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Post by Ancient on Mar 28, 2017 15:29:26 GMT
The witcher 3 is: 1500 people workiing in it with only 240 of them hired directly by the devs. So yeah they got their polish discount labour market. Full support from Poland that landed cheap loans which allow you to do a better job since your profit margin can be lower with less costy loans. Only 3 years of dev: Which means they put more money in TW3 than Ea in MEA. Fixed fees such as tlabour taxes, electricity, household, is tied to the time spent on a project. Is less costly story and chara design being adapted from a book. Is stolen ideas that were costless to adapt (detective vision, sex scenes, etc..) Is a BioWare game to its core with better press and budget (TW1 was made with NVN engine and all) linkThis is hilarious!? Those people didn't work for free! Also core team worked for 16 hours, for how long i don't know? Developing time was more then 3 years. W3 story is from the book, but only partly. And how do you know it's free? Nothing is stolen in W3! Btw, Bioware makes the most cliched stories. TW1 only use NVN engine, and that's it.
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Post by Serza on Mar 28, 2017 16:15:13 GMT
The witcher 3 is: 1500 people workiing in it with only 240 of them hired directly by the devs. So yeah they got their polish discount labour market. Full support from Poland that landed cheap loans which allow you to do a better job since your profit margin can be lower with less costy loans. Only 3 years of dev: Which means they put more money in TW3 than Ea in MEA. Fixed fees such as tlabour taxes, electricity, household, is tied to the time spent on a project. Is less costly story and chara design being adapted from a book. Is stolen ideas that were costless to adapt (detective vision, sex scenes, etc..) Is a BioWare game to its core with better press and budget (TW1 was made with NVN engine and all) linkThis is hilarious!? Those people didn't work for free! Also core team worked for 16 hours, for how long i don't know? Developing time was more then 3 years. W3 story is from the book, but only partly. And how do you know it's free? Nothing is stolen in W3! Btw, Bioware makes the most cliched stories. TW1 only use NVN engine, and that's it. A little test: Ahoj, jak se dneska máš? No, pokud tomuhle rozumíš, tak asi tušíš, jak to vypadá u nás ve střední Evropě. Věř mi, tak daleko od Polska fakt nebydlím. Je to úplně jinak než v Kanadě, kde sídlí konkurence. ...and if you understood, then maybe you know stuff after all.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 28, 2017 17:54:30 GMT
What was wrong with ME1 or ME2? Just keep building games on that scale and playtime and stick to a consistent dialogue system rather than 2 different ones (or sometimes 3), cut back on the total number of interactible NPCs for fewer but more memorable ones and keep it focused IMO. Open world is nice, we have that now. Now, let's go back to a slightly smaller scale where the "open worlds" are just sort of optional and the 10 or so main levels in the game are much more memorable in terms of content.
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Post by panzerwzh on Mar 28, 2017 19:16:52 GMT
What was wrong with ME1 or ME2? Just keep building games on that scale and playtime and stick to a consistent dialogue system rather than 2 different ones (or sometimes 3), cut back on the total number of interactible NPCs for fewer but more memorable ones and keep it focused IMO. Open world is nice, we have that now. Now, let's go back to a slightly smaller scale where the "open worlds" are just sort of optional and the 10 or so main levels in the game are much more memorable in terms of content. Because ME3 happened, so Milky Way sucks, too much artistic integrity.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 28, 2017 19:38:22 GMT
Just to answer the title: Polish programmers are cheaper than Canadian programmers? Seriously though, while I too am of the opinion that ME:A does not reach Witcher levels by a long shot, I think it's a fun game so far (I am far from finished, so I'll delay a final verdict). Estimating cost factors in software development is a tricky business. Unforeseeable problems can create all sorts of money and time sinks. It's a risky business.
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Post by Ancient on Mar 28, 2017 19:55:38 GMT
This is hilarious!? Those people didn't work for free! Also core team worked for 16 hours, for how long i don't know? Developing time was more then 3 years. W3 story is from the book, but only partly. And how do you know it's free? Nothing is stolen in W3! Btw, Bioware makes the most cliched stories. TW1 only use NVN engine, and that's it. A little test: Ahoj, jak se dneska máš? No, pokud tomuhle rozumíš, tak asi tušíš, jak to vypadá u nás ve střední Evropě. Věř mi, tak daleko od Polska fakt nebydlím. Je to úplně jinak než v Kanadě, kde sídlí konkurence. ...and if you understood, then maybe you know stuff after all. I'm not from Poland. I'm from Balkan, ex Yugoslavia
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Post by Serza on Mar 28, 2017 20:46:21 GMT
A little test: Ahoj, jak se dneska máš? No, pokud tomuhle rozumíš, tak asi tušíš, jak to vypadá u nás ve střední Evropě. Věř mi, tak daleko od Polska fakt nebydlím. Je to úplně jinak než v Kanadě, kde sídlí konkurence. ...and if you understood, then maybe you know stuff after all. I'm not from Poland. I'm from Balkan, ex Yugoslavia Different branch of Slavs, but I suppose you might not be that far. Certainly close enough to get the basic meaning, I guess. I know I can when reading Croatian. As for the local situation... hmm... I'm not sure how different it is down south.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 28, 2017 22:17:59 GMT
This is hilarious!? Those people didn't work for free! Also core team worked for 16 hours, for how long i don't know? Developing time was more then 3 years. W3 story is from the book, but only partly. And how do you know it's free? Nothing is stolen in W3! Btw, Bioware makes the most cliched stories. TW1 only use NVN engine, and that's it. A little test: Ahoj, jak se dneska máš? No, pokud tomuhle rozumíš, tak asi tušíš, jak to vypadá u nás ve střední Evropě. Věř mi, tak daleko od Polska fakt nebydlím. Je to úplně jinak než v Kanadě, kde sídlí konkurence. ...and if you understood, then maybe you know stuff after all. I see what you were trying to do, Serz, but... translate.google.com/
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 28, 2017 22:19:10 GMT
Also, Because of .. ..reasons...
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Post by Serza on Mar 28, 2017 22:19:12 GMT
Fine, next time I'll ask ye to translate that. Anything doesn't fit, I'll know it's a Google job.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Mar 28, 2017 22:20:03 GMT
A little test: Ahoj, jak se dneska máš? No, pokud tomuhle rozumíš, tak asi tušíš, jak to vypadá u nás ve střední Evropě. Věř mi, tak daleko od Polska fakt nebydlím. Je to úplně jinak než v Kanadě, kde sídlí konkurence. ...and if you understood, then maybe you know stuff after all. I see what you were trying to do, Serz, but... translate.google.com/ Is this right? Hi, how are you today? Well, if you understand this one so you can sense about what it looks like with us in Central Europe. Believe me, so far from Poland really do not live. It's completely different than in Canada, where the competition is based.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Mar 29, 2017 21:45:47 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. They left the sinking ship basically. All the main guys that gave us the original Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are gone.
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 30, 2017 11:42:22 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. They left the sinking ship basically. All the main guys that gave us the original Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are gone. I'm not seeing that, considering that parts of ME2 and ME3 showed the same problem areas as MEA. Apart from a general inefficiency in production (see below), I think the main problem is their current ME project lead has no idea of what makes up a good story, good characters and good worldbuilding, and he basically can't write anything but the most generic crap. So the people who know their stuff delivered decent content, but it remained isolated, while the people who had to learn had no help at all from the top. Also, the different parts and aspects of the game don't come together as a whole as well as they should. It's like in this North German saying: the fish stinks from the head. I don't have any insight into TW3's development process, but it's clear they were way more efficient in their production than Bioware Montreal, or even Bioware Edmonton when they made DAI. I have no idea why. I also think they *may* have had less political ballast, but that doesn't necessarily impact the quality of your games.
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 1, 2017 11:38:17 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. They left the sinking ship basically. All the main guys that gave us the original Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are gone. Nah. Patrick Weekes is still there and his writing is oustanding. Trespasser is better than any other DLC Bioware has released. You can't compare Bioware to CDPR because their company structure is completely different with one having their own revenue stream via GOG and not beholden to any huge publisher like Bioware is to EA. TW3 also came out on 3 platforms versus DA:I's 5 platforms. The old gen systems definitely forced them to compromise their vision and then you factor in their first Frostbite game versus CDPR developing their own engine....you can see how problems were created.
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Post by Serza on Apr 2, 2017 7:33:39 GMT
Is this right? Hi, how are you today? Well, if you understand this one so you can sense about what it looks like with us in Central Europe. Believe me, so far from Poland really do not live. It's completely different than in Canada, where the competition is based. Speciest bosh'tet.
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Post by DOOMSLAYER on Apr 2, 2017 15:26:58 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. Nah. Patrick Weekes is still there and his writing is oustanding. True, but who else is still there? I can't think of any other major name.
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Post by masterwarderz on Apr 6, 2017 17:21:05 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. They left the sinking ship basically. All the main guys that gave us the original Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are gone. Nah. Patrick Weekes is still there and his writing is oustanding. I didn't like how he wrote his book tbh
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Post by Melra on Apr 8, 2017 21:33:42 GMT
They f*cked up big time and their reputation took probably even bigger hit than with DA2. They simply cannot be trusted to produce high quality products in same fashion as they used to, the name of the company is the same, but it seems that most of the key people have fled and the current staff aren't up to par or aren't given the time/means to produce same level of quality as in the past.
It's bit sad to see, but there just doesn't seem to be a real way around it. I am sure some more capable company will take their place in time.
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Post by kraidy on Apr 8, 2017 21:55:16 GMT
Nah. Patrick Weekes is still there and his writing is oustanding. True, but who else is still there? I can't think of any other major name. Hack Walters. Like him or hate him, he's still a old Bioware employee.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 0:03:04 GMT
Ah I was starting to wonder if a "vs the Witcher 3" thread would ever crop up again. I'm thinking next we can compare the Witcher 3 to the success/lack thereof of the up-coming "Hello Kitty game", or Cooking Mama, or Pong, or Tabletop Monopoly, or Ouija or Skip Rope, or Kick the Can.
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Post by Melra on Apr 9, 2017 9:28:28 GMT
Ah I was starting to wonder if a "vs the Witcher 3" thread would ever crop up again. I'm thinking next we can compare the Witcher 3 to the success/lack thereof of the up-coming "Hello Kitty game", or Cooking Mama, or Pong, or Tabletop Monopoly, or Ouija or Skip Rope, or Kick the Can. Funny, except it is pretty valid comparison, both companies primarily make RPGs. Both companies have been expected to produce quality, but as of late one of them has been lacking quite badly in the recent years. Where as CD Projekt has been upping their game, if you want to do good in market while targeting the same audience you need to answer to that pressure accordingly or simply lose the audience. I used to rank BioWare at one point up there along with Blizzard as one of the two companies that produce games that I am pretty much guaranteed to enjoy and be mostly happy with the overall quality. Their games used to be safe purchases, nowadays I wouldn't buy a BioWare game unless it was in heavy discount or gotten really stellar reviews from reviewers I trust. In the past I didn't have to wait for either. People expected more and were disappointed, comparisons to a company and a product that did better are inevitable.
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Post by blindblack on Mar 4, 2018 0:40:47 GMT
Here's some comparison of wages in Poland. Sorry if I made mistakes in translation. c1.staticflickr.com/5/4700/39734987954_b974505276_o.pngSomeone stated that gamvedevelopers make more and it is true. In Poland 6k PLN is considered a lot if in compare majority makes 2k. But to say that its somehow very comparable wage to western wages I would not be sure of it. You could heard of opinions in glasdor some western workers wrote about CDPR they pay low (but it's from glassdoor so everyone could write it)
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Post by mybudgee on Mar 4, 2018 2:55:43 GMT
What went wrong is that talent has fled Bioware. They left the sinking ship basically. All the main guys that gave us the original Dragon Age, Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 are gone. Also, all integrity and decency in the Gaming industry is more-or-less dead. Gaming used to be about entertainment value, epic stories, good writing & providing a decent product for the money. Sadly today it's mostly all about Dude-bro MP shooters, MMOs/F2P/day-1 DLC, incomplete/broken products and price-gouging. There are a few companies out there with CEOs who aren't complete thieving bastards, but no more than a handful. It's a pathetic situation
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Post by cloud9 on Mar 4, 2018 4:51:07 GMT
i don't think it was "Downgraded" per se. I went back to observe the old E3 trailers and if I am not mistaken, the early build was running on an early version of the RED ENGINE mixed with the old Witcher 2 designs hence why it looked more "sharp" or "atmospheric" grey. CDPR may have changed artstyle/direction in the last minute although they have patched the PC version here and gave it more upgrades than the console like dust, wind, etc.. [one I screenshot above]. There are also countless ENB mods to mimic the original lighting of the E3 witcher since the vanilla one has saturated colours The downgrade is a real issue, the only different is that CDPR tackled it head on. Directly addressed it in next patch. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-05-19-cd-projekt-red-tackles-the-witcher-3-graphics-downgrade-issue-head-onWhile on the other side of our blue planet, this happened: That's really sad that BioWare is lazy that they don't want to put forth the effort to make ME3 their best game, and you get developers like Naughty Dog, CDPR, and even Telltale Games make better games with good story and character development better than BioWare. This shit is really sad.
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