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Post by decafhigh on Apr 9, 2017 17:02:12 GMT
A few of the more egregious mistakes deserve to be harped on till they are fixed but overall I agree that MEA isn't a bad game at all. Flawed, very much so at times, but not bad. You just need to keep in mind that internet forums aren't known for being a nexus of rainbows and sunshine and not let the negativity get you down. Every person is going to have their own thing they harp on and collectively that can look like a big sea of whining but I think you would find only the most ardent trolls would say the whole game is truly terrible. A pattern I've noticed is that the harsher the tone the forums tend to have toward a game, the more I seem to actually like it. Maybe the universe is trying to tell me something. Hehe I apply that same logic to game reviewers as well. I probably wouldn't even have bought MEA till I started hearing people harp on it. They all love ME2, I hated it. So I figured if they don't like MEA I just might.
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Post by kingmandu on Apr 9, 2017 17:05:26 GMT
A few of the more egregious mistakes deserve to be harped on till they are fixed but overall I agree that MEA isn't a bad game at all. Flawed, very much so at times, but not bad. You just need to keep in mind that internet forums aren't known for being a nexus of rainbows and sunshine and not let the negativity get you down. Every person is going to have their own thing they harp on and collectively that can look like a big sea of whining but I think you would find only the most ardent trolls would say the whole game is truly terrible. A pattern I've noticed is that the harsher the tone the forums tend to have toward a game, the more I seem to actually like it. Maybe the universe is trying to tell me something. Pretty much. If I trusted reviews, I would have never played Alpha Protocol multiple times and loved every second of it or played an embarrassing amount of Destiny, made tons of friends online and even hung out with some of them for dinner and drinks. Taking reviews or the majority's opinion as gospel is a sad, sad way to live life.
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Post by clips7 on Apr 9, 2017 17:21:21 GMT
Meh...I just remember a lot of folks calling for his head and saying ME3 was thee worst ending eva....now that folks are finding Andromeda to be mediocre on some level ( I haven't finished the game yet, so idk) they want this guy back as if these same people are somehow forgetting the backlash this guy received.
I've stated a million times that I thought the ending to the overall story was lacking and that the story touched upon theories in which pointed towards powerful entities responsible for all of creation, but the ending for me wasn't as bad as some made it. There was some potential and opportunity lost, but eh...I thought ME3 had a sense of urgency, dread, desperation and hopelessness all in one package and for folks to dismiss all of that for the endings is a bit ridiculous.
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 9, 2017 17:21:50 GMT
A few of the more egregious mistakes deserve to be harped on till they are fixed but overall I agree that MEA isn't a bad game at all. Flawed, very much so at times, but not bad. You just need to keep in mind that internet forums aren't known for being a nexus of rainbows and sunshine and not let the negativity get you down. Every person is going to have their own thing they harp on and collectively that can look like a big sea of whining but I think you would find only the most ardent trolls would say the whole game is truly terrible. A pattern I've noticed is that the harsher the tone the forums tend to have toward a game, the more I seem to actually like it. Maybe the universe is trying to tell me something. Yeah. I didn't wanna have to be the one to tell you this, but you have bad taste in games. Kidding.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 9, 2017 17:29:38 GMT
The damn fanbase ran him off in the first place but yeah I wish he was still running the show.
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Post by mrtijger on Apr 9, 2017 17:32:30 GMT
Meh...I just remember a lot of folks calling for his head and saying ME3 was thee worst ending eva....now that folks are finding Andromeda to be mediocre on some level ( I haven't finished the game yet, so idk) they want this guy back as if these same people are somehow forgetting the backlash this guy received. I've stated a million times that I thought the ending to the overall story was lacking and that the story touched upon theories in which pointed towards powerful entities responsible for all of creation, but the ending for me wasn't as bad as some made it. There was some potential and opportunity lost, but eh...I thought ME3 had a sense of urgency, dread, desperation and hopelessness all in one package and for folks to dismiss all of that for the endings is a bit ridiculous. It got to the level of "George Lucas ruined my childhood" idiocy and it does, for some, to this day. Yeah, it could have been better but it was a great game and the ending never mattered that much to me, its getting there that matters. Blaming individuals (or elevating others to Messianic proportions) is completely assinine but it seems to be a prevailing trend nowadays, I personally find it disgusting.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 9, 2017 17:33:51 GMT
Error. Constructive criticism not found. You expect too much. I'm all for Hudson coming back, but I think this is the wrong reason to ask about.
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Post by ryder911 on Apr 9, 2017 18:57:27 GMT
Why would he come back to EA when he is making double the money at Microsoft by working as chief creative head of Hololens studios? It's far more exciting than making same old rpg game lol
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Post by Iakus on Apr 9, 2017 19:01:23 GMT
Look. I don't really think he fucked up the endings, to be honest. You mileage will vary. There's no may about it. He created an ending which kept people talking for FIVE YEARS. That is a sign of good writing. Not bad writing. Bad writing is like, hmmm? Wonder what Commando is doing now? WTF cares? Srsly? Why do they keep on making Alien movies? 'Cause the writing is THAT god damned good. Technically the writers of Deus Ex 1 created it. ME3 just color coded it. Deus Ex 1 did it better too.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 9, 2017 19:03:56 GMT
Some creative people also move on for new challenges. And sometimes they're broken by crunch, unrealized dreams and an angry fanbase, making them leave 2010 2013
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Post by SKAR on Apr 9, 2017 19:06:11 GMT
Casey Hudson needs to stop sipping on fancy wine and do the job he was meant to do. BTW MEA is still a masterpiece. I think things would be better with him around.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 9, 2017 19:07:25 GMT
Technically the writers of Deus Ex 1 created it. ME3 just color coded it. Deus Ex 1 did it better too. It certainly makes more sense, the ending actually fits perfectly with the Deus Ex story. It just feels out of place when shoved into the end of ME's narrative though.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 9, 2017 19:08:45 GMT
And sometimes they're broken by crunch, unrealized dreams and an angry fanbase, making them leave 2010 2013
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 9, 2017 19:12:14 GMT
Meh...I just remember a lot of folks calling for his head and saying ME3 was thee worst ending eva....now that folks are finding Andromeda to be mediocre on some level ( I haven't finished the game yet, so idk) they want this guy back as if these same people are somehow forgetting the backlash this guy received. I've stated a million times that I thought the ending to the overall story was lacking and that the story touched upon theories in which pointed towards powerful entities responsible for all of creation, but the ending for me wasn't as bad as some made it. There was some potential and opportunity lost, but eh...I thought ME3 had a sense of urgency, dread, desperation and hopelessness all in one package and for folks to dismiss all of that for the endings is a bit ridiculous. I think Mass Effect 3 biggest problem is a lot of the story is locked behind DLC. When I was first playing through ME3 I was wondering "are they ever going to explain to Reaper's origin?" So I looked it up and well they do but you gotta buy the DLC. Yes the biggest mystery in the entire trilogy isn't part of the base game but instead, you got to hand EA/Bioware another $20 just to find out their origin. And that's just one DLC and all of them are similar to this. It feels like they put half the game behind a $20 DLC packs. I bet ME3 would have liked much more if that wasn't the case even with the botched ending.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Apr 9, 2017 19:13:11 GMT
Mac might want to look into getting a restraining order.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 9, 2017 19:15:31 GMT
Meh...I just remember a lot of folks calling for his head and saying ME3 was thee worst ending eva....now that folks are finding Andromeda to be mediocre on some level ( I haven't finished the game yet, so idk) they want this guy back as if these same people are somehow forgetting the backlash this guy received. I've stated a million times that I thought the ending to the overall story was lacking and that the story touched upon theories in which pointed towards powerful entities responsible for all of creation, but the ending for me wasn't as bad as some made it. There was some potential and opportunity lost, but eh...I thought ME3 had a sense of urgency, dread, desperation and hopelessness all in one package and for folks to dismiss all of that for the endings is a bit ridiculous. I think Mass Effect 3 biggest problem is a lot of the story is locked behind DLC. When I was first playing through ME3 I was wondering "are they ever going to explain to Reaper's origin?" So I looked it up and well they do but you gotta buy the DLC. Yes the biggest mystery in the entire trilogy isn't part of the base game but instead, you got to hand EA/Bioware another $20 just to find out their origin. And that's just one DLC and all of them are similar to this. It feels like they put half the game behind a $20 DLC packs. I bet ME3 would have liked much more if that wasn't the case even with the botched ending. Judging by how the overarching plot of the trilogy went, I'm willing to bet that there was no real set idea of the reapers' origins when the game first came out. I doubt that BioWare even worked out the reason behind their extermination cycle in ME1.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 9, 2017 19:25:14 GMT
Judging by how the overarching plot of the trilogy went, I'm willing to bet that there was no real set idea of the reapers' origins when the game first came out. I doubt that BioWare even worked out the reason behind their extermination cycle in ME1. I think they've outright admitted in the past that they didn't know where the trilogy was going but I'll have to see if I can find a quote to be sure. Requires a bit digging. Did find this article for anyone interested in reading about story ideas that were dropped like Shepard turning out to secretly have been an alien: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-19-ex-bioware-writer-discusses-dropped-ideas-for-mass-effect-trilogy-ending
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 9, 2017 19:27:12 GMT
That last picture is why I hated ME3 more than anything. Yes you can continue Shepard's legacy by replaying the same linear story missions over again the exact same way you did before.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 19:57:06 GMT
Casey Hudson needs to stop sipping on fancy wine and do the job he was meant to do. BTW MEA is still a masterpiece. I think things would be better with him around. I know it's just your verdict, but I can't even say that. I didn't even think ME3 was a "masterpiece" ending aside. I have seen and experienced much better - I just wanted more of ME2 with more of ME1. Instead I got less of ME2 and less of ME1 in a weird way.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
Some creative people also move on for new challenges. And sometimes they're broken by crunch, unrealized dreams and an angry fanbase, making them leave 2010 2013 True, but some people know when to say "I've told the story I set out to tell and there is nothing left to tell. Time to move on." While Hudson probably left due to any number of reasons from bad fan reaction to family responsibility to to just sheer exhaustion. That is not trying to negate his role in the endings to ME3 but to say that were other reasons besides the fans giving nothing but grief was most likely a huge factor in decision to leave but it might not been his only reason to leave. He might have left if the endings were great and the game was hailed by everyone and their brother as "the greatest game ever made".
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2017 22:27:08 GMT
Shortsighted people. Casey Hudson is a fantastic game developer and it was obvious that he leaving Bioware would hit the company hard. Although I didn't think it would that hard, in many ways MEA feels it was made my amateurs, not veterans from the trilogy. I do agree, I think they didn't have enough experienced people working on the game instead of just being "overseers", but the problem is the fans chase away people too. I am pretty sure we only hear about a small fraction of what people who call themselves fans have done over the years to the people at BioWare and a few of them question why I even bother communicating with the community at times. One of the things that unfortunately I think has contributed to the problem overall is people just stop coming to places like this because they get tired of all the negativity towards BioWare, so when something happens that isn't perfect people will come to a place like this and rage over their grievances and there isn't a lot of people to shout them down. I have been seeing it more with Andromeda then prior Mass Effect games for there are enough people saying "the game is fine, it just wasn't perfect" and I think that voice is what needs to be heard more. I don't believe in human perfection to begin with there is no such thing as a perfectly made game, (or movie, novel, comic, song, toy, government, person building, law, and so forth) never was and never will be. That is what happened to BioWare they got a reputation of being a company that made "perfect games" (and it can be argued to hell freezes over if any of their games are that great) that it set them so high up so that when they fell they fell they would fall hard and boy did they! It's what happening with Marvel Comics/Movies/TV Shows right now and I guarantee all of you it will happen with everybody new favorite developer CCPR in the future. The public view of games like The Witcher 3 being a "perfect game" that everyone has to try to copy it's success is only setting CCPR up for a major fall down somewhere the road. It may take years maybe even decades but one day it will happen. Don't say I didn't warn you. IMHO even if ME:A was as flawless as a game could be (which for the record it isn't) and was better than TW3 and FO4 in every conceivable way I still think the same critics and the so-called hardcore gamers/trolls would have still find several reasons to hate it because right now it's really cool to bash BioWare, their staff, their games, and their fans right now.
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Post by Liaras Stuffed Bra on Apr 9, 2017 23:33:48 GMT
Please come back to BioWare. Please. God, these morons are destroying your legacy. Please don't tell me that Mass Effect was a fuckup that placed it at eye level with Star Wars. Lore wise, storytelling wise, scientifically, just please god come back. Holy shit, someone made this into a thread?! God bless you. The difference a director makes...
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Post by armass81 on Apr 10, 2017 0:58:22 GMT
Yes it is rather unfortunate that the series was handed to Mac Walters... Likely the worst hands it could be in. Gotta love nepotism huh.
But I do agree yes, at one point if you make a game that is so close to perfect as it can be, you will likely never again achieve those heights. You will only begin to fall, or stay at a certain level, and some of your "fan(atic)s" will not like it. They will expect more of the same from you, which is nigh impossible to achieve. And then they will lament how at one time there was this certain game that was like "so good", "best of the series" etc and future instalments can not touch its height. Ive gone through that with Final Fantasy Series and Final Fantasy 6. That game was so good, no other game in the series can even touch its execution.
But at least the recent ME games arent a betrayal to me, at least not yet. Like FF13 was, *shivers*... that game.... and that piece of shit got 2 fucking sequels, which just got worse, I mean what the fuck? No instalment in that series has intrested me since number 10. It is dead to me, until they get their shit together, if ever. Since the company merged with Enix, ive not bought a single one of their games, save from Dragon Quest 8, which was actually pretty good.
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Post by sabu on Apr 10, 2017 2:30:43 GMT
the thing is though, the development of me1-3 was always in a hurry.never a lot of time due to eas schedule. Many problems along the way. THere is a good youtube vid describing the situation they were in. For that Casey always did an amazing job to hold the games togehter. His vision of the artdirection.music,atmosphere,story,pacing etc... was great.(up unitlt he ending ).Now imagine him in charge for me:a with a 5 year dev time ( instead of 2 as previous ) and 40mil budget instead of Mac who obviously was not up to the task. It would have been amazing i bet
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Post by alihou on Apr 10, 2017 2:46:47 GMT
Both Hudson and Walters deserve to be thrown out the airlock. I think they both did good things at the start, but they both messed up with ME3. Walters's direction with this game has not been good imo. He's out of touch.
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