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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 11, 2017 8:29:53 GMT
BioWare definitely needs better writers ? Sure, but they already got good ones. I don't know who exactly is doing all those Story DLC's for SW:TOR, but some of them are REALLY GOOD, definitely much better than Andromeda main plot.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:02:04 GMT
Casey got blamed unfairly for the ME3 ending and I would gladly welcome him back. Mac Walters has more to do with it from what I've seen. and the fact Mac is the lead writer for Andromeda REALLY shows. What a bloody hack. Bioware needs to bring back the likes of Drew Karpyshyn or at least hire new writers who have a strong pedigree in sci-fi. He wasn't the lead writer for Andromeda, but ok! Drew is working for Bioware, but on Star Wars related projects.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:02:43 GMT
BioWare definitely needs better writers ? Sure, but they already got good ones. I don't know who exactly is doing all those Story DLC's for SW:TOR, but some of them are REALLY GOOD, definitely much better than Andromeda main plot. They got plenty of talent in the writing department, but most of them are working on Dragon Age, New IP and Star Wars stuff.
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Post by bladefist on Apr 11, 2017 13:53:03 GMT
Don't do it Casey!
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 11, 2017 14:08:50 GMT
Indeed, I simply don't think he is capable of a Project Lead position. If he is restricted to a Character Writer, I have absolutely no problem with him being around, he writes characters really really good. Everyone plays Bioware games for the characters, we all know this. However I don't exactly agree with his mindset of "Sacrifice story for more character stuff". A good balance between these things is, imo, crucial for an RPG. Walters reminds of Steven Moffat the current showrunner for Dr. Who he can write some great stories but his overall major plot arcs suck. Say what?? Bad Wolf? River Song? That crack in the universe with 11? Come on, those are amazing!
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Post by shermos on Apr 11, 2017 14:41:26 GMT
Casey got blamed unfairly for the ME3 ending and I would gladly welcome him back. Mac Walters has more to do with it from what I've seen. and the fact Mac is the lead writer for Andromeda REALLY shows. What a bloody hack. Bioware needs to bring back the likes of Drew Karpyshyn or at least hire new writers who have a strong pedigree in sci-fi. He wasn't the lead writer for Andromeda, but ok! Drew is working for Bioware, but on Star Wars related projects. You're splitting hairs. He's "creative director". That's corporate jargon for lead writer. And as for Drew, fair enough. I didn't realise he came back to do more Star Wars stuff.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 11, 2017 14:44:42 GMT
He wasn't the lead writer for Andromeda, but ok! Drew is working for Bioware, but on Star Wars related projects. You're splitting hairs. He's "creative director". That's corporate jargon for lead writer. And as for Drew, fair enough. I didn't realise he came back to do more Star Wars stuff. Yeah I thought Drew went to SWTOR during ME2's development, then later left BW all together. I did hear a rumor BW:Austin is working on a KOTOR revival, maybe he came back for that? I dunno.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 11, 2017 14:47:46 GMT
See fanbase this is what happens when you drive people away. You are missing Casey Hudson now aren't you fanbase? You are remembering how good the trilogy was aren't you? Well fanbase maybe you should have been nicer to the trilogy and you would not have driven it's best people away. Just imagine now if you hadn't driven the doctors away as well fanbase.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 11, 2017 14:52:48 GMT
See fanbase this is what happens when you drive people away. You are missing Casey Hudson now aren't you fanbase? You are remembering how good the trilogy was aren't you? Well fanbase maybe you should have been nicer to the trilogy and you would not have driven it's best people away. Just imagine now if you hadn't driven the doctors away as well fanbase. I get the feeling the doctors left more because of EA than the fans. And having Casey come back doesn't exactly seem like a majority opinion here. He, Mac, and BW deserved all the flack they took for ME3's ending. Besides MEA turned out fine without him, it is on par with most of what the OT offered. None of them match up story wise with ME1, but everything since then seems to be around the same level.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 14:55:40 GMT
You're splitting hairs. He's "creative director". That's corporate jargon for lead writer. And as for Drew, fair enough. I didn't realise he came back to do more Star Wars stuff. Yeah I thought Drew went to SWTOR during ME2's development, then later left BW all together. I did hear a rumor BW:Austin is working on a KOTOR revival, maybe he came back for that? I dunno. Yeah he worked on the last Swtor expansion aswell, which was very noticeable, and now he is working on a new game, which may be KotoR related. Good to have him back in Bioware.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 11, 2017 14:55:49 GMT
He wasn't the lead writer for Andromeda, but ok! Drew is working for Bioware, but on Star Wars related projects. You're splitting hairs. He's "creative director". That's corporate jargon for lead writer. And as for Drew, fair enough. I didn't realise he came back to do more Star Wars stuff. Creative directors are more than just that. Creative visuals, audio, art style, gameplay, etc etc. I'd find it hard to believe the dude is a lead writer if he's having to look out for various other elements. Story can be a part of it, but he's not getting away with that unless he's giving the other responsibility of his to others. in short, do we actually know what he was a part of in this game? Or are we just speculating?
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 11, 2017 14:59:14 GMT
See fanbase this is what happens when you drive people away. You are missing Casey Hudson now aren't you fanbase? You are remembering how good the trilogy was aren't you? Well fanbase maybe you should have been nicer to the trilogy and you would not have driven it's best people away. Just imagine now if you hadn't driven the doctors away as well fanbase. I get the feeling the doctors left more because of EA than the fans. And having Casey come back doesn't exactly seem like a majority opinion here. He, Mac, and BW deserved all the flack they took for ME3's ending. Besides MEA turned out fine without him, it is on par with most of what the OT offered. None of them match up story wise with ME1, but everything since then seems to be around the same level. I think there isn't a clear factor to why they left. Just saying EA is more responsible then the fans is something I disagree with for we don't know the men and therefore we don't know the story. Personally with how fans have treated other members of BioWare over the years I bet the doctors were getting the exact same treatment and if you get worn down by it you leave.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 11, 2017 15:00:09 GMT
See fanbase this is what happens when you drive people away. You are missing Casey Hudson now aren't you fanbase? You are remembering how good the trilogy was aren't you? Well fanbase maybe you should have been nicer to the trilogy and you would not have driven it's best people away. Just imagine now if you hadn't driven the doctors away as well fanbase. I get the feeling the doctors left more because of EA than the fans. And having Casey come back doesn't exactly seem like a majority opinion here. He, Mac, and BW deserved all the flack they took for ME3's ending. Besides MEA turned out fine without him, it is on par with most of what the OT offered. None of them match up story wise with ME1, but everything since then seems to be around the same level. Not so sure on the DRs you mention, but Hudson himself has had issues with the fans and commented on their negativity before, so I very well could see him go just cuz of us. I also know, unfortunately that there are fans who do send threats to developers and such, and I'm sure after 15+ years it gets tiring and wears out on you.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 11, 2017 15:05:53 GMT
I get the feeling the doctors left more because of EA than the fans. And having Casey come back doesn't exactly seem like a majority opinion here. He, Mac, and BW deserved all the flack they took for ME3's ending. Besides MEA turned out fine without him, it is on par with most of what the OT offered. None of them match up story wise with ME1, but everything since then seems to be around the same level. Not so sure on the DRs you mention, but Hudson himself has had issues with the fans and commented on their negativity before, so I very well could see him go just cuz of us. I also know, unfortunately that there are fans who do send threats to developers and such, and I'm sure after 15+ years it gets tiring and wears out on you. I'm sure it does. Need to have thick skin to be a game developer, at least one where your face is in the spotlight. I don't really remember a 'reason' why the doctors left, been a while so its kinda fuzzy. I just remember having the impression they weren't happy with EA. Casey, yeah I think the fan reaction to ME3 was just too much for him. In fairness the ending was really really bad. His purposeful 'misdirections' about the ending didn't do him any favors in the end and I think only made things worse ("it won't be a pick a, b, or c ending").
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 11, 2017 15:16:00 GMT
See fanbase this is what happens when you drive people away. You are missing Casey Hudson now aren't you fanbase? You are remembering how good the trilogy was aren't you? Well fanbase maybe you should have been nicer to the trilogy and you would not have driven it's best people away. Just imagine now if you hadn't driven the doctors away as well fanbase. I get the feeling the doctors left more because of EA than the fans. And having Casey come back doesn't exactly seem like a majority opinion here. He, Mac, and BW deserved all the flack they took for ME3's ending. Besides MEA turned out fine without him, it is on par with most of what the OT offered. None of them match up story wise with ME1, but everything since then seems to be around the same level. So you are saying they deserved constant harassment, insults, and death threats. Um no they didn't. Also I enjoy MEA well enough but it really doesn't measure up to the trilogy. The MET was super engaging through out. It is the most compelling trilogy of games I have ever played and alot of that had to do with the passion they were made with. Much of that passion came from the guy that was running the show who was Casey Hudson. Make no mistake this franchise was his baby. Like I said I still like MEA but at times it feels like it is a halfhearted ME game. Still would like to see a sequel but they need to up their game. Make the Kett more interesting and expand the next game outside of Helius. Also bioware needs to go back to the more linear gameplay of ME2 and ME3. The giant use of maps bioware has used in their last 2 games has yielded mixed results at best. I still think they could work for DA to a degree but ME is better off being linear but now I have gone off topic.
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Post by Sanunes on Apr 11, 2017 15:39:53 GMT
Not so sure on the DRs you mention, but Hudson himself has had issues with the fans and commented on their negativity before, so I very well could see him go just cuz of us. I also know, unfortunately that there are fans who do send threats to developers and such, and I'm sure after 15+ years it gets tiring and wears out on you. I'm sure it does. Need to have thick skin to be a game developer, at least one where your face in the spotlight. I don't really remember a 'reason' why the doctors left, been a while so its kinda fuzzy. I just remember having the impression they weren't happy with EA. Casey, yeah I think the fan reaction to ME3 was just too much for him. In fairness the ending was really really bad. His purposeful 'misdirections' about the ending didn't do him any favors in the end and I think only made things worse ("it won't be a pick a, b, or c ending"). Here is an interview from a few years ago with Greg Zeschuk. InterviewSome of it was EA for they weren't into "Being in a big company", but at the same time they said they wanted to move on.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 11, 2017 15:58:37 GMT
I'm sure it does. Need to have thick skin to be a game developer, at least one where your face in the spotlight. I don't really remember a 'reason' why the doctors left, been a while so its kinda fuzzy. I just remember having the impression they weren't happy with EA. Casey, yeah I think the fan reaction to ME3 was just too much for him. In fairness the ending was really really bad. His purposeful 'misdirections' about the ending didn't do him any favors in the end and I think only made things worse ("it won't be a pick a, b, or c ending"). Here is an interview from a few years ago with Greg Zeschuk. InterviewSome of it was EA for they weren't into "Being in a big company", but at the same time they said they wanted to move on. Interesting read, thanks. I always find it funny reading game developers complaining about angry fans. Like they are the only business in the world that has to deal with it, lol. Sorry I just don't feel particularly sorry for them. Everyone deals with people like this, from retail cashiers to mega corporation CEO's, they all deal with irate and often nonsensical customers. Just part of life unfortunately.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 11, 2017 16:04:29 GMT
Indeed, I simply don't think he is capable of a Project Lead position. If he is restricted to a Character Writer, I have absolutely no problem with him being around, he writes characters really really good. Everyone plays Bioware games for the characters, we all know this. However I don't exactly agree with his mindset of "Sacrifice story for more character stuff". A good balance between these things is, imo, crucial for an RPG. Walters reminds of Steven Moffat the current showrunner for Dr. Who he can write some great stories but his overall major plot arcs suck. Didn't Moffat leave Dr. Who to focus more on Sherlock?
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Post by goishen on Apr 11, 2017 18:07:00 GMT
Not so sure on the DRs you mention, but Hudson himself has had issues with the fans and commented on their negativity before, so I very well could see him go just cuz of us. I also know, unfortunately that there are fans who do send threats to developers and such, and I'm sure after 15+ years it gets tiring and wears out on you. I'm sure it does. Need to have thick skin to be a game developer, at least one where your face is in the spotlight. I don't really remember a 'reason' why the doctors left, been a while so its kinda fuzzy. I just remember having the impression they weren't happy with EA. Casey, yeah I think the fan reaction to ME3 was just too much for him. In fairness the ending was really really bad. His purposeful 'misdirections' about the ending didn't do him any favors in the end and I think only made things worse ("it won't be a pick a, b, or c ending"). Yeh, but You're also talking about the late 90's-early aughts. The time where Steam was just becoming a thing. The time where the internet was just becoming a thing. And gaming was going nuclear. I don't mean to say that people didn't mean those things that they said, they just used any new tools that they could find irresponsibly.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 12, 2017 14:03:33 GMT
Walters reminds of Steven Moffat the current showrunner for Dr. Who he can write some great stories but his overall major plot arcs suck. Didn't Moffat leave Dr. Who to focus more on Sherlock? Series 10 is his last season.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 12, 2017 14:12:21 GMT
Walters reminds of Steven Moffat the current showrunner for Dr. Who he can write some great stories but his overall major plot arcs suck. Say what?? Bad Wolf? River Song? That crack in the universe with 11? Come on, those are amazing! In the Dr. Who circles that I run in Moffat is not popular guy due to his season long plots and weak endings. And BTW Bad Wolf was by Russel T. Davis the showrunner before Moffat that helped bring Dr. Who back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2017 14:39:21 GMT
Casey Hudson @caseydhudson The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and BSN posters will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
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