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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:30:25 GMT
I didn't, which ones are you talking about? I didn't see any on the MEA Nexus. Hopefully some of the mod'ers will come up with some new presets for us too. Wish I knew how to do all that modelling work I would just make my own. This one is one of them. That's her! She's also the Orlais merchant in DAI in Skyhold. I love her cute voice!
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 16, 2017 18:31:27 GMT
I didn't, which ones are you talking about? I didn't see any on the MEA Nexus. Hopefully some of the mod'ers will come up with some new presets for us too. Wish I knew how to do all that modelling work I would just make my own. During the Turian murder trial you talk to the female witness where Addison is. She has curly purple hair. And the lady piloting the Nexus has a long ponytail. Ah okay, yeah I agree. Thought you meant custom hairs on the Nexus mod site. Temporary brain fart, I'm all caught up now.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Apr 16, 2017 18:50:08 GMT
You can't make your own character, not option enough to deviate from the head choices. See: Over used asian f!Ryder.
Funny thing, I planned to make an asian Ryder (named Mako), but had to drop my plans bc I refused to be a non asari clone.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2017 18:50:48 GMT
Obviously if they improve that's cool but it's just fine the way it is.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Apr 16, 2017 19:17:02 GMT
Well, not every preset does, but at least one has severely exaggerated skin, despite the overall shape of the face being extremely attractive. Other presets look just fine until Ryder has an emotional moment. Then he ages because crow feet become exaggerated. Also, in my experience, moving the brows/eyes leave a shadow under the brow. As long as they add the complexion bar, and you can air'brush away the skin problems (if you want to) the way it was done for females, the male presets themselves will be fine. After all, we are playing really young guys, before they fully mature, which is when males often have that boyish glow to them. I can live with explaining the roughness and acne away by the long cryo and hostile environmental conditions, but it does not impact the females, so it's odd. So, hoping the male skin will be the second issue on the cc correction list.... Just a little side note...I tried to make a black girl from preset #7 (I think she is prettier than the preset #8 that most folks really like). Her skin is really bad. It looks like those girls that cake makeup on to hide acne scars. I have no idea what happened in that particular face scan, but there is no way to fix that in CC. If you slide it to a paler color, you can really see how bad it is. This is why I am rolling with the female preset #5 right now. Her skin is freckled, which some folks might not like, but at least it looks healthy. Female presets #7 and #3 have really bad looking skin, imo. #6 has weird shadows that looks like she shaves or something. The skin texture needs revamped in many cases, I think. I made my character using #7 bc to me she was the ugliest, thus knew she wouldn't be used a lot in the fandom. Her skin looks awful at times, especially around the mouth. It's like sand paper. You think they'd at least test the presents, since there are few of them and you can't escape from their face/skin...
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Post by jjdani on Apr 16, 2017 19:22:22 GMT
Where do I start, the cc is definitely one of the worst cc's I've ever had to use. It feels like they made the cc so bad that you would want to play the defaults and this is the first time I actually considered it. The thing that annoys me the most about this cc business, is that they did the same thing with the trilogy in terms of the default. Default male shepard had good hd face textures and overall looked more realistic and was based off of a model. Custom presents looked more cartoony (even the female default compared to the male default) and the male complextions were all bad. Even the smoothest complextion still had dark circles, hyperpigmentation, lines etc and most of the noses and eyes looked really weird too. I did end up with a great looking shepard but again they always do this especially with the male presents.
I thought it would be different this time but nope, It's the same situation in andromeda but even worse. All the male presents have some sort of wrinkles, crows feet or dark circles or all 3 which doesn't make sense because ryder is suppose to be 22. Of couse not all 22 year olds have perfect skin but im 22 and people around my age don't typically show signs of aging yet. Not only that but alot of them also have weak jawlines, double chins, and turkey necks at least the female presents overall have better complextions. It's just really stupid and feels biased af because again, the male default looks the youngest, has the best complextion, has the lightest skintone, is based off of a model but yet all the custom presents look really average, old and some of them look straight up bad. I fail to believe they scanned faces of actual 22 year olds or ppl around that age. I don't mind unconventional, averge looking faces or unique facial features, but some variation would be nice. I also love a challenge, but I at least would like some better tools to work with.
For me cc is super important because im a completionist so I am easily gonna be spending most likely over 100+ hours doing missions, exploring, and having to look at my character in cutscenes since bioware games are full of them, so you can imagine how annoying it would be to have to stare at your character for that long and they dont look how you wanted. Despite that however, I did make a pretty good ryder but If only I could have made his skin smoother and his jawline sharper, I probably would have been totally satisfied but of course that's impossible atm. I primarily play on console although I do have a really good pc, I just prefer to play on a console and I don't really like using mods (the trilogy was the exception) but I think Im gonna have to when those mods start coming out because this cc is beyond terrible. and idk if a patch will be able to fix it.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 16, 2017 19:29:12 GMT
I promise, most feminists, and all female (and male) gamers I know absolutely do NOT agree with whatever fart got into Bioware's head about pretty female protagonists. Make the character that appeals to YOU, not to some artificial social construct.
Honestly, I think that claim is a scapegoat for their own shortcomings, whether it was resources or ineptitude.
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Post by henkiedepost on Apr 16, 2017 19:55:56 GMT
I never played a single campaign as an unaltered Shepard. My first campaign in Andromeda is with a defeault Scott Ryder. Unfortunately, that says enough about what I think about the CC. It does need a lot of work.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 16, 2017 21:42:27 GMT
It's so shit I'm not sure whether it would be more work to fix or to make a new one from scratch. Of course the obvious solution is to copy DAI's CC, that shouldn't be hard, it runs on the same engine.
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Post by Garo on Apr 16, 2017 21:48:41 GMT
It's a mess. It's worse than what trilogy had to offer.
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Post by Quickpaw on Apr 16, 2017 22:56:48 GMT
I think they made a bad move using face scans for their presets; it severely limited how much they could be tweaked.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 16, 2017 23:01:49 GMT
They could have at least not scanned malformed mutants.
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Post by vomder on Apr 16, 2017 23:52:17 GMT
They need to fire whoever was evolved with the CC and start over from scratch so it's not a piece of shit. Guys please, let's be nice... I can't read any critical subject without finding some with hunt here or there. Just like for the animations. But really, a game's fault are rarely one man's fault. Just like for the animations, there is this post on the forum where an animator is ranting because of what people are saying about his co-workers and at the same time shows what a great work animators do when they are given the possibility. Clearly the issue is a problem of resources and timetable management, and even then, we can't know exactly what problems the management had to face during the course of development. To close the question, where I do 100% blame BW/EA, is their pre-release review blocus strategy. The only explanation I have is that they are tweaking their PR to give the feeling they "play by the rules" (one can be informed pre-release through youtube or reddit from early access players, who probably are fanboys as they have to pay early access), while doing their best to ensure most people who don't try to actively inform themselves won't know anything (end of review blocus only one day before release, while most developers who play nice end the blocus 1 week before release). I am not excusing anything about the state of the game, just reminding that targeting someone in particular is unfair toward this person, and is anyway not the way to move on. Yep, the CC is terrible as it is (I think BW has already improvement of CC and hairs in the 2 months roadmap), I even think that the CC is the worst made by BW (since ME1) as you can just ajust a bit around the presets (which are mostly ugly). As for the hairs, they look like LEGO characters. Even without speaking of rebuilding from scratch, BW will have to do a major work to improve the CC to an acceptable level. If they can't accept criticism of their work, they have no business being where they are. Further if someone sucks at their job, they don't deserve to have it.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 17, 2017 1:52:44 GMT
Let's protest for a better character creator in DLC or patch. They can do it judging from what we've seen and Bioware needs to it their fullest attention. We need to be able to customize Alec Ryder more to OUR liking. We need to be able to choose nose, eyes, better hair, divide hair and facial hair color, better tattoos like the alliance logo, etc.
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Post by Teddie Sage on Apr 17, 2017 2:27:25 GMT
Kill it with fire and replace it with Dragon Age Inquisition's tools, plus better hair.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 17, 2017 3:47:36 GMT
Kill it with fire and replace it with Dragon Age Inquisition's tools, plus better hair. As much as I would love that, I'm not going to hold my breath. We'll see what they do, if the updates are great maybe I'll do another MEA run some day. Honestly I'm not expecting much other than a few token updates. Just amazing how bad the CC is, might as well not even have had one and just gave us presets to select from. Wouldn't have changed the fact all the faces look like they were ripped from TES:Oblivion and given hi-res textures, but at least they wouldn't have wasted development resources on it.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 17, 2017 4:45:17 GMT
Let's protest for a better character creator in DLC or patch. They can do it judging from what we've seen and Bioware needs to it their fullest attention. We need to be able to customize Alec Ryder more to OUR liking. We need to be able to choose nose, eyes, better hair, divide hair and facial hair color, better tattoos like the alliance logo, etc. There's no need, as they've already said that they're looking into making improvements. It would be best to see what happens in the next couple of months, no? This is one of the most common complaints, so I'm curious to see what they can truly do post-release.
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Post by Nayawk on Apr 17, 2017 7:46:18 GMT
I think with a few tweaks it could be fine. The inclusion of all skin tones across all presets and maybe the adding of a few more at the pale end of the spectrum.
I like the face scans and think they give a much better starting point as far as being able to make realistic/alive looking characters. DAI was a very involved CC but in the end every single Quizzy I've seen looked like a doll and they rarely sat well next to the companions/advisers. With MEA there isn't that jarring difference between the characters who have been given unique extra work (companions) and the PC.
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Post by atalante on Apr 17, 2017 16:33:59 GMT
Guys please, let's be nice... I can't read any critical subject without finding some with hunt here or there. Just like for the animations. But really, a game's fault are rarely one man's fault. Just like for the animations, there is this post on the forum where an animator is ranting because of what people are saying about his co-workers and at the same time shows what a great work animators do when they are given the possibility. Clearly the issue is a problem of resources and timetable management, and even then, we can't know exactly what problems the management had to face during the course of development. To close the question, where I do 100% blame BW/EA, is their pre-release review blocus strategy. The only explanation I have is that they are tweaking their PR to give the feeling they "play by the rules" (one can be informed pre-release through youtube or reddit from early access players, who probably are fanboys as they have to pay early access), while doing their best to ensure most people who don't try to actively inform themselves won't know anything (end of review blocus only one day before release, while most developers who play nice end the blocus 1 week before release). I am not excusing anything about the state of the game, just reminding that targeting someone in particular is unfair toward this person, and is anyway not the way to move on. Yep, the CC is terrible as it is (I think BW has already improvement of CC and hairs in the 2 months roadmap), I even think that the CC is the worst made by BW (since ME1) as you can just ajust a bit around the presets (which are mostly ugly). As for the hairs, they look like LEGO characters. Even without speaking of rebuilding from scratch, BW will have to do a major work to improve the CC to an acceptable level. If they can't accept criticism of their work, they have no business being where they are. Further if someone sucks at their job, they don't deserve to have it. Really I think I have not made myself clear enough... I am saying that people are starting a witch hunt, and most probably against the wrong people. Just like if you have a problem with a product, call the compagny, and scream after the poor girl on the phone as if she is the one responsible. Or in my job, when the floor is not cleaned well enough, people jerking after the lady doing it, while actually the real problem is that the subcontrator only give her 1 hour to do the whole building. Overall, I just feel sorry for the guy who worked at the CC or the animators taking the blame while I guess the problem was more one of management.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 17, 2017 16:48:37 GMT
In almost all games I play with character creation, I use the default. The way I look at it is I am born, or my character is born, with the appearance I have. In MET I always used the default Shepard, male or female. So I can't even comment on how good/bad the MET creator was.
Now we come to MEA and the absolutely AWFUL UGLY default characters, I had NO choice, there was NO way I was going to look at those ugly faces all game long.
I found it to be an ok experience. They needed more hair choices, both head and face, and may be a larger range of skin color.
What really PO'edd me was you couldn't save the appearance locally once you were done. All you could do was export it. Then you had to go to the EA site, which was not easy to find, and set which characters you could 'import.' Who came up with that bright idea?????
Oh well it's not like I am going to play this game through more then twice anyway, unlike the many times I played MET.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 16:50:21 GMT
Although I'm happy with my Ryder I suspect I got lucky. I can't see how I am going to be able to create another one I'm happy with. Definitely needs a severe overhaul.
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Post by Cannibal on Apr 17, 2017 16:56:58 GMT
I would like more customizing options, facial hair, tattoos, scars, stuff like that. I don't give two shits about making the perfect chin or eyelashes that are exactly 1.2365 mm long, waste of time and resources.
They can also clean up the faces a bit. Out of the two white faces for Male Ryder, one of them looks like they haven't cleaned their neck in years, nobody wants to play a character with neck acne.
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Post by ama93 on Apr 17, 2017 18:26:03 GMT
Why is it so hard to make the black Male Ryder not have a double chin or no neck? Do you know how hard it was to get my Ryder to have some semblance of a neck???
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Post by kino on Apr 17, 2017 18:28:15 GMT
Kudos for supplying an option for those of us who use the default character models.
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