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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 12:51:07 GMT
Can you imagine Casey Hudson as a surgeon?
CH: Ok so we've got 3 major options for your colitis surgery today and I really need to run through them with you because whichever one you pick is going to be vital to your life moving forward OK?
Patient: er, alright.
CH: So option 1. We take out some of your large intestine, make a stoma and give you this lovely blue stoma bag to wear over it.
Patient: Ok.
CH: Option 2. We take out some of your large intestine, make a stoma and give you this lovely green stoma bag to wear over it. That would be our personal choice here at BioWare hospital btw, You'll look great trust me.
Patient: What?
CH: Then we have option 3. We take out some of your large intestine, make a stoma and give you this lovely official minions stoma bag to wear over it. Now I know that's a lot of info to take in at once and I realise I've thrown a lot at you there but I know you've invested a lot of time in treatment and you're going to have to pick one.
Patient: How about f*** your crappy options?
CH: NOW YOU DIE!!!!!!!!!
Disclaimer: I'm sure Casey would make a great surgeon if he wanted to, I'm just pissing about. Please don't sue me I have no money.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 9, 2017 12:52:33 GMT
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 9, 2017 13:09:21 GMT
Look. I don't really think he fucked up the endings, to be honest. You mileage will vary. There's no may about it. He created an ending which kept people talking for FIVE YEARS. That is a sign of good writing. Not bad writing. Bad writing is like, hmmm? Wonder what Commando is doing now? WTF cares? Srsly? Why do they keep on making Alien movies? 'Cause the writing is THAT god damned good. Technically the writers of Deus Ex 1 created it. ME3 just color coded it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 9, 2017 13:30:06 GMT
Well, I just realized something funny about Casey Hudson and this whole situation. He's basically become Revan in an nutshell Savior, Conqueror, Hero, Villain, he was all things to everyone. And now, people here want to see him having gone from being the Sith Lord himself (aka everyone blaming him for ME3's ending) to the savior of our galaxy (returning for MEA2). Quote is from KOTOR for those who don't catch the reference Nupe, he's still a class A liar/salesman/douche.
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Post by lastpawn on Apr 9, 2017 13:47:30 GMT
This thread is a joke, right?
If you're going to pick ONE person for something that was a team effort, then Drew Karpyshyn was the guy who elevated Mass Effect to anything resembling greatness in the first place.
And Drew actually works for Bioware. They could, you know, ring him up and ask him to contribute. He said he'd be open to it. ME:A was OK, a decent product, but they had a chance to work with someone who elevated the original trilogy and decided not to do it.
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Post by KLGChaos on Apr 9, 2017 14:21:40 GMT
I give Hudson credit for all the work he did on the ME games, despite my hatred for ME3s ending.
He just had a very bad habit of making promises he couldn't keep, like saying the ending wouldn't be A, B or C and then having it be exactly that except with RGB.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 9, 2017 14:23:13 GMT
I think people cling to past employees to much. There's a reason they left whether they got fired or lost their passion to work for this franchise, bringing them back brings halfassed work that is unneeded. I also don't have any issues with Mass effects direction or vision (it's the closet thing to a ME game since one lol) but the writing team needs cleaned out.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 9, 2017 15:20:43 GMT
Does anyone remember Casey Hudson was the master author behind the RGB ending? He literally ripped off Fallout: Tactics. Tactics, introduced the Calculator, and the protaganist had to choose one of three endings: 1. Let General Barnaky merge with the Calculator and all mutated creatures are gone. 2. Let the Calculator die, destroying the robot army altogether. 3. Synthesis: You sacrifice yourself and become one with the Calculator and everyone wins.
Hudson couldn't keep on schedule and EA wanted a finished product. Starchild! Booyah! Sheez... It's all over anyway.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 9, 2017 15:21:47 GMT
People still talk about Ed Woods films. But not because they were any good. Some critics disagree about Ed Wood. I think it was Hoberman from the Village Voice who said "Bad films are boring. Whatever else you say about Ed Wood's films, they are not boring."
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Post by armass81 on Apr 9, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
You want him back now?
Didnt you all despise him after what he did with ME3s endings?
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Post by kaind on Apr 9, 2017 15:27:41 GMT
''We are just so disappointed with the players.''
- Casey Hudson 2012 at Party temple.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 15:37:48 GMT
No, Hudson wrote the ending of ME3, that shit ending, that insult to all of us, no way Drew Karpyshyn should come back False. He directed it. Mac wrote every word of it. Also, to other guys above, I never cared that much about the RGB endings. Yes, I was incredibly disappointed when I realized all 3 endings had the same cutscenes but to me I was never under the impression that my choices would seriously change the entire narrative but of course I hoped BioWare could work their magic... it's just that whenever they didn't I understood because I understood games enough back in 2012 to know that this wasn't all simple to do. What bothered me was simply the execution of the linear, underlying narrative. That's all that matters to me. The worst thing is not even that they ripped off Deus Ex for the choices but that they ripped off LOST's way of ending the story and they even ripped off the showrunner's lies and excuses. When asked about the ending in The Final Hours of ME3 and whether they knew the answers they didn't give regarding the Reapers Mac goes "Oh yeah, we know!" and you can just tell he's on the spot and really they had no idea. Casey then talks about how it was important to him that the endings weren't something you'd forget just like Damon Lindelof told a guy on The Verge "at least you remember being disappointed!" and he also talked about how the ending raised questions such as "Should we incorporate synthetics more and more into our bodies, and things like that." It's the story that made my shit boil - the part where they announce the meaning you should take away from the plot. It was also LOST that promoted the 2Deep4U kind of garbage that was popular. Remember, LOST ended in 2010, right around the time when ME3 started being made. The entire run of LOST probably gave Mac and Casey faith that "winging" an ongoing series would turn out fine and they were in the same boat as the LOST series creators who kept saying "We know the answers, we know where it's going" when behind the scenes that was BS. Casey kept saying throughout ME1 and ME2's promotions that they had a plan for the story. Here is Armando Troisi, the Cinematics Designer admitting openly that BioWare had no plan. The statement, denoument or wrap-up, whatever you call it, is Mac's writing... all of it except the Buzz Aldrin scene which I suspect Casey wrote. The plot does not die at the Buzz Aldrin scene, that was just tacked on for no reason other than to give you an impression of how vast the universe is both literally and the Mass Effect-verse, but it's the scene with the kid that destroyed the story with the "Organics and Synthetics" reasoning taking center stage in a story that wasn't about that, and as much as Casey were the guy who probably told Mac they had to make it more meaningful than the Crucible, the entire conversation with the Kid could have made sense to what the series had been about even when tackling a theme of organics and synthetics but Mac's script turned it into the worst possible thing it could've possibly been, because as with any other part of the story, whether it's the kid in the intro or Cerberus and Udina's coup, Mac was too obsessed with making it appear meaningful rather than putting proper reasoning into it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2017 16:04:52 GMT
Look. I don't really think he fucked up the endings, to be honest. You mileage will vary. There's no may about it. He created an ending which kept people talking for FIVE YEARS. That is a sign of good writing. Not bad writing. Bad writing is like, hmmm? Wonder what Commando is doing now? WTF cares? Srsly? Why do they keep on making Alien movies? 'Cause the writing is THAT god damned good. The original pre-DLC endings were awful. The Citadel and the Mass Effect relays are all pretty much destroyed in all 3 versions. The Normandy has crashed landed on a strange planet with your squadmates that were with Shepard in London suddenly on board with no explanation like how Liara and Javik were on board when I last saw them they were being blasted by Harbinger. The questions about what the various aliens that for all intense and purposes were stranded on Earth and what happens when turians and quarians ran out of food because they can't eat our food so they would starve. Not to mention the asari, salarians, and krogan stuck on a ravaged planet. The fleet that Shepard assembled is crippled at best and destroyed at worse. That is just off the top of my head. It would be like at end of The Return of Jedi all of the Rebels were stuck on Endor with no supplies and had no hope of escape. I know that both The Extended Cut and Leviathan DLCs are not perfect and some people have issues with them but for me they made the destroy ending at least tolerable.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 9, 2017 16:16:49 GMT
He destroyed the Trilogy's endings, he can stay where he is... in a very dark abyss. Now, if only Mac Walters would kindly join him...
Edit: Like, okay, he did the extended cut and all but it wasn't enough. High EMS Red Ending people deserved closure for their Shepard and never got it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 16:24:19 GMT
He destroyed the Trilogy's endings, he can stay where he is... in a very dark abyss. Now, if only Mac Walters would kindly join him... Edit: Like, okay, he did the extended cut and all but it wasn't enough. High EMS Red Ending people deserved closure for their Shepard and never got it. I'm just going to keep quoting people in this thread and insist to inform you that Mac is at least 50% of the reason why the endings sucked. The primary blame put on Casey is overblown just because he's the guy in the spotlight who lied about the endings being more satisfying than they were. At the end of the day they probably both knew it wasn't as amazing as they'd hoped to make it and they just had to ship it out the door with the soonest finalized cinematics and iterations of the endings when they entered the final crunch for polish between November and Feburary when the game went Gold. They had a few PR warnings shortly before release saying the endings wouldn't satisfy everyone. A sure sign of internal concerns, whether that was from Senior writers or QA testing so they totally knew it wasn't the best it could've been. Had Mac and Casey been more talented, and especially Mac, they might have made it work with the little time they had rather than spinning their story out of control by side-tracking it with an ending that didn't resound the themes properly
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 9, 2017 16:25:43 GMT
People wanted him fired and disgraced Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2017 16:29:12 GMT
People wanted him fired and disgraced Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy. Some creative people also move on for new challenges.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 9, 2017 16:33:28 GMT
People wanted him fired and disgraced Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy. I do agree, I think they didn't have enough experienced people working on the game instead of just being "overseers", but the problem is the fans chase away people too. I am pretty sure we only hear about a small fraction of what people who call themselves fans have done over the years to the people at BioWare and a few of them question why I even bother communicating with the community at times. One of the things that unfortunately I think has contributed to the problem overall is people just stop coming to places like this because they get tired of all the negativity towards BioWare, so when something happens that isn't perfect people will come to a place like this and rage over their grievances and there isn't a lot of people to shout them down. I have been seeing it more with Andromeda then prior Mass Effect games for there are enough people saying "the game is fine, it just wasn't perfect" and I think that voice is what needs to be heard more.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 16:36:23 GMT
Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy. Some creative people also move on for new challenges. And sometimes they're broken by crunch, unrealized dreams and an angry fanbase, making them leave 2010 2013
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Post by mrtijger on Apr 9, 2017 16:45:12 GMT
Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy. I do agree, I think they didn't have enough experienced people working on the game instead of just being "overseers", but the problem is the fans chase away people too. I am pretty sure we only hear about a small fraction of what people who call themselves fans have done over the years to the people at BioWare and a few of them question why I even bother communicating with the community at times. One of the things that unfortunately I think has contributed to the problem overall is people just stop coming to places like this because they get tired of all the negativity towards BioWare, so when something happens that isn't perfect people will come to a place like this and rage over their grievances and there isn't a lot of people to shout them down. I have been seeing it more with Andromeda then prior Mass Effect games for there are enough people saying "the game is fine, it just wasn't perfect" and I think that voice is what needs to be heard more. I'm one of the people who dont feel all that negative about either Bioware or MEA and I for one dont see any point engaging with the people here who complain endlessly, its a fairly small, loud, number and you see the same names in every topic. I mainly spend my time playing the game, if others dont enjoy it, too bad for them but no amount of ranting, shouting, insulting or trolling is going to bring back an imaginary past. Which it what it is, imaginary.
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 9, 2017 16:49:17 GMT
OP calling a bunch of people who are probably smarter and more accomplished than him morons is fucking ludicrous. Grow the fuck up. Your childhood isn't special and one day you'll be a big boy and realize that games aren't everything in the world. You goddamn dork.
Also, it's clear they had no idea where to take the story in the trilogy and despite announcing way, way back it would be a trilogy, the overall story of ME1 to 3 is a total mess.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 9, 2017 16:50:50 GMT
I do agree, I think they didn't have enough experienced people working on the game instead of just being "overseers", but the problem is the fans chase away people too. I am pretty sure we only hear about a small fraction of what people who call themselves fans have done over the years to the people at BioWare and a few of them question why I even bother communicating with the community at times. One of the things that unfortunately I think has contributed to the problem overall is people just stop coming to places like this because they get tired of all the negativity towards BioWare, so when something happens that isn't perfect people will come to a place like this and rage over their grievances and there isn't a lot of people to shout them down. I have been seeing it more with Andromeda then prior Mass Effect games for there are enough people saying "the game is fine, it just wasn't perfect" and I think that voice is what needs to be heard more. I'm one of the people who dont feel all that negative about either Bioware or MEA and I for one dont see any point engaging with the people here who complain endlessly, its a fairly small, loud, number and you see the same names in every topic. I mainly spend my time playing the game, if others dont enjoy it, too bad for them but no amount of ranting, shouting, insulting or trolling is going to bring back an imaginary past. Which it what it is, imaginary. A few of the more egregious mistakes deserve to be harped on till they are fixed but overall I agree that MEA isn't a bad game at all. Flawed, very much so at times, but not bad. You just need to keep in mind that internet forums aren't known for being a nexus of rainbows and sunshine and not let the negativity get you down. Every person is going to have their own thing they harp on and collectively that can look like a big sea of whining but I think you would find only the most ardent trolls would say the whole game is truly terrible.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 9, 2017 16:54:08 GMT
I just want Casey to stop working on HoloLens. It's not going to be a hit, you're wasting your time. Go develop more games you visionary man! BTW, Evil Chris made a slip up in 2013 and said that Casey was the one who said "It's not good enough. We have to do better." which made them begin making Extended Cut. I know they fucked it up by going the "clarification route" but at least he isn't like Mac who immediately resorts to excuses or discarding the criticism. Mac's first response to the endings were "It's just a vocal minority" and that was after Extended Cut and then he went on to go the whole "We're looking ahead" route which is Andromeda. He's the idiot who says "I love Mass Effect because you can tell any story in it from my favorite TV show to my fav book" to the one saying "I'm not gonna let Andromeda not be Mass Effect" as if he knows how to define something he's previously been incapable of. Whoever has the setting, tone and spirit of Mass Effect in the pawn of their hand it's not Mac. It's far more likely that even Patrick Weekes, Drew or Chris L'Etoile could start scribbling on a page and turn it into a true-to-form Mass Effect story. Considering Mac's contributions from the Shyamalanian children to militaristic banter of 3, to the dumbed down writing for Anderson and Udina and TIM to his Roland Emmerich-esque comics about Turian monks and people yelling "WHY. DON'T. YOU. DIE!?" to fucking this: That right here, is the rawest form of Mac Walters penmanship you will ever find in spoken language that isn't the Catalyst dialogue, Priority Earth or the intro to ME3 and you can just tell how bad it is even just by looking at the awkwardly paced prose. This makes me glad I never used the Genesis comics for any of the games. That is some clunky shit.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 9, 2017 16:56:20 GMT
I'm one of the people who dont feel all that negative about either Bioware or MEA and I for one dont see any point engaging with the people here who complain endlessly, its a fairly small, loud, number and you see the same names in every topic. I mainly spend my time playing the game, if others dont enjoy it, too bad for them but no amount of ranting, shouting, insulting or trolling is going to bring back an imaginary past. Which it what it is, imaginary. A few of the more egregious mistakes deserve to be harped on till they are fixed but overall I agree that MEA isn't a bad game at all. Flawed, very much so at times, but not bad. You just need to keep in mind that internet forums aren't known for being a nexus of rainbows and sunshine and not let the negativity get you down. Every person is going to have their own thing they harp on and collectively that can look like a big sea of whining but I think you would find only the most ardent trolls would say the whole game is truly terrible. A pattern I've noticed is that the harsher the tone the forums tend to have toward a game, the more I seem to actually like it. Maybe the universe is trying to tell me something.
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Post by derrame on Apr 9, 2017 16:58:14 GMT
nobody here wants another ending like the one from ME3, right? then forget Hudson
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