Should Kieran play a major role in the next Dragon Age? (Spoiler)

I don't like those kind of metagaming cheats.

It may not be possible either way. The Keep has logic checks that prevent certain scenarios from being implemented if they can't actually work out in the game itself that way. If you have a male Warden that romances Morrigan, she WILL have a son regardless. The only time child is also the OGB is if you also went through with the DR.

You can use the Keep to "cheat" if you, for example, don't want to replay the entire game to change a single choice, but you can't use it to make choices that aren't possible in the game itself. People used mods to romance Alistair as a male Warden, but if you have a male Warden set in the Keep you can't pick Alistair as a romance choice.

Not at all. If Kieran is normal, Morrigan not only mentions his father but also says it is his parenting that makes Kieran a remarkable child.

Well, yeah. That's what happens when you sacrifice your Warden. He stays dead. I was referring to when you use Loghain as a meat shield.

There are no  problems for eliminating the child in the Keep without touching the romance since they'r not interconnected choices.
Those are all branches added by the developers later on under the requests of some users who wanted their choices to be imported in the keep

If the romance is activated in the Keep she makes a reference to it even if there is no baby (or if there is a normal Kieran) and there is a unique dialogue in the case of a scenario in whom she was romanced but also attacked in WH by her lover.

The original dialogue for this scenario  I doubt anyone here know it given the bugs that surround it.

I agree with the paragraph except for the last sentence as I do believe that Flemeth and Solas are more dangerous variables than Kieran,so an AD soul in their hands is a greater threat than it was when handeled by a kid.

I've heard some saying that the ritual in DAO was not selfish,It takes me nothing to prove with objective facts the contrary.

Let's try this.

Objective facts that we should all be able to agree on.
1) If an Old God soul is corrupted, it becomes an Archdemon.
2) The Body/Vessel of the Archdemon is Irrelevant. ( He'll just jump to another body,That's why the Grey Wardens do the Joining and sacrifice themselves)
3) One Blight per Archdemon.
2) = 4)Both body and the Old God's Soul/Spirit are corrupted,(If 2 is wrong, so is 4, so factcheck me.)
1) + 3) = 5) One Blight per Old God Soul corrupted.
6) Via sacrifice, the corrupted Old God's Soul (the Archdemon) is destroyed.
7) There are two Old Gods remaining.
8) + 3) = 8) There are up to two(max 3) Blights remaining.
9) If the Dark Ritual is done, the Old God soul survives in another Vessel/Body (baby).
3) + 1) + 9) = 10) There are up to three(or 4 depending on if you believe in the legends of the old god of the sea) Blights remaining.

No Dark Ritual = 8) There are up to two(max 3) Blights remaining.
Dark Ritual = 10) There are up to three(or four) Blights remaining.

These are all the objective facts from DAO,without taking Solas into the equation. The subjective ones modify 9 and 10 - "That soul won't be corrupted because..." why? Morrigan says so? You can believe or not believe her and given the calling of the old gods that darkspawns are able to sense I don't believe her. So that becomes subjective. All knowledge of what she intends to do with the baby, and what the baby can or cannot do is subjective because it is based on if we believe someone with bias (she wants it done) and a conflict of interest (with regards to informing you while wanting you to comply). The survival of the soul is objective. The fact that a corrupt old god is an archdemon is objective.

It's either a definite two Blights, or zero (?) to three Blights. The latter estimate depends on if you believe Morrigan and if you think she will succeed. If you believe her the number drops, if you think she (and the kid) succeeds the number drops. Which is entirely subjective. The question of if the Old God soul can even be corrupted while in the child is also an unknown. However, that the existance of such a soul means it can be corrupted. We know that it can in dragonform, we do not know it can't in kidform. Given that it can in another body, what basis do we have to say it can't in a different body?

The pragmatic decision (based on objective knowledge with no judgement of character) would be to refuse the Dark Ritual not to allow it for personal interests.

If those DR players want to prove that DR is not selfish they must prove that the AD soul cannot become an AD if it is into a human body,and e
then provide such proof in the timeline of DAO,and not from metaknowledge,and yes I do know that they will never be able to prove anything.

One of the strange parts about the DR was that despite the fact that it is the taint that the Warden passed onto the foetus that attracts the archdemon soul to it (along with the ritual itself that makes it by-pass the Warden to get there), apparently this taint does not affect it. This always seemed to me as slightly odd, surely the taint would corrupt in the same way as it does if it jumps to a darkspawn? In fact, over time would not the taint spread in the child's body? In any case, Morrigan either lied or did not know what she was talking about when she claimed the child would be unharmed by the ritual. It is perfectly clear that DR Kieran is very different to normal Kieran and had been having disturbing dreams until Flemeth took back the soul. Had Flemeth not done so, I wonder if the child would have ended up going crazy.

We have no idea about the effects of the removal either,just because the kid lost it that doesn't mean he isn't screwed anymore, I don't believe that human Kieran and OGB will ever be the same person even after the  events of DAI where the OGB lost  the former AD soul and became a more ordinary child,since what Flemeth did in DAI was as big of an alteration for his body as the Dark ritual itself.

For all we know he may suffer the consequences of the removal more than the effects of being an OGB, afterall this soul was part of his body and it determined part of his mindset and now it's gone.....it's kinda like removing an important part from a structure.

See....In adverse circumstances, actions that might have been rejected under other circumstances may become the best choice.
She doesn't have it anymore and the world-state romance wasn't touched,problem solved.
You just had to use your own power against your ex LI  like she did against you when she used the eluvian to hide the child.

It's a little bit of both.
He was screwed as an OGB because the soul forced onto his brain old memories that did not belonged to him,so he had many nightmares because of that so long as he was an OGB,once FLemeth removed it as she said the problem nightmares was solved.......however she didn't mentioned to him  the costs....others problems coming up as a result of the removal such as sense of lonliness and his body being altered once again at the level of the essence.

This is the story of the DR.

X=mortal
Y=OGB
Z=screwed of X

-Kieran was X but with the DR he was forced to become Y
-Then Flemeth altered Y to make him into Z. 
Z is a screwed version of X.

The  ritual had a clear unspoken risk. That Morrigan's intentions were not "pure" in the long-run or the Soul within Keiran would influence the boy into becoming something that's just as dangerous as an Archdemon. or worse that it could have failed and forced the creation of a second AD in Denerim.
Instead? Flemeth absorbs the Old god's soul and instantly the tension from the Dark Ritual is gone. As is the potential threat of a mage wielding the power of a tevinter god's soul and misusing it or causing more conflict from those who'd fear him.


Perhaps there's no way to have handled this arc in a way that would make "everyone happy". But how it's handled is clearly a disappointment and a waste of potential. What's wrong with exploring the butterfly effect of the Dark Ritual rather than essentially wasting  time?