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Post by Mark7 on May 13, 2017 21:52:49 GMT
It's funny how most pro-Dark Ritual players are completely fine with Kieran not appearing for those who didn't choose it, yet many anti-DR players rage and froth at the mouth that anyone has him at all  . I think is funny the reversal. This whole Thread purpose was to ask more contents for a non mandatory character(an user even suggested a what if DLC solely for his desires),which means more exclusive contents for DR players,which translate into other players having to pay money for contents they will not have....and why they should pay? |
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Post by Walter Black on May 13, 2017 23:38:38 GMT
It's funny how most pro-Dark Ritual players are completely fine with Kieran not appearing for those who didn't choose it, yet many anti-DR players rage and froth at the mouth that anyone has him at all . I think is funny the reversal. This whole Thread purpose was to ask more contents for a non mandatory character(an user even suggested a what if DLC solely for his desires),which means more exclusive contents for DR players,which translate into other players having to pay money for contents they will not have....and why they should pay? These games were made for multiple runs, characters, and choices to experience as much content as possible. If you use the playstyle every time (same class, same morality and faction allegiances, same romance) then you are already paying for content you'll never see. That's your choice. Those of us who chose otherwise would like to experience said content.
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Post by Mark7 on May 14, 2017 0:48:47 GMT
I think is funny the reversal. This whole Thread purpose was to ask more contents for a non mandatory character(an user even suggested a what if DLC solely for his desires),which means more exclusive contents for DR players,which translate into other players having to pay money for contents they will not have....and why they should pay? These games were made for multiple runs, characters, and choices to experience as much content as possible. If you use the playstyle every time (same class, same morality and faction allegiances, same romance) then you are already paying for content you'll never see. That's your choice. Those of us who chose otherwise would like to experience said content.
That's definetly not the case for the majority of players,who in fact play this kind of games (adventures)one single time rather than start all over again just to see minor changes,which in this case it even require to register an account to EA to use the Keep,not something majority of players do. Beside what does it mean this games were developed to be played this or that way? I play them whatever way I want that include play one single time. |
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Post by Prince on May 14, 2017 1:15:06 GMT
These games were made for multiple runs, characters, and choices to experience as much content as possible. If you use the playstyle every time (same class, same morality and faction allegiances, same romance) then you are already paying for content you'll never see. That's your choice. Those of us who chose otherwise would like to experience said content.
That's definetly not the case for the majority of players,who in fact play this kind of games (adventures)one single time rather than start all over again just to see minor changes,which in this case it even require to register an account to EA to use the Keep,not something majority of players do. Beside what does it mean this games were developed to be played this or that way? I play them whatever way I want that include play one single time. There is a proverb in Korea: seeing a thing a hundred times is not as good as seeing it one alone. That fit Adventure games. |
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 14, 2017 1:37:38 GMT
Well now that 'OGB Kieran' is gone and it's a choice between 'normal Kieran' and 'never existed', they could always do an npc cameo like Alistair, where he shows up if he was born and is replaced by a different npcs if he wasn't (as Alistair was replaced with Stroud when not a warden).
Probably best to not do it till he's an adult, which means not in dragon age 4 unless there's a big time jump between games. Cause in Inquisition he was like, what, 8? 10 maybe?
Couldn't be any more major then a companion. You couldn't make him a main protagonist, or a character upon which the whole plot hinges. I mean you could but it would be a really bad idea to do that with a character that might not exist when you could just do it with someone else.
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Post by indrexu on May 14, 2017 2:23:54 GMT
You couldn't make him a main protagonist, or a character upon which the whole plot hinges. I mean you could but it would be a really bad idea to do that with a character that might not exist when you could just do it with someone else. also it would be a bad idea because he's a dude and a dude only |
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Post by themikefest on May 14, 2017 2:45:24 GMT
If the game takes place far enough in the future, maybe he could be a companion. Don't know.
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Post by akiza on May 14, 2017 15:11:35 GMT
This character may not exist at all(which is my case as I had no intention to skip the duties of being a GW via DR)and even if it exist it has no reason whatsoever to be involved with anything.
If he will be forced for a cameo imho it will be very bad,like having Alistair in DA2\DAI for no reason whatsoever other than fan service.
He can't be an exclusive companion because that translate into exclusive contents that require the use of the DA keep which majority of players don't use.
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 14, 2017 15:30:42 GMT
This character may not exist at all(which is my case as I had no intention to skip the duties of being a GW via DR)and even if it exist it has no reason whatsoever to be involved with anything. If he will be forced for a cameo imho it will be very bad,like having Alistair in DA2\DAI for no reason whatsoever other than fan service. He can't be an exclusive companion because that translate into exclusive contents that require the use of the DA keep which majority of players don't use. Let them talk,at the end of the day the truth will remain the same. It will never happen because he is not mandatory so they will never committ much resources for a character that has 3 different states. 1)Non existent 2)Regular 3) ex OGB screwed They will never spend the resources to account for these 3 different states for an irrelevant character. |
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Post by raikas on May 14, 2017 17:00:21 GMT
I think is funny the reversal. This whole Thread purpose was to ask more contents for a non mandatory character(an user even suggested a what if DLC solely for his desires),which means more exclusive contents for DR players,which translate into other players having to pay money for contents they will not have....and why they should pay? I'm not in favour of having an optional character play a major role (just because I don't believe they'd dedicate the resources to them to do it well), but I'm fine with them showing up - it's a nice way to up replayability. With The Keep, it's not as though someone needs to play through the entirety of DAO (or for other things the entire series) to adjust their world state, so if missing out on content bothers someone they can just change it. And really, they've released stats that state that the vast majority of people who play the games play a warrior human, don't romance anyone, and don't even finish the game. By that standard elves, dwarves, quanari, mages, rogues, romance plots and endgames are things that most people are paying for without using. |
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Post by Aren on May 15, 2017 1:15:18 GMT
Tbh I've never understood the inclusion of the Human son of Morrigan and I think is kind of nosense. If she remained until Redclieffe with the group that means she was there for at least 11/12 months,and in this 11 months she never showed any sign of being pregnant....but despite that she had a son from the Warden in Wh? And there are people who are saying that the OGB is the magical son between the two..... If it is without a planification then there maybe a plot hole. The option I wanted to happen was ignored by the writers for tecnical issues in DAI,so I've used the Keep to remove said child from her forever. Had this subplot not being set on this illogical rails to conveniently kill the Warden off-screen I wouldn't have resorted to the use of the Keep. But it's either that or allow her to win on the custody of said child. |
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Post by formerfiend on May 15, 2017 9:11:26 GMT
Origins is incredibly vague regarding the passage of time, and offers a fair amount of freedom in terms of when quests can be accomplished - for instance I usually saved dealing with Flemeth for after the Landsmeet(along with the Warden's Keep and Return to Ostagar DLC's so I could have more content to enjoy with Loghain). She stops wanting to sleep with the Warden after dealing with Flemeth because she realizes that she's fallen in love with him at that point and is feeling tremendously conflicted about the whole thing, but still, it's not inconceivable(pun intended) that she conceived later on in the story but before the night at Redcliffe. There's nothing impossible about that. It's impossible(at least for the laws which reality is made of).The personal feeling of Morrigan's have nothing to do about what I was adressing,which even the other user admitted is a plot hole unless there is a carefully planification from the player part in regard of the romance to avoid it. The fact that the passage of time is vague doesn't change the fact that the blight is 1 year long and that Lothering happens at the beginning of that year,and if the Warden concieved this child right after Lothering there is no way that it had no effect for an entire year on Morrigan's body. That's why I've stated this "human child" seem more magical than the OGB. The assertion that you're making is that the human child could only be conceived right after Lothering. That is only the case if you romance Morrigan, sleep with her precisely once at the earliest opportunity, and never sleep with her again. Otherwise, the child could have been conceived at any point between first initiating the romance and Morrigan shutting off sex in the prelude to the dark ritual which takes place late in the game. So yes, for those individuals who romanced Morrigan, slept with her at the earliest possible convenience, and then never did it again, and produced a human child anyway, that is a plothole. Though I'd point out that if you romance anyone, after you sleep with them party dialogue and Wynne's meddling indicate that, whether you repeatedly take the option in camp or not, you're still sleeping with them fairly regularly. Seriously, am I missing something here? If you pick "human child" in the Keep and ask Morrigan about human Kieran, does Morrigan divulge exactly when and where the child was concieved and specifies that it was shortly after leaving Lothering? |
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Post by formerfiend on May 15, 2017 9:26:19 GMT
And for some people who didn't pick that choice it could still be a nice, "road not traveled" experience. Why I should be interested into playing something just for the sake of addressing an issue which I have resolved with a final solution in DAO? You find it nice I do not,I think it doesn't make sense.What Bioware did in DAI was shifting the plot line from a non mandatory character(the child)into a mandatory one(Flemeth/Solas) so now the problem is of DR players we don't have to share it just for the sake of......what exactly? I guess I'm just stuck looking at this from my own perspective and my own perspective happens to be one more open to "what if" scenarios than most others, apparently. Example; I've never once had Hawke side with the Templars and become Viscount of Kirkwall. That's one of the few choices in the first two games that I have never taken on any replay. Started a few games with the intent but never found the resolve to play to the end and actually get it done. But that doesn't mean I would be automatically uninterested in playing a hypothetical DLC that covered the year or so Hawke ruled Kirkwall. I think that could offer some interesting avenues for storytelling and I'd be open to giving it a playthrough to see "what if". I am of course speaking in hypotheticals and "what if's", even now as I fully admit that a hypothetical Future-Kieran based DLC wouldn't work given the direction the ended up going with it with Flemeth and Solas, unless, for example - and this is wild, nonsense speculation, not what I think would/should happen - after we murder the ever loving shit out of Solas, Urthemiel's soul reverts back to Kieran some how. I'm just saying that I'm open to playing DLC's that run with major decisions and explore the story implications of choices I did not personally take in game, and I assume that I'm not a singularly unique individual in that respect. It may not be the most widely marketable strategy in the world but I personally find it more appealing to play DLC that directly explores the consequences of our choices than I am of playing something like Jaws of Hakkon which I'm picking on because it really has nothing to do with anything and nothing we learn is of any particular consequence. |
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 15, 2017 10:09:20 GMT
He can't be an exclusive companion because that translate into exclusive contents that require the use of the DA keep which majority of players don't use. I'm not sure why that would stop Bioware doing that. I'm not even 100% sure it should. |
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Post by Hagoromo on May 15, 2017 13:00:38 GMT
It's impossible(at least for the laws which reality is made of).The personal feeling of Morrigan's have nothing to do about what I was adressing,which even the other user admitted is a plot hole unless there is a carefully planification from the player part in regard of the romance to avoid it. The fact that the passage of time is vague doesn't change the fact that the blight is 1 year long and that Lothering happens at the beginning of that year,and if the Warden concieved this child right after Lothering there is no way that it had no effect for an entire year on Morrigan's body. That's why I've stated this "human child" seem more magical than the OGB. The assertion that you're making is that the human child could only be conceived right after Lothering. That is only the case if you romance Morrigan, sleep with her precisely once at the earliest opportunity, and never sleep with her again. Otherwise, the child could have been conceived at any point between first initiating the romance and Morrigan shutting off sex in the prelude to the dark ritual which takes place late in the game. So yes, for those individuals who romanced Morrigan, slept with her at the earliest possible convenience, and then never did it again, and produced a human child anyway, that is a plothole. Though I'd point out that if you romance anyone, after you sleep with them party dialogue and Wynne's meddling indicate that, whether you repeatedly take the option in camp or not, you're still sleeping with them fairly regularly.The post is accurate but that bolded part is false. In first place Wynne never indicated anything like that she just make a reference to the relationships,and it depends on the player,the PC can't do anything wihtout the input of the player. |
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 15, 2017 13:12:20 GMT
He can't be an exclusive companion because that translate into exclusive contents that require the use of the DA keep which majority of players don't use. I'm not sure why that would stop Bioware doing that. I'm not even 100% sure it should. Bioware will not likely waste money over something optional to whom they already provided closure. The only reason as for why said character was in DAI was to finish his role for DR players,now that is closed Bioware has no reason to reinvest into a character which isn't involved with anything. And why they should waste money to develop optional characters for something they have already resolved? What's exactly the point in doing that? |
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 15, 2017 13:19:23 GMT
In first place Wynne never indicated anything like that she just make a reference to the relationships,and it depends on the player,the PC can't do anything wihtout the input of the player. is not just post Lothering but also the whole central part of the game when you are 6th months from the Landsmeet. If Morrigan got pregnant during this frame of time(which is possible as you can decided to romance her at first but then pick another romance) she would have been unable to make the Dark ritual anymore,so yea that's a plot hole that is there to not deviate from the plotline. |
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Post by Prince on May 15, 2017 13:37:57 GMT
He can't be an exclusive companion because that translate into exclusive contents that require the use of the DA keep which majority of players don't use. I'm not sure why that would stop Bioware doing that. I'm not even 100% sure it should. You guys are making it sound as if creating and coding a character is a simple matter for BioWare. Whenever they create a character with a cinematic scene(being it procedural or strictly cinematic)it cost them a lot of money. When they are doing that I bet their first thought is to make it available as mandatory for the game,otherwise there is no point in doing all those efforts if a great portion of people will never see it. Yes if they want(and if they have the money to do that) they can do everything including creating a whole separated game solely for the OGB.(which they didn't for obvious reasons of costs) The point is they will never do that,they will not commit such quantity of resources for something that doesn't even exist anymore. So unless one of you whis to personally found Bioware I don' see that ever happening. |
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Post by formerfiend on May 15, 2017 17:43:16 GMT
The assertion that you're making is that the human child could only be conceived right after Lothering. That is only the case if you romance Morrigan, sleep with her precisely once at the earliest opportunity, and never sleep with her again. Otherwise, the child could have been conceived at any point between first initiating the romance and Morrigan shutting off sex in the prelude to the dark ritual which takes place late in the game. So yes, for those individuals who romanced Morrigan, slept with her at the earliest possible convenience, and then never did it again, and produced a human child anyway, that is a plothole. Though I'd point out that if you romance anyone, after you sleep with them party dialogue and Wynne's meddling indicate that, whether you repeatedly take the option in camp or not, you're still sleeping with them fairly regularly.The post is accurate but that bolded part is false. In first place Wynne never indicated anything like that she just make a reference to the relationships,and it depends on the player,the PC can't do anything wihtout the input of the player. Granted it's been a few years since I've played Origins but I recall there being party banter that indicated regular sex with a romanced partner after sleeping together at least once. And plenty happens without the player's input. Characters make vague references to events that happen off camera all the time. Adventures they go on, travel that happens. In Origins specifically it's established that it can take weeks to travel back and forth across Ferelden but generally speaking you'll only see one night at camp per trip. Leliana's romance makes reference to her and the Warden keeping watch together, something we never actually see. Things like that. |
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Post by riverdaleswhiteflash on May 15, 2017 19:58:39 GMT
I'm not sure why that would stop Bioware doing that. I'm not even 100% sure it should. Bioware will not likely waste money over something optional to whom they already provided closure. The only reason as for why said character was in DAI was to finish his role for DR players,now that is closed Bioware has no reason to reinvest into a character which isn't involved with anything. And why they should waste money to develop optional characters for something they have already resolved? What's exactly the point in doing that? We still don't know what ultimately happens to Kieran himself. We don't know how having something that major removed from him will effect him, or how long-term that effect will be. Maybe making him a companion is a lot of effort (although I wouldn't object if they did go to that effort) but the plotline isn't quite as neatly resolved as you seem to think. I'm not sure why that would stop Bioware doing that. I'm not even 100% sure it should. You guys are making it sound as if creating and coding a character is a simple matter for BioWare. Whenever they create a character with a cinematic scene(being it procedural or strictly cinematic)it cost them a lot of money. When they are doing that I bet their first thought is to make it available as mandatory for the game,otherwise there is no point in doing all those efforts if a great portion of people will never see it. Yes if they want(and if they have the money to do that) they can do everything including creating a whole separated game solely for the OGB.(which they didn't for obvious reasons of costs) The point is they will never do that,they will not commit such quantity of resources for something that doesn't even exist anymore. So unless one of you whis to personally found Bioware I don' see that ever happening. Well, then maybe actually making a companion is a bit more effort than they'll go to. But we've seen them create different cinematics based on whether or not the DR happened in your worldstate already, and they even created a small area dedicated to Mythal that I didn't even see in my first playthrough due to doing the DR and giving Morrigan the Well. They might not be willing to go through the effort of creating an actual companion that you won't see if you did the US (though again: there's nothing actually stopping them, and I sure wouldn't object) but they're clearly willing to create a whole lot of content that you won't necessarily see most of if you go the "one playthrough" route. |
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Post by luketrevelyan on May 15, 2017 20:48:23 GMT
I always thought it would be cool if the DR choice came back to haunt us at some point, but that doesn't seem that likely at this point. When I played DAO the first time I stared at the screen forever trying to make that decision. At the time we didn't know what may happen in future games/expansions/etc but now it just seems like "why wouldn't you do the DR?" because there are no real negative consequences and everyone gets to live. So I hope there is still more to this, even if it doesn't involve Kieran directly.
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Post by Hagoromo on May 15, 2017 23:26:11 GMT
Granted it's been a few years since I've played Origins but I recall there being party banter that indicated regular sex with a romanced partner after sleeping together at least once. And plenty happens without the player's input. Characters make vague references to events that happen off camera all the time. Adventures they go on, travel that happens. In Origins specifically it's established that it can take weeks to travel back and forth across Ferelden but generally speaking you'll only see one night at camp per trip. Leliana's romance makes reference to her and the Warden keeping watch together, something we never actually see. Things like that. There is no mention of anything like that,all companions can be romanced without never having sex with any of them and the warden does nothing outside of player control,the character needs the input of the player to do that. I think this are just headcanons. The DA keep is able to fix all these plot holes,that's why the child can be removed without altering the romance,because that child cannot exist in the aforementioned scenario. |
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on May 15, 2017 23:36:32 GMT
Bioware will not likely waste money over something optional to whom they already provided closure. The only reason as for why said character was in DAI was to finish his role for DR players,now that is closed Bioware has no reason to reinvest into a character which isn't involved with anything. And why they should waste money to develop optional characters for something they have already resolved? What's exactly the point in doing that? We still don't know what ultimately happens to Kieran himself. We don't know how having something that major removed from him will effect him, or how long-term that effect will be. Maybe making him a companion is a lot of effort (although I wouldn't object if they did go to that effort) but the plotline isn't quite as neatly resolved as you seem to think. The child is irrelevant. It doesn't matter what effects the removal had for him,there is no point for BioWare to explore that even if it will make him crazy. Solas and Flemeth carry this plotline not the child,those two can be reused by BioWare not Kieran,who had no purpose in DAI beyond being a plot device. |
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Post by Prince on May 15, 2017 23:43:28 GMT
We wouldn't object if they did go to that effort) Whenever they create a character with a cinematic scene(being it procedural or strictly cinematic)it cost them a lot of money. When they are doing that I bet their first thought is to make it available as mandatory for the game,otherwise there is no point in doing all those efforts if a great portion of people will never see it. Yes if they want(and if they have the money to do that) they can do everything including creating a whole separated game solely for the OGB.(which they didn't for obvious reasons of costs) The point is they will never do that,they will not commit such quantity of resources for something that doesn't even exist anymore. So unless one of you whis to personally found Bioware I don' see that ever happening. Well, then maybe actually making a companion is a bit more effort than they'll go to. But we've seen them create different cinematics based on whether or not the DR happened in your worldstate already, and they even created a small area dedicated to Mythal that I didn't even see in my first playthrough due to doing the DR and giving Morrigan the Well. They might not be willing to go through the effort of creating an actual companion that you won't see if you did the US (though again: there's nothing actually stopping them, and I sure wouldn't object) but they're clearly willing to create a whole lot of content that you won't necessarily see most of if you go the "one playthrough" route. They were forced to create the fade scene for DR players to resolve the plotline,that's why they've created it,but now they have resolved it,there is no need to show said child(or even Morrigan for that matter)again,at best they can give different outcomes to Solas or Flemeth(maybe one where Solas win thanks to the Old god),but Kieran is not required to be in any future DA game,the powers he had now are of Solas.And No the US is just one of the variables that makes OGB non existent,there are other two endings that have the same effect,basically is 3 to 1. |
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Post by formerfiend on May 16, 2017 2:32:43 GMT
Party dialogue from Origins regarding romance and the implication of sexual activity there of;
Morrigan: The way you look at him so intently, so hungrily... one would think you have never seen a man before.
Leliana: Where I look is not your concern.
Morrigan: True enough. There is no way I can deny you this... but why would he choose you, when he could have me?
Leliana: You're confident, for a woman raised in a swamp, far from anything remotely resembling civilization.
Morrigan: And maybe that is my appeal? A woman like you, why, he could find in any city in Thedas. You think you are cultured? Worldly?
Morrigan: Powdered, perfumed, you ooze elegance, but what man wants a woman who lies limp beneath him, frozen in place by the thought that she might ruin her hair?
Leliana: So you're saying you're wild and uninhibited? I suppose he must like your shrieking, you sound like a genlock being murdered--a sweet, sweet sound to a Grey Warden.
Leliana: You should try a little harder next time he takes you. I don't think they heard you in the Anderfels.
Morrigan: Tsk, tsk, Leliana. Watch your jealousy, or you'll give yourself wrinkles.
Leliana: Get away from me, or I shall have to take drastic measures.
Morrigan: Resorting to violence. And here I thought you were civilized.
Zevran: I see your friendship with the Grey Warden is going very well.
Morrigan: As is yours.
Zevran: A-ha! Then you know?
Morrigan: I am not a fool, if you thought me one.
Zevran: I do not think you a fool, my lovely woman. We are not so dissimilar, after all. I know what you are doing.
Morrigan: And what is it that you think I am doing? Besides the Grey Warden that is.
Zevran: Biding your time, naturally. But for what, I wonder?
Morrigan: Why don't you ask him, if you're so curious.
Zevran: I doubt that he even knows. I am content to wait and see for myself, however.
Morrigan: Then don't bring it up again.
Oghren: So. With the boss, aye?
Alistair: Pardon?
Oghren: You and the boss. Rolling your oats.
Alistair: I don't know--
Oghren: Polishing the footstones.
Alistair: --what you're--
Oghren: Tapping the midnight still, if you will.
Alistair: What are you going on about?
Oghren: Forging the moaning statue. Bucking the forbidden horse. Donning the velvet hat.
Alistair: Are you just making these up right now?
Oghren: Nope. Been saving 'em.
Wynne: Alistair, may I have a word?
Alistair: Of course, anything for my favouritest mage ever. ("second favorite mage" if warden is a mage)
Wynne: It seems you and our fearless leader are inseparable these days. Joined at the hip, almost.
Alistair: That's a bit of an overstatement, don't you think?
Wynne: Well then, now that you're in an intimate relationship, you should learn about where babies really come from.
Alistair: Pardon?
Wynne: I know the Chantry says you dream about your babies and the good Fade spirits take them out of the Fade and leave them in your arms...but that's not true. Actually what happens is that when a girl and a boy really love each other --
Alistair: Andraste's flaming sword! I know where babies come from!
Wynne: Do you? Do you really?
Alistair: I certainly hope so.
Wynne: Oh, all right then. Aww, look, you're all red and mottled. How cute.
Alistair: You did that on purpose!
Wynne: Now, now Alistair, why would I do such a thing?
Alistair: Because you're wicked. That frail old lady act? I'm so not fooled. I'm on to you now.
Most of that is implication, innuendo, and euphemism. But sometimes they do straight up say "We're talking about how you treat her in bed."
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