:02:44 GMT
I don't care. TW3, to me, is overrated. (Everyone has an opinion,) I finished the game because Ciri was badass. I was so disappointed her actually play time in the game was so small. There were plenty of expressionless faces in TW3, nobody seems to remember. As well as Geralt's monotone voice. But everyone screams "WITCHER 3 WITCHER 3." Yes, the graphics, music, and combat were great. Sidequests were drawwwwwwwwwwn out. With plenty of white women to bang. As a woman, I feel more compelled to play a Bioware game, because of inclusion, empowerment, and differing character relationships. Now, just for that sentence alone, I'm sure I'll get a "SJW!!!!!!" Outcry. Heaven forbid I give my opinion. These things like animations and bugs don't bother me as much as they bother other people. I play Bioware games for the immersion, story, and characters. TLDR; Comparing one developer to another is unfair. You don't know their processes, unless you actually work for them. Lol I don't care what you believe either. But the RPG market embraced TW3 as the greatest thing since sliced bread, so beat it. K.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 12:06:32 GMT
I feel like trying to compare Witcher 3 to everything is a bad example. Witcher 3 was a great game, maybe more games should take it as an example, but it uses a completely different engine, lore and characters.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 12:07:38 GMT
I feel like trying to compare Witcher 3 to everything is a bad example. Witcher 3 was a great game, maybe more games should take it as an example, but it uses a completely different engine, lore and characters. So is MEA.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Mar 28, 2017 12:13:46 GMT
I feel like trying to compare Witcher 3 to everything is a bad example. Witcher 3 was a great game, maybe more games should take it as an example, but it uses a completely different engine, lore and characters. So is MEA. Read carefully. It is unfair to compare games with different development teams and different engines. If the Witcher 3 had been made BY BIOWARE and had FROSTBITE ENGINE, THEN comparison would be justified. But it's not. So..... The ONLY THING IN COMMON is that they are both RPGs.
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Post by roseofquartz on Mar 28, 2017 12:22:20 GMT
I feel like trying to compare Witcher 3 to everything is a bad example. Witcher 3 was a great game, maybe more games should take it as an example, but it uses a completely different engine, lore and characters. So is MEA. Witcher 3 does not use the frostbite engine, Witcher 3 follows an established lore that has had years worth of books and two previous games behind it, and Geralt is already a well established character, along with Yen, Triss, etc. While the Frostbite engine was used by the Dragon Age team, we have no way of knowing how many resources were 'transferable', so to speak. Andromeda has established lore, but the original trilogy focused very much on the Reapers/Protheans, which Bioware are obviously trying to move away from, so while the base (the basic tech, species, etc.) is the same as the original trilogy, you could almost consider Andromeda a new IP on its own. It's fine to say Bioware could've done this and that better, and yes, it's fine to say Witcher 3 handled certain aspects better (side quests for example), but trying to put Witcher 3 on this untouchable pedestal which Bioware should've CLEARLY been able to reach is not the answer when the playing field is not the same.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 12:26:40 GMT
Witcher 3 does not use the frostbite engine, Witcher 3 follows an established lore that has had years worth of books and two previous games behind it, and Geralt is already a well established character, along with Yen, Triss, etc. While the Frostbite engine was used by the Dragon Age team, we have no way of knowing how many resources were 'transferable', so to speak. Andromeda has established lore, but the original trilogy focused very much on the Reapers/Protheans, which Bioware are obviously trying to move away from, so while the base (the basic tech, species, etc.) is the same as the original trilogy, you could almost consider Andromeda a new IP on its own. It's fine to say Bioware could've done this and that better, and yes, it's fine to say Witcher 3 handled certain aspects better (side quests for example), but trying to put Witcher 3 on this untouchable pedestal which Bioware should've CLEARLY been able to reach is not the answer when the playing field is not the same. TW3 is totally touchable alright, and DRM-free, while the thing I never touch it is the 'great' MEA. I have assume EA got my order wrong.
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Post by smudgedhorizon on Mar 28, 2017 12:33:38 GMT
What went wrong? A large proportion of the "fan base" are arseholes.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 28, 2017 12:35:31 GMT
such salt... here have a Witcher Screenshot That before they had to do a massive visual downgrade to actually make it playable?
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Post by wolfsite on Mar 28, 2017 12:35:42 GMT
Personally never liked the Witcher games.
-Found the characters rather bland and unlikable (Only one character I really liked but they dumped her completely for the rest of the series aside for a DLC despite having a major role in a few endings of the original)
-Combat is boring and very repetitive in each game with no incentive to try any variety when the simple stuff seems to work best.
-The first game literally is "Fetch Quest the video game"
I played all three games and found all three games boring, never felt a connection with the main character, stories were "meh" and rather forgetable.
If you liked the game great, but to me it's just a bad game series. Playing them just makes me want to go play better RPG's like Wizardry, the original Fallout/Arcanum, or adventure RPG's like Quest for Glory.
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