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Post by Psychevore on Apr 24, 2017 16:57:02 GMT
Which has absolutely nothing to do with your statement that something was 'more or less confirmed'. On the contrary my friend, it has everything to do with it. My position on Anita Sarkeesian defines whether or not your figments of imagination are confirmed? Right. Fantastic. I think we're done here.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 24, 2017 16:58:49 GMT
*snort* The same goes for you comrade. Because I don't think Cora has been deliberately designed to look like a butch lesbian (whatever that is) to be unattractive to Bioware's apparent core user base? I'm perfectly fine if you take my view on that with a pinch of salt. I don't have an issue with Cora's looks aside from that horrible hairstyle Bioware seems to love so much. I created Scott to romance her until Reyes winked at my boy, and flirting with Gil was too hard to pass up. I don't think I can go back to trying to romance her as Scott. But if she were available for women, I would have created a Sara Ryder just for her. But Bioware has been fairly transparent on how they feel about women in games and stereotypes. And just how lesbians wanted Cora to be available they wanted Cassandra from DAI or Jack from ME2. It seems like tough warrior/fighter type of women are never lesbian or bi in Bioware land, only feminine types and bumbling weirdos. My point is that if a LI is meant to appeal to a certain group (ie Straight men) then you should probably design her to be appealing to the majority within that group. It's not a world view, just simple marketing tactics. Romance options are pure fanservice so they should at least be fanservicey (I know it's not a word). decafhigh, Well it is the butt of an Asari Huntress.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 17:12:06 GMT
So it's not a confirmation. It might as well be. Compare some of the MP characters to the female presets. Compare Scott default look to Sara's. The appearance of women is preaching idealogy? Wtf? It certainly can be. I mean, creatures like Sarkeesian make their money from ranting about female appearance in video games. Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF?
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 24, 2017 17:14:20 GMT
Yeah you know absolutely nothing about her, her mission and feminism in general if you can honestly say that. Oh I know quite a bit. More than I'd care to Tbh. Yeah well then your just the typical guy who thinks this stuff isn't important.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 24, 2017 17:14:53 GMT
*shrug* There's no accounting for taste.
And yeah, "creature" sums up Sarkeesian very well I think. That's a fitting description for a dishonest provocateur that cherry picks her "findings" and twists the truth to suit her purposes and doesn't understand the problem with having double standards. Her arguments were debunked so may times that it's a wonder anyone still takes her seriously outside of her own echo-chamber.
Anita "Everything is racist, everything is sexist" Sarkeesian, is a fanatic ideologue - the quintessential SJW, and I'm not at all surprised that you agree with her.
Yeah you know absolutely nothing about her, her mission and feminism in general if you can honestly say that. Jesus Christ, your comment is absolute cancer.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 24, 2017 17:15:59 GMT
It might as well be. Compare some of the MP characters to the female presets. Compare Scott default look to Sara's. It certainly can be. I mean, creatures like Sarkeesian make their money from ranting about female appearance in video games. Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF? Nope. Nothing can compare to based sheploo.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 17:17:16 GMT
Yeah I prefer to make my own Shep over any default, but he has a more memorable look at any rate. He does look much older though. I think IRL 'loo looks kinda weird though compared to his face scan. I can't put my finger on what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 17:17:42 GMT
It might as well be. Compare some of the MP characters to the female presets. Compare Scott default look to Sara's. It certainly can be. I mean, creatures like Sarkeesian make their money from ranting about female appearance in video games. Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF? No, not the only one. I'm still trying to figure out how (and why) people think he's so much better looking than his twin.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 24, 2017 17:17:55 GMT
It might as well be. Compare some of the MP characters to the female presets. Compare Scott default look to Sara's. It certainly can be. I mean, creatures like Sarkeesian make their money from ranting about female appearance in video games. Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF? No, you're not, but these folks need to put everything into an evil SJW conspiracy mold, so they don't talk about the white male. Unless they can bitch about him not being manly enough by not treating women like trash or going on a genocidal murder spree every now and then. Because we all know genocide is essential to an RPG. Or something.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 17:19:21 GMT
What brings default Sara down is the facial animation. It's odd that some presets somehow animate better than the default.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 24, 2017 17:20:30 GMT
Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF? No, not the only one. I'm still trying to figure out how (and why) people think he's so much better looking than his twin. Because Sara does too many autistic facial expression and she looks unproportioned.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 17:29:07 GMT
Man am I the only one that thinks default Scott is basic AF? AF? It means "as fuck"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 17:29:32 GMT
What brings default Sara down is the facial animation. It's odd that some presets somehow animate better than the default. I guess I must have chosen well, then. I've not seen any examples of wacky facial animations in my play.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 17:31:21 GMT
What brings default Sara down is the facial animation. It's odd that some presets somehow animate better than the default. I guess I must have chosen well, then. I've not seen any examples of wacky facial animations in my play. I think all fall victim here and there, but only in rarer instances, like the Journey to Meridian mission when Ryder activates the defenses. Woo buddy. It's just that second so whatever, but it's there, and none are immune.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 24, 2017 17:32:54 GMT
My position on Anita Sarkeesian defines whether or not your figments of imagination are confirmed? Right. Fantastic. I think we're done here. It defines your inability to judge with anything approaching objectivity these "fragments of my imagination". (and the imagination of quite a few other people, apparently) First of all, you know nothing of my position on Anita Sarkeesian, besides that I said she had a point on something. Second, you can hide behind a group all you want, but I'm talking to you. It's up to you back your bullshit up. But you can't and you won't, hence we are talking about my personality/character instead of your bullshit opinion. And that is why we're done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 17:37:31 GMT
I guess I must have chosen well, then. I've not seen any examples of wacky facial animations in my play. I think all fall victim here and there, but only in rarer instances, like the Journey to Meridian mission when Ryder activates the defenses. Woo buddy. It's just that second so whatever, but it's there, and none are immune. Hah! Now that you mention it - a few very brief grimaces (?) or whatever here and there. They're typically gone pretty quickly, though, so I write them off as Drack farts.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 24, 2017 17:40:27 GMT
And the emphasis would be on less then since it is non-confirmed. And why would they confirm it? They have no incentive to do it.
Bioware's attitude on the subject is well known, and if something looks like a duck walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - it's probably not an elephant.
Oooooook? So now we know about ducks I guess? None of which changes the fact that you can quite easily make yourself a gorgeous Sara Ryder. How that makes her "unthreatening" is beyond me.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 24, 2017 17:55:00 GMT
Yeah well then your just the typical guy who thinks this stuff isn't important. And you are just a typical ideologue dismissing anyone with a different opinion.
(sex-negative third wave feminism is considered rather extreme even among feminists)
oh I'm not even touching this. You are incorrect about what she's about but I'm not taking the bait.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 24, 2017 17:57:43 GMT
Yeah you know absolutely nothing about her, her mission and feminism in general if you can honestly say that. Jesus Christ, your comment is absolute cancer. Nope not doing it. All I'm going to say is this whole "gamer gate" thing was stupid from the start. All this hullabaloo over letting women play and design games. Like come on people I know plenty of female gamers who could teach you guys a thing or two.
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Post by suikoden on Apr 24, 2017 18:10:53 GMT
That annoying urge to preach kooky ideologies is certainly vile. I couldn't care less really. Even if I tried really hard. The appearance of women is preaching idealogy? Wtf? If theyre all fugly, especially the main female - who looks NOTHING like her model, despite evidence of her previous in game appearance actually looking attractive, only to be beaten with an ugly stick... Meanwhile, male Ryder looks very close to his handsome model counterpart. Combined with the ugly faces of all in-game females in CC, an agenda becomes very clear. They've desexualized females in the game - (Coras ass can't hide that fact, as her but butterface ruins the appeal).
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 24, 2017 18:10:58 GMT
No, not the only one. I'm still trying to figure out how (and why) people think he's so much better looking than his twin. Because Sara does too many autistic facial expression and she looks unproportioned. While the facial expressions certainly don't help, it is the facial proportions more than anything. Default Sara and a number of the presets all have that same issue, but that's been covered to death already. I thought Scott looked fine, most of the male presets look decent too. At the very least they don't look unnatural, some of the custom Scott's I've seen in the screenshots threads are even down right hunky. I suppose it could be coincidence, but this is BW. It certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility that the female presets all have a 'distinctive aesthetic' about them on purpose.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 24, 2017 18:17:58 GMT
Because Sara does too many autistic facial expression and she looks unproportioned. A bit of constructive criticism for future criticisms of yours: the bolded part of your post dosen't make sense. Are you referring to a lack of facial expressions or ambiguous facial expressions?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Apr 24, 2017 19:05:33 GMT
This thread is going places...
Do carry on.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Apr 24, 2017 19:39:44 GMT
If anything is making BW loose its "heart" it is all the focus being put onto MP and the shooter style combat. I don't need super duper shooter mechanics to have a great RPG. I don't need shooter style MP at all. I do need an interesting world for the story and characters to exist in.Drop the MP, stop re-inventing the combat, and put that time, money, and resources back into the story and the world building. If someone really cared about 'Bioware's Heart', that is the advice they would be offering. i.imgur.com/DeqVizC.gifmedia.giphy.com/media/3o72FhxujRMcOqUm8o/giphy.gif
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 24, 2017 19:46:35 GMT
This thread is going places... Do carry on. Nowhere good though not once you bring up certain topics well there goes the neighborhood.
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