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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 17, 2017 12:58:52 GMT
40 million dollars is actually a small budget for a triple A title. Dead Space 3 costed like 80 million dollars. GTAV costed over 100 million. Witcher 3 also cost over 80 million. The question is, why did Andromeda have such a small budget? Witcher 3 cost $80 including both expansions. Witcher 3 base game cost $32. n4g.com/news/1739556/the-witcher-3-cost-32m-to-make-35m-spent-on-marketingThe link in your post says the three year development cycle cost exceeded 120 million dollars and the marketing alone cost 35 million, so where did you get 32 million from? The guy who runs the game dev tumblr says the production budget of TW3 cost 65 million not counting marketing. Edit: So I searched on google and the CEO of CDPR himself says the total cost of development including marketing was $81 million. www.gamespot.com/articles/this-is-how-much-the-witcher-3-cost-to-make/1100-6430409/
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Post by Iakus on Apr 17, 2017 14:31:23 GMT
Can't have been the music - Bioware hired local DJ's to do it for them. Can't have been the voice acting cast - this time there weren't nearly as many hollywood actors taking roles compared to ME2 and ME3. What about animators? Nope - they outsourced half of those jobs to cheaper Romanian workers. What about the writers? Nope - most of the ones working on the OT already left the company. Newer writers wouldn't be able to command higher pay than their predecessors. Where could the majority of the resources have gone? Programming? Marketing? Sex scenes
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Post by Pyrceval78 on Apr 17, 2017 14:37:32 GMT
Ive decided that MEA was always just a clever ruse to get ME fans to repurchase the original trilogy games. Its a giant marketing trick to sell old games.
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Post by Civ on Apr 17, 2017 14:45:57 GMT
Marketing, voice actors, independent contractors (those steamy scenes!), and a mess load of content. Dinged on quality but produced mass quantity.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 17, 2017 15:01:59 GMT
One review gave the game 1/10 because they hate the gay and female romances. That's all you need to know about gamers reviewing MEA. Meanwhile Witcher has bad combat, a blind protagonist and was as buggy as a Bethesda game on PlayStation but it's considered one of the greatest games ever. Yes, I know. And Obsidian has never in their entire career delivered a game that was playable out of the box, beginning to end, dropped support for their games, etc, ad they are still the best ever game company, and it was never their fault. To be fair to Obsidian their last couple of games (Pillars of Eternity and Tyranny) have been a lot less buggy out the gate than your typical Obsidian game. So maybe they're getting better
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Post by suikoden on Apr 17, 2017 18:20:48 GMT
Maybe... it's because I'm a huge fan of the series, and won't just merely accept mediocrity? Next game needs to be a lot better - it won't be as long as there are shills like you that just eat up Bioware's half-assed efforts, saying "feed me more" Without the backlash, Bioware will follow the $$$ and release the same crap quality in Andromeda 2. 'I'm a huge fan of the series' 'shills like you' Sounds an awful lot like 'because I love my country' 'cucks like you'. Are you 12? Seriously, some of the most ridiculous comments come out of your fingers. All you have is fucktastic comebacks, and not a single post with any substance backing up anything you say. Nice game by Harden last night.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2017 18:24:21 GMT
LOL You made my day. I have a - you would call it shill or BW-drone - in my family and we often have hard fights about the quality of BW, very hard fights. If I would show your comment to this person... ROFLOL, that's what this person would do. Difference between you and me - and I think of myself as no lesser "huge" fan of Shepard as you pretend to be - I don't cry around and compare a company to another, a game to another because I coulnd't care less about this witcher hype (that is obviously just based on Witcher 3. Who even cares to talk about 1 or 2?) I want a good BW game with good BW stories and qualities - nothing more, nothing less. But I would also prefer every mediocre BW game over ten of "perfect" Witcher3 games. I don't want BW to be like CDPR because some people want their Witcher in Space. I am no CDPR shill that praises their full-assed efforts to please people like you. And I don't want BW to probably listen to people like you (heaven beware us...) who cry out lout "feed me more of this shit". My expectations of what a game should look like or how a game should entertain me obviously differs from yours - thankfully. I don't think of Andromeda as "crap" or mediocre. Of course there is a lot that needs improvement but I don't bitch around because I never wanted a "Shepard 2.0" (and I will never understand how people can idolize Shep and the OT so much) or - and that would be even worse - a "Space-Wixer". My advice for people like you: Since you're so convinced that CDPR is a company that "listens" to you and BW is just a company that gets worse with every new game, you should stick around at their forum to praise and ask them for a game in space. A universe they have to create instead of copying it from a book series (and even that poorly done...). With all the features you so much like to see - whatever that might be. I'm certain if you put the same amount of time and effort into it as you do here CDPR certainly will listen to you. Don't waste your breath on people like this. They refuse to acknowledge the game as anything greater than a festering shit stain in the bowl of a toilet, infested with fly larva. The same people have been saying how shitty Bioware games are every single release for years now, yet they keep buying them. They think backlash will fix the problem? Yea right, obviously the ME3 backlash worked out great considering how shitty they think this game is. Screaming from the rooftops how dumb everyone else besides themselves are will accomplish nothing. Maybe one day people like this will realize that, and actually learn that their belief in their righteous indignation does not make them more correct, or more intelligent than people with different opinions. Or idk maybe people have different opinions and shouldn't be called names and deserve respect?
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Post by pantherdane on Apr 17, 2017 18:29:09 GMT
I was thinking it was blackjack and hookers.
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Post by darkway1 on Apr 17, 2017 18:29:49 GMT
The link in your post says the three year development cycle cost exceeded 120 million dollars and the marketing alone cost 35 million, so where did you get 32 million from? The guy who runs the game dev tumblr says the production budget of TW3 cost 65 million not counting marketing. Edit: So I searched on google and the CEO of CDPR himself says the total cost of development including marketing was $81 million. www.gamespot.com/articles/this-is-how-much-the-witcher-3-cost-to-make/1100-6430409/The translation is a bit wrong........quote "If the game has sold 4M copies that means its brought in at least $120M, almost double its budget with marketing".....in reference to the game selling 4 million copies in 2 weeks. Seems the base game was originally reported to have cost 32 million to develop and 37 million spent on marketing.........which was later updated to 81 million.If we apply the same development/marketing ratio to the 81 million, then the witcher3 had the same budget as Mass Effect Andromeda.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 17, 2017 18:37:26 GMT
That's funny, considering I'm the only one that posted actual verified statistics to correct the notion that EA spent $40m (no proof of this number), and that TW3 cost $32m. You, on the other hand, fall into the camp that spews rage with zero substance to back up your spittle.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 17, 2017 18:53:46 GMT
40 million dollars is actually a small budget for a triple A title. Dead Space 3 costed like 80 million dollars. GTAV costed over 100 million. Witcher 3 also cost over 80 million. The question is, why did Andromeda have such a small budget? Exactly what I was thinking. I thought the original premise was all wrong, 40 million over 5 years, that is chump change. EA is laughing alllllllll the way to the bank. EA has a history of buying very well thought of game franchises, pumping out crap on the cheap until even the most dedicated fanboys go away.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 17, 2017 19:19:02 GMT
I was thinking it was blackjack and hookers. Oh yeah? Well I'll go make my own video game. With blackjack. And Hookers. In fact, forget the video game and the blackjack.
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Post by jedidotflow on Apr 17, 2017 21:49:44 GMT
At least the game has a complete narrative, unlike Final Fantasy XV.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 22:57:06 GMT
That's funny, considering I'm the only one that posted actual verified statistics to correct the notion that EA spent $40m (no proof of this number), and that TW3 cost $32m. You, on the other hand, fall into the camp that spews rage with zero substance to back up your spittle. Actually you fall into the camp that is obsessed with comparing the witcher 3 with ME:A, and also obsessed with endlessly posting about how rubbish the game is rather than actually doing something a little bit more constructive with your life. Like go play the witcher 3. I fall into the camp of playing the game and enjoying it, warts and all. Think I'll not shift my tent over to your side, if that's all right.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 17, 2017 23:26:26 GMT
90% of the budget went to paying SAM's actor by the line.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 18, 2017 1:25:34 GMT
Witcher 3 was very polished, after 2 expansions, not when it came out. It has a bigger budget and the cost in Poland is lower,yet when the game came out it was still buggy as hell. The UI was way worse than ME:A and lots of bad design choice(fuck the candles). Most of them was fixed later,they even redesign the whole UI in the later patches, but there is nothing suggesting Bioware won't do the same(except they work for EA, I guess).
When it come to development, lots of the problems won't be solved no matter how many budget they have, because in the dev's eyes, these are good design instead of problems. But most of the problems in ME:A is not this kind of problem. So the budget is actually the main factor drag this game down. Maybe if they spend the money more efficient, it could be better, but I doubt it since 40m isn't really all that much.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 18, 2017 3:58:07 GMT
Don't waste your breath on people like this. They refuse to acknowledge the game as anything greater than a festering shit stain in the bowl of a toilet, infested with fly larva. The same people have been saying how shitty Bioware games are every single release for years now, yet they keep buying them. They think backlash will fix the problem? Yea right, obviously the ME3 backlash worked out great considering how shitty they think this game is. Screaming from the rooftops how dumb everyone else besides themselves are will accomplish nothing. Maybe one day people like this will realize that, and actually learn that their belief in their righteous indignation does not make them more correct, or more intelligent than people with different opinions. Or idk maybe people have different opinions and shouldn't be called names and deserve respect? I don't believe I called anyone names. Unless you consider indignation name calling, if you do, then I can't help you, because that really isn't name calling.
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Post by nastrodamus on Apr 18, 2017 6:40:52 GMT
EA is banking alot on whatever this new ip they are having Bioware's A team work. EA for some reason forgot Mass Effect has a big enough money paying fan base. No matter what the actual uses of the budget ended up being were, the game just wasn't up to snuff plain and simple. Were are at the end of the 1 month cycle in which ME:A will have made most of it's money. The mp in the state it's in bled alot of the player base away to other games.
Kinda comes in at a weird time in gaming now. Japan has gotten back into the rpg game making good titles the west will consume. It may hurt Bioware pretty badly in the long run if they keeps making mistakes like they did here. If they screw up this new ip then Bioware will become just another dead solider on the list. Bioware has time not for that to happen, the question is, will they learn. I hope so. Seen too many companies keep screwing up unitl it's too late. Thankfully for Bioware it hasn't reached that point yet.
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Post by Evanoel on Apr 18, 2017 9:00:27 GMT
OP should've created a poll. I'd vote for Cora's sex scene as well.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 18, 2017 11:26:54 GMT
40m is too little finance for a triple A with new engine. I doubt the figure is correct.
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 18, 2017 13:04:51 GMT
I think the 40 Million budget does not include marketing. That figure hasn't been released. 40 million is not a large amount for a AAA game, but it's not peanuts either.
Not sure where the money went. It certainly wasn't on the writing. For me, it was the worst of the series in all respects of characters and writing. Might have gone to the Voice actors even though that was mediocre at best. Don't really blame the VA's though, they had crap to work with. It certainly didn't go to QA, unless they totally ignored what QA had to say.
Not sure tbh.
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