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Post by razorblade12193 on Apr 6, 2017 22:49:13 GMT
Suvi is the most desirable character for males looking for a female in my opinion. I hate looking things up prior to gameplay so I began my playthrough as male Ryder naturally and became impatient waiting for a romance opportunity with Suvi. I then searched the internet for answers as to what needed to be done only to find that she is not available to male Ryder. This is extremely disappointing and I would pay for another whole copy of the game if Bioware made her available to male Ryder.
She's so much more appealing voice wise and is extremely cute when she dialogues about licking the rock. ❤
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 6, 2017 22:57:09 GMT
I really don't have dog in this fight, but I figure this is the best place to leave this. #MakeTheMakoBangable. My Scott wants to fill the tight space inside the Tempest's sweet, sweet airlock.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 6, 2017 23:23:20 GMT
I know how you feel. I wanted to bang Sera in DA:I too, but in the end she's Bi and I respect herrr-- BioWare for it... maybe.
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Post by Crim on Apr 6, 2017 23:29:08 GMT
I know how you feel. I wanted to bang Sera in DA:I too, but in the end she's Bi and I respect herrr-- BioWare for it... maybe. Most people want to kick her out, surprising.
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Post by Biodron on Apr 6, 2017 23:54:32 GMT
I think that with one of this troll thread is enough.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 7, 2017 0:01:21 GMT
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 0:42:47 GMT
The funny thing is, as everything points out Suvi was designed as another option for straight men and only 'locked' for women within last few months. Although her writer denied it, she couldn't say anything about the fact that official Prima guide accidentally showed that originally (as those guides are based on a little earlier build sent by developers) Suvi was romanceable by male Ryder: This also would explain why Suvi has no dialogue that would indicate she even likes women. For comparison, all the other non-bisexual romance options - Gil, Cora and Liam - tell you right away that they like men/women only. Meanwhile all she says to a guy hitting on her is "I prefer to keep it professional". Oh, and you wouldn't hear anything indicating what her sexuality is even when you romance her. But that also invalidates your point. Suvi most likely was just another, sixth option created for straight men. She was never written as a lesbian, there was apparently no lesbian character planned for this game at all. Perhaps at some point someone realized it would get them a lot of flak, or perhaps they were concerned how would it look like if Scott could bang all the women in Andromeda. So the remedy was artificially locking for women one of the female characters intended for Scott. Out of all options created for straight men (excluding the 2 flings that don't count as romances), Suvi had the most limited, tiny content. This seems to be the only reason why she was the one chosen as this pseudo "lesbian" option. Thanks for that insight. I'm not surprised Suvi's writer would lie to cover her tracks, but it is a little disappointing. Again, I'd just prefer if everybody had as many options as possible. The fact that Suvi's romance was such an afterthought, and then made a lesbian option just because BioWare likely forgot to provide one shows how utterly lazy it was in designing these characters. I'd still say BioWare should just open up all these characters to any gender. Especially with how limited the content is for some (lesbian-only and gay-only romances), it would actually be a benefit to provide these demographics with more options because BioWare did them such a disservice with the base game content.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 7, 2017 3:36:36 GMT
Forget making her bi, if Scott can channel James Bond from the Goldfinger novel, then he could make her straight. Lesbians in real life must love you, eh? Seriously, though, can the mods please clean up this thread?
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Post by RogueState on Apr 7, 2017 7:22:06 GMT
Can't tell if this is a troll thread or not. I really hope it is though because if it isn't, really? Uggghhhhhh! Kinda sad to read comments like this and realizing how square-minded so many people have become, at least in the context of being able to see and understand satire when one gets put infront of them with a huge exclamation marks and screaming "satire, irony and sarcasm inside!" Such a triggered society we live in... always willing to search and nitpick for even slightest reason to get offended and complain, yet unable to see an elephant in the room, even if multiple elephants are present... I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say here but I can assure you I was neither triggered or offended by your OP. I just completely disagree with everything you said in it!
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 8:29:05 GMT
Forget making her bi, if Scott can channel James Bond from the Goldfinger novel, then he could make her straight. Lesbians in real life must love you, eh? Seriously, though, can the mods please clean up this thread? And... what exactly there is to clean?
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Post by miso9 on Apr 7, 2017 11:57:54 GMT
The funny thing is, as everything points out Suvi was designed as another option for straight men and only 'locked' for women within last few months. Although her writer denied it, she couldn't say anything about the fact that official Prima guide accidentally showed that originally (as those guides are based on a little earlier build sent by developers) Suvi was romanceable by male Ryder: This also would explain why Suvi has no dialogue that would indicate she even likes women. For comparison, all the other non-bisexual romance options - Gil, Cora and Liam - tell you right away that they like men/women only. Meanwhile all she says to a guy hitting on her is "I prefer to keep it professional". Oh, and you wouldn't hear anything indicating what her sexuality is even when you romance her. But that also invalidates your point. Suvi most likely was just another, sixth option created for straight men. She was never written as a lesbian, there was apparently no lesbian character planned for this game at all. Perhaps at some point someone realized it would get them a lot of flak, or perhaps they were concerned how would it look like if Scott could bang all the women in Andromeda. So the remedy was artificially locking for women one of the female characters intended for Scott. Out of all options created for straight men (excluding the 2 flings that don't count as romances), Suvi had the most limited, tiny content. This seems to be the only reason why she was the one chosen as this pseudo "lesbian" option. Thanks for that insight. I'm not surprised Suvi's writer would lie to cover her tracks, but it is a little disappointing. Again, I'd just prefer if everybody had as many options as possible. The fact that Suvi's romance was such an afterthought, and then made a lesbian option just because BioWare likely forgot to provide one shows how utterly lazy it was in designing these characters. I'd still say BioWare should just open up all these characters to any gender. Especially with how limited the content is for some (lesbian-only and gay-only romances), it would actually be a benefit to provide these demographics with more options because BioWare did them such a disservice with the base game content. Just wanted to point out: I don't blame Suvi's writer if she didn't say the truth since she didn't make the decision what characters should be gay or straight. But there are rumors she fought to make Vetra (she's her writer as well) who was intended to be M/F only be available for F/F too, so it's reasonable to suspect she also had something to do with Suvi eventually ending up as F/F exclusive, since otherwise lesbians would have absolutely no representation in this game, and therefore this substitute is better than nothing. Besides, it was probably her bosses who told her to deny that Suvi was ever straight romance option so she couldn't do much about it. Many sources like the review from 2016 that recirculated on discussion boards after the release of MEA say that Bioware Montreal management is really problematic when it comes to the treatment of their employees. And as for making all romanceable character bi, DA2 had it (although one DLC character was straight-only), people complained it's unrealistic, that they're "player-sexual" (indeed besides Isabela who was already in DAO and already established as bisexual all the other characters seemed to be straight-by-default), and so the argument behind having in following ME3 (and later DAI) characters of defined orientation was to provide representation to minority groups. But from the start the focus was put on straight characters because everyone knows straight people really need representation, while gay men and lesbians were an afterthought. Traynor was basically designed as a little tease to straight men, there was more content in her interactions with male Shepard than female Shepard who romanced her. She also had the least content overall. Steve had the GAY(tm) cliche storyline and NO HOMO! romance scene. DAI was a bit better when it comes to this because the lead writer was a gay man. And now MEA, de facto regress compared even to ME3. Yet I don't think a come back to DA2 approach would make it much better. Look at Peebee. She was obviously from the start intended to be bisexual since all Asari are, but what is her same-sex content? They didn't even bother to make her same-sex romance scene right, that scene (which is the only sex scene lesbians got in entire game) is just reused straight sex scene with switched character model, and it just looks broken and ridiculous. They didn't care. And of course first thing she does when unromanced is quickly starting to drool over a male character. But hey, there is a same-sex backstory, she has crazy ex girlfriend! I'm no longer content with scraps. What Bioware is doing certainly doesn't look that impressive anymore when game from huge hit franchise like The Last of Us 2 is going to have fixed protagonist who's a lesbian.
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Post by sil on Apr 7, 2017 12:10:55 GMT
I really wish they'd make everyone playersexual, then we can forever banish all posts regarding character sexuality and just get back to thinking about the storyline.
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Post by davkar on Apr 7, 2017 12:18:45 GMT
As Suvi currently stands, it's actually more limiting for someone interested in f/f romance options, considering how lackluster her romance is. If everybody was bi, then f/f would have more options that are better developed and provide more content. This is less about straight male Ryder getting more options, and more about everybody getting more options. Cora and Peebee are two of the best romances, and obviously straight male Ryder has both of those. I'm not suggesting that just switching Suvi to bi will make her romance more compelling. I think additional dialogue would need to be incorporated in order to bring more value to her romance, considering it's lacking as it currently stands. I agree with you that the design of her character (and more so lack of content) is at fault. Her sexuality is just a gate and a limiter for those who may have wanted to pursue her. Truth be told, there was never any dedicated dialogue that I could see where Suvi ever suggested a preference one way or the other. She just outright rejects male Ryder for "professional reasons" and that's the end of it. The funny thing is, as everything points out Suvi was designed as another option for straight men and only 'locked' for women within last few months. Although her writer denied it, she couldn't say anything about the fact that official Prima guide accidentally showed that originally (as those guides are based on a little earlier build sent by developers) Suvi was romanceable by male Ryder: This also would explain why Suvi has no dialogue that would indicate she even likes women. For comparison, all the other non-bisexual romance options - Gil, Cora and Liam - tell you right away that they like men/women only. Meanwhile all she says to a guy hitting on her is "I prefer to keep it professional". Oh, and you wouldn't hear anything indicating what her sexuality is even when you romance her. But that also invalidates your point. Suvi most likely was just another, sixth option created for straight men. She was never written as a lesbian, there was apparently no lesbian character planned for this game at all. Perhaps at some point someone realized it would get them a lot of flak, or perhaps they were concerned how would it look like if Scott could bang all the women in Andromeda. So the remedy was artificially locking for women one of the female characters intended for Scott. Out of all options created for straight men (excluding the 2 flings that don't count as romances), Suvi had the most limited, tiny content. This seems to be the only reason why she was the one chosen as this pseudo "lesbian" option. Yay for representation but this is just stupid. From what I've seen of her romance and her ship/story involvement in my own pt it's not a great loss but after the 'has to make sense' argument I expected more than just flipping a coin 'writing'. What's next? Dr. Lexi was initially a both option but ND won a few rounds of rock-paper-scissors so she didn't have to record the romance lines?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 7, 2017 14:47:30 GMT
What's next? Dr. Lexi was initially a both option but ND won a few rounds of rock-paper-scissors so she didn't have to record the romance lines? Probably the biggest screw up in the game, it's right up there with ME3's "art", really. I don't think it's because Natalie Dormer was squeamish though. She's definitely done worse in Game of Thrones.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 15:58:49 GMT
Has anyone substituted Suvi in for Cora during the explicit scene with Scott for the cause?
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 7, 2017 16:35:18 GMT
Lesbians in real life must love you, eh? Seriously, though, can the mods please clean up this thread? And... what exactly there is to clean? The homophobia, for one.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 7, 2017 16:47:00 GMT
Has anyone substituted Suvi in for Cora during the explicit scene with Scott for the cause? I think you are trying too hard to get bait, this need to be more subtle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 16:54:30 GMT
Has anyone substituted Suvi in for Cora during the explicit scene with Scott for the cause? I think you are trying too hard to get bait, this need to be more subtle. This suggestion isn't to do with lewd personal enjoyment. Imagine if this were real. A simple frame and fixated gasp. #makesuvibi. It would fill volumes.
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Post by Mihura on Apr 7, 2017 17:08:12 GMT
I think you are trying too hard to get bait, this need to be more subtle. This suggestion isn't to do with lewd personal enjoyment. Imagine if this were real. A simple frame and fixated gasp. #makesuvibi. It would fill volumes. I highly doubt people would take the hashtag more seriously after that. it is actually a perfect set up for some high level discord.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 17:26:54 GMT
And... what exactly there is to clean? The homophobia, for one. oh, so now anything can be homophobia I guess.... typical. I would rather suggest starting with bigotry... which your posts clearly stink of....
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 7, 2017 17:37:40 GMT
oh, so now anything can be homophobia I guess.... typical. I would rather suggest starting with bigotry... which your posts clearly stink of.... Going on about how you want the one lesbian to be "turned" straight by your fictional self-insert in a way that is reminiscent of irl homophobia towards lesbians suddenly isn't homophobia because... how?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 7, 2017 17:53:15 GMT
Welp this thread's not getting any better.
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