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Post by Ahriman on Nov 27, 2016 12:42:57 GMT
But melee in Mass Effect isn't completely obsolete as long as they don't make guns that bypass shields and barriers. Kinetic shield and biotic barriers actually make melee at least slightly relevant, since shields stop fast moving objects (like bullets) but slow moving objects bypass them, so you can use them as ambush weapons, say for infiltrators with tactical cloak and weapons that don't run out of ammo, for example longer engagements as vanguard. So in mass effect, that Inidiana Jones situations would look more like, bullet gets absorbed by that arabian guy's shield and Indy gets ran through. Edit: and another thing, there were always enemies that want to chew your face off, so no difference there The issue with melee in the Mass Effect universe is that if body armor can stop or deflect rounds travelling at speeds far exceeding those fired by modern weapons, old-timey weapons like swords would not stand a chance. They're not getting through that armor if rounds fired by mass accelerator weaponry sometimes can't. If you didn't bother checking out their in-game description it doesn't mean they work the way you think.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 27, 2016 15:11:19 GMT
The issue with melee in the Mass Effect universe is that if body armor can stop or deflect rounds travelling at speeds far exceeding those fired by modern weapons, old-timey weapons like swords would not stand a chance. They're not getting through that armor if rounds fired by mass accelerator weaponry sometimes can't. If you didn't bother checking out their in-game description it doesn't mean they work the way you think. I may not be correct here, but I assume he don't mean the shield/barrier but the armor we are wearing, and that if they are able to handle mass accelerator weapons they should be able to be just as effective against melee weapons. Or is there something that I have missed that give them an edge vs armor(hehe "edge")? Otherwise I would say that is we are able to aim at the places that are vulnerable, neck, throat, armpits etc, melee weapons are useful.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 27, 2016 15:27:18 GMT
If you didn't bother checking out their in-game description it doesn't mean they work the way you think. I may not be correct here, but I assume he don't mean the shield/barrier but the armor we are wearing, and that if they are able to handle mass accelerator weapons they should be able to be just as effective against melee weapons. Or is there something that I have missed that give them an edge vs armor(hehe "edge")? Otherwise I would say that is we are able to aim at the places that are vulnerable, neck, throat, armpits etc, melee weapons are useful. Armor in Mass Effect is like paper, we've never seen it stop anything. What protects the user from bullets is the shields, which will not work against melee weapons.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 27, 2016 15:47:12 GMT
I may not be correct here, but I assume he don't mean the shield/barrier but the armor we are wearing, and that if they are able to handle mass accelerator weapons they should be able to be just as effective against melee weapons. Or is there something that I have missed that give them an edge vs armor(hehe "edge")? Otherwise I would say that is we are able to aim at the places that are vulnerable, neck, throat, armpits etc, melee weapons are useful. Armor in Mass Effect is like paper, we've never seen it stop anything. What protects the user from bullets is the shields, which will not work against melee weapons. Then why do we have armor? And in ME1 we do get damage protection from armor.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 27, 2016 16:02:35 GMT
If you didn't bother checking out their in-game description it doesn't mean they work the way you think. I may not be correct here, but I assume he don't mean the shield/barrier but the armor we are wearing, and that if they are able to handle mass accelerator weapons they should be able to be just as effective against melee weapons. Or is there something that I have missed that give them an edge vs armor(hehe "edge")? Otherwise I would say that is we are able to aim at the places that are vulnerable, neck, throat, armpits etc, melee weapons are useful. Blades you were seeing are monomolecular. They can cut through metall like butter. As for krogan biotic powered hammers - they don't even need to get through armor, they turn insides into jelly on impact.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Nov 27, 2016 16:25:34 GMT
no please, no This is the 26th-28th century, at least. And even in the 22nd century, everything is long-range. Please. No ninja swords. No brawling. Just no. Don't. *Jumps into discussion* In my opinion hand to hand combat skills will never cease to have some importance, its the most basic fighting skill there is. There might be situations where carrying a weapon or omni-tool would be inappropriate or not allowed, if you do not have any hand to hand fighting skills you are unarmed in said situations. Just as true fighters or soldiers never let their guard down they also never go unarmed - and if its bare hands. I know for sure if I lived in the Mass Effect universe and would have to fulfill some form of combat role I'd never report to duty without a small combat knife and basic hand to hand skills.
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Post by jamiecotc on Nov 27, 2016 18:35:53 GMT
I fully expect swords and such to act like the omniblade in ME3.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 27, 2016 18:40:36 GMT
I fully expect swords and such to act like the omniblade in ME3. It's going to be more than that. We will have dedicated melee weapons, so the melee system will be at least a little more developed. I don't think it would be something very much different from what we've already seen in ME3MP though. A little bit more organic perhaps.
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Post by agentmrorange on Nov 28, 2016 0:23:07 GMT
I think it's stupid to bring a sword to a gun fight but I really don't care if someone else finds it fun let them have it as long as I'm not force to use one.
I just want my heavy weapons back
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2016 4:35:41 GMT
If you didn't bother checking out their in-game description it doesn't mean they work the way you think. I may not be correct here, but I assume he don't mean the shield/barrier but the armor we are wearing, and that if they are able to handle mass accelerator weapons they should be able to be just as effective against melee weapons. Or is there something that I have missed that give them an edge vs armor(hehe "edge")? Otherwise I would say that is we are able to aim at the places that are vulnerable, neck, throat, armpits etc, melee weapons are useful. You had it right. I was referring to body armor, which can absorb or deflect incoming rounds. That is an example of story and gameplay segregation. No one would wear body armor if didn't provide protection. They'd still have to wear envirosuits for hostile environments, but they wouldn't bother armoring it up. The codex entries also explicitly state that body armor can absorb or deflect rounds. For example... Codex - Weapons, Armor, and Equipment
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Post by jackievakarian on Nov 29, 2016 17:23:30 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 7, 2016 2:58:11 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. You serial? ...sorry, but you actually used "hella", so I just couldn't... ...but bows? Meh, they have been SO overused in the last few years... Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Crysis, etc. Bows everywhere. On the general topic: The slow blade penetrates the shield... 'nuff said.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Dec 7, 2016 3:31:49 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. Here you go:
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 7, 2016 5:55:18 GMT
I wish more weapons codexes were as snarky as that.
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Post by jackievakarian on Dec 7, 2016 16:12:16 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. Here you go: HELLA YES. I fucking loved Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon. This is exactly what I had in mind. I had a feeling someone would post or reference this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 16:44:26 GMT
Yep, the appeal of the glowing versions of the weapons that were obsolete a few hundred years ago is hard to overestimate. Maybe we should take it all the way and offer a collection of glowing rocks, clubs and a salve to grow out cybernetic nails and teeth. Neon of course.
Heh, part of me rejects the whole "everything goes, as long as it glows" notion, part of me wants it.
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Post by helios969 on Dec 7, 2016 19:11:20 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. You serial? ...sorry, but you actually used "hella", so I just couldn't... ...but bows? Meh, they have been SO overused in the last few years... Last of Us, Tomb Raider, Crysis, etc. Bows everywhere. On the general topic: The slow blade penetrates the shield... 'nuff said. +1 for the Dune reference.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 7, 2016 19:17:58 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. For bows, I don't know. But omni-crossbow is a thing in ME3mp (via a DLC). We just need to be able to change the color of our omni-tool (this should totally be a thing).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 20:10:27 GMT
On a slightly unrelated tangent, since hammers and swords are confirmed to be in Andromeda, I hella want a cyber/futuristic/neon bow and arrow or crossbow. For bows, I don't know. But omni-crossbow is a thing in ME3mp (via a DLC). We just need to be able to change the color of our omni-tool (this should totally be a thing). And the gunfire, gunfire too. Gimme color crystals! call them something else so Disney doesn't throw a fit! I want my dark blue and pink gunfire!
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 7, 2016 20:39:07 GMT
And the gunfire, gunfire too. Gimme color crystals! call them something else so Disney doesn't throw a fit! I want my dark blue and pink gunfire! ...and then stick all that into micro-transaction loot boxes. Don't give them ideas!
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Post by cloud9 on Dec 8, 2016 8:08:07 GMT
If you guys want me to create a weapons thread all you have to do is ask.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 10, 2017 8:13:05 GMT
I wish Doug was the combat choreographer for ME:A or Kevin Secours.
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Post by Xesthan on Jan 12, 2017 3:55:32 GMT
no please, no This is the 26th-28th century, at least. And even in the 22nd century, everything is long-range. Please. No ninja swords. No brawling. Just no. Don't. How dare you mock Kai Leng-Sama? You would crush our hopes and dreams to show off the flash cinematography movies that would make him proud? In all seriousness, I'm fine with hand to hand combat as it is.
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