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Post by Sable Rhapsody on May 23, 2017 21:31:19 GMT
I completely forgot about this thread before it was brought back from the dead, lol. Thank you all for the answers and perspectives. Jaal's still not my thing, but I guess I can kinda see it now One thing I still don't get, though: How would angaran x human reproduction work? I know that Mass Effect is not exactly one of the most scientifically accurate franchises, but still. Seems like a bit of a stretch. I am sure your mother-in-law would be delighted to tell you all about the Angaran bees and Human birds. And if that fails, your ship engineer has the closest thing to a fertility goddess ME verse has to offer on a speed dial. She'd boost that batter for you.Ugh, no! Angara and humans being able to reproduce without serious technological assistance is about as plausible as horses and dogs suddenly being able to reproduce. Sure, they're both mammals...but that doesn't mean they can pop out horrible hybrid monstrosities
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 22:01:42 GMT
I am sure your mother-in-law would be delighted to tell you all about the Angaran bees and Human birds. And if that fails, your ship engineer has the closest thing to a fertility goddess ME verse has to offer on a speed dial. She'd boost that batter for you.Ugh, no! Angara and humans being able to reproduce without serious technological assistance is about as plausible as horses and dogs suddenly being able to reproduce. Sure, they're both mammals...but that doesn't mean they can pop out horrible hybrid monstrosities Well, techno assistance was what I meant. We are in the world where Angara themselves are basically space homunculus, and where andromedian native technology incorporates genetic structure into kett super genome, and where our own MW Asari procreate with everything that has biological material and sentience. honestly, this is not an avenue I do want them to pursue any further, but they can. Alternatively, a lose Angaran extended family structure does allow for intergration of F!Ryder as an auxiliary "mother" in Ama Dara clan and nurturing a multitude of Jaal's nieces and nephews as well as three and five times removed....
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Post by voltangclan on May 24, 2017 6:27:29 GMT
If I put my freak hat on and put aside the hideousness of the angaran race, I'd still not want to boink one because I'd be afraid I might get electrocuted to death when they climax.
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Post by fizzypop on May 24, 2017 22:22:38 GMT
He has literally the most content for a female ryder to romance a man. So if you want your ryder to fuck a dude you have Jaal or Reyes. I haven't done Liam's, but from what I hear his is pretty short too. So really Jaal is the most content heavy. Reyes is one romance I love too, but his content is shorter.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
He has literally the most content for a female ryder to romance a man. So if you want your ryder to fuck a dude you have Jaal or Reyes. I haven't done Liam's, but from what I hear his is pretty short too. So really Jaal is the most content heavy. Reyes is one romance I love too, but his content is shorter. Yeah Jaal and Reyes are plot-connected romances, and Jaal has a fully nude sex scene. Liam has a fade to black one and his romance doesn't really connect to the plot, but it's a damn sweet romance if you want something light, warm and fuzzy!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 8:34:46 GMT
Apparently many people have a thing for shaved cat balls
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2017 14:39:13 GMT
He has literally the most content for a female ryder to romance a man. So if you want your ryder to fuck a dude you have Jaal or Reyes. I haven't done Liam's, but from what I hear his is pretty short too. So really Jaal is the most content heavy. Reyes is one romance I love too, but his content is shorter. If you space it properly, doing each scene separately after a bunch of missions on other planets, Reyes content is as long as Jaal's and way more focused on the courting parts of the romance. You get to kiss Reyes three times, and it is an interesting and well set-up circumstantial kissing scene each time, while Jaal has two interesting romantic scenes, with one taking place in a very uncomfortable setting with his whole huge clan right there behind the wall, and the other is a fairly explicit sex scene, so your mileage may vary.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 27, 2017 3:11:04 GMT
Well, I went into the story completely spoiler-free and had no idea Jaal was even romanceable for most of the game. I didn't know what the people holding hands icon was supposed to mean (friendship?) so I picked it. Then he sends that email calling her "dearest one" and I was a little confused, especially because he wasn't talking to her after blowing up the kett facility on Voeld. When he was willing to talk to her again, she was already or had already been involved with Liam, Peebee, Reyes and Keri... so I figured why not? And she romanced him too when the hearts became available. It was interesting and kind of cute as a romance.
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Post by antmarch456 on May 31, 2017 4:36:47 GMT
If I put my freak hat on and put aside the hideousness of the angaran race, I'd still not want to boink one because I'd be afraid I might get electrocuted to death when they climax. What's to say the other aliens think we're hideous, though? I mean, we have this thing on our head called HAIR...eeeeeww...
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Post by Fredward on May 31, 2017 4:38:16 GMT
I was more into Jaal's hype than I was into Jaal tbqh.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 3, 2017 1:04:57 GMT
Tbh, while I thought Jaal was nice as a romance, I stopped questioning why people may see the romantic appeal in one character or another. There were people gushing over Benny in Fallout New Vegas and his romantic appeal after shooting your character in the face while their hands were bound and leaving them to die in a shallow grave. I didn't understand why. (For what it's worth, my Courier did sleep with him with the Black Widow perk, but only so she could kill him afterwards).
It doesn't have to make sense to you, since inevitably there will be others who see the appeal in it. And that can go both ways. (Edit: And I'm not saying this to sound accusatory. I just meant this as an observation in fandoms in general. People like what people like.)
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Post by Amirit on Jun 4, 2017 13:34:53 GMT
Tbh, while I thought Jaal was nice as a romance, I stopped questioning why people may see the romantic appeal in one character or another. There were people gushing over Benny in Fallout New Vegas and his romantic appeal after shooting your character in the face while their hands were bound and leaving them to die in a shallow grave. I didn't understand why. (For what it's worth, my Courier did sleep with him with the Black Widow perk, but only so she could kill him afterwards). It doesn't have to make sense to you, since inevitably there will be others who see the appeal in it. And that can go both ways. (Edit: And I'm not saying this to sound accusatory. I just meant this as an observation in fandoms in general. People like what people like.) I don't know... You are right, of course, that tastes are different and you do not have to understand why one likes apples and another - oranges. But there is such thing as objectivity. For example, I do not like any romance option in DAI, but played them all and can honestly say that objectively Solas - is the best romance in the game. Professional writers can point details that make it so, but from pov of simple gamer you have there mystery, passion, relevance to the story, personal agenda (that also evokes emotions) and simply good writing. While, say, IB - irrelevant comical fling consisted of several gags with moralization in between. You can head-canon any deep means for every word of any romance and read "between the lines" or analyze face and voice expression of your chosen LI, to rationalize that choice, but things like plot-relevance or emotion stirring deeds remain objective - they are either there or not. In our case, Jaal is everywhere, relevant to practically every event and main plot, unusual (not the boring human male), romantic hero (in all ways - a Resistance fighter and emotional being) and written with some humor and tenderness in it's dialogs. I'd say Reyes rivals him in every aspect while being the opposite in some of them - for darker flavor. While all Liam can bring is ... well... there has to be something!... he cares about you? Something like that. But take him away and not a single mission or main plot-line will change.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 4, 2017 14:17:02 GMT
Tbh, while I thought Jaal was nice as a romance, I stopped questioning why people may see the romantic appeal in one character or another. There were people gushing over Benny in Fallout New Vegas and his romantic appeal after shooting your character in the face while their hands were bound and leaving them to die in a shallow grave. I didn't understand why. (For what it's worth, my Courier did sleep with him with the Black Widow perk, but only so she could kill him afterwards). It doesn't have to make sense to you, since inevitably there will be others who see the appeal in it. And that can go both ways. (Edit: And I'm not saying this to sound accusatory. I just meant this as an observation in fandoms in general. People like what people like.) I don't know... You are right, of course, that tastes are different and you do not have to understand why one likes apples and another - oranges. But there is such thing as objectivity. For example, I do not like any romance option in DAI, but played them all and can honestly say that objectively Solas - is the best romance in the game. Professional writers can point details that make it so, but from pov of simple gamer you have there mystery, passion, relevance to the story, personal agenda (that also evokes emotions) and simply good writing. While, say, IB - irrelevant comical fling consisted of several gags with moralization in between. You can head-canon any deep means for every word of any romance and read "between the lines" or analyze face and voice expression of your chosen LI, to rationalize that choice, but things like plot-relevance or emotion stirring deeds remain objective - they are either there or not. In our case, Jaal is everywhere, relevant to practically every event and main plot, unusual (not the boring human male), romantic hero (in all ways - a Resistance fighter and emotional being) and written with some humor and tenderness in it's dialogs. I'd say Reyes rivals him in every aspect while being the opposite in some of them - for darker flavor. While all Liam can bring is ... well... there has to be something!... he cares about you? Something like that. But take him away and not a single mission or main plot-line will change. I agree that plot-relevance is objective. Liara is objectively the best romance in the MET in terms of both plot-relevance and the amount of content she's given, but I'm sure not everyone would agree with that on a level of personal preference--which is definitely not objective. People have their own preferences in characters types, and while this is a story, it is also a story you can role play in. Jaal is definitely all those things you said, yes, which adds to his appeal and popularity. I thought Liam was nice as a romance too, fwiw, because I liked his personality, and how my Ryder can tease him and have fun. Obviously I'm in the minority on Liam here, but I saw an appeal in his romance and character.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 4, 2017 17:22:10 GMT
I'm pretty sure people loved Jaal before MEA was even released. But, honestly, I don't know. He's not my favorite squadmate and I wouldn't be interested in romancing him even if he were an option for Scott.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 5, 2017 2:34:59 GMT
I'm pretty sure people loved Jaal before MEA was even released. But, honestly, I don't know. He's not my favorite squadmate and I wouldn't be interested in romancing him even if he were an option for Scott. I was (purposefully) in the dark for all of the pre-game hype, but I could see that happening too. Jaal does check all the boxes for what would be a popular romance (though I don't know how much was revealed on his character). All we knew about Solas before DAI was he was an apostate elven hedgemage who was only into elven chicks. For obvious reasons, they didn't reveal more. He didn't reach his popularity until after the game's release and we knew more about him.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 5, 2017 3:17:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure people loved Jaal before MEA was even released. But, honestly, I don't know. He's not my favorite squadmate and I wouldn't be interested in romancing him even if he were an option for Scott. I was (purposefully) in the dark for all of the pre-game hype, but I could see that happening too. Jaal does check all the boxes for what would be a popular romance (though I don't know how much was revealed on his character). All we knew about Solas before DAI was he was an apostate elven hedgemage who was only into elven chicks. For obvious reasons, they didn't reveal more. He didn't reach his popularity until after the game's release and we knew more about him. I can see how Solas could hit all the right romantic buttons for some, and I think Jaal behaves in much the same way, but neither really works for me. I'm after people like Alistair, Cullen, Reyes and Kaidan. However, BioWare finds the Solas/Jaal type to be what the average female wants and they aren't wrong. I just don't fit the category.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 5, 2017 3:35:23 GMT
I was (purposefully) in the dark for all of the pre-game hype, but I could see that happening too. Jaal does check all the boxes for what would be a popular romance (though I don't know how much was revealed on his character). All we knew about Solas before DAI was he was an apostate elven hedgemage who was only into elven chicks. For obvious reasons, they didn't reveal more. He didn't reach his popularity until after the game's release and we knew more about him. I can see how Solas could hit all the right romantic buttons for some, and I think Jaal behaves in much the same way, but neither really works for me. I'm after people like Alistair, Cullen, Reyes and Kaidan. However, BioWare finds the Solas/Jaal type to be what the average female wants and they aren't wrong. I just don't fit the category. Fair enough, and I'm not one to judge either on Jaal's popularity (which I'm not). Take one look at my YouTube page, and you'll see how much I liked Solas in DAI, ha. Cullen and Alistair were nice too, though I'm starting to see an appeal in Zevran as well. I like trying them all, but for the most part I only see the romances available to female PCs due to my preference in characters I play. I know Liara gets a lot of flak on the forums, but her romance may be my favorite now in the MET when I gave her a chance after sticking to Garrus for so long.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 5, 2017 3:41:26 GMT
I can see how Solas could hit all the right romantic buttons for some, and I think Jaal behaves in much the same way, but neither really works for me. I'm after people like Alistair, Cullen, Reyes and Kaidan. However, BioWare finds the Solas/Jaal type to be what the average female wants and they aren't wrong. I just don't fit the category. Fair enough, and I'm not one to judge either on Jaal's popularity (which I'm not). Take one look at my YouTube page, and you'll see how much I liked Solas in DAI, ha. Cullen and Alistair were nice too, though I'm starting to see an appeal in Zevran as well. I like trying them all, but for the most part I only see the romances available to female PCs due to my preference in characters I play. I know Liara gets a lot of flak on the forums, but her romance may be my favorite now in the MET when I gave her a chance after sticking to Garrus for so long. Never had any interest in Zevran. Romanced him because he was the option and I didn't like it at all. For the record, I don't hate Liara. I see her as a really good friend to Shepard, probably suffering from unrequited love, but will to do anything for him or her. I later began to see her differently, taking a look at how she ignored Shepard almost getting hurt during LotSB (building explosion) because she's so singleminded about saving people she cares about. Shepard has already been ticked off as "safe" at this point so she focuses on Feron. Only after he's safe does she become "human" (so to speak) again. Then, in ME3, she enshrines Shepard in her little pet project, as well as offers a special mind melding gift toward the very end, just to share some comfort should they not survive. She's really very sweet. It just took me some time to notice. In any case, I don't see Zevran or Liara as being anything like Solas or Jaal.
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 5, 2017 3:44:57 GMT
Fair enough, and I'm not one to judge either on Jaal's popularity (which I'm not). Take one look at my YouTube page, and you'll see how much I liked Solas in DAI, ha. Cullen and Alistair were nice too, though I'm starting to see an appeal in Zevran as well. I like trying them all, but for the most part I only see the romances available to female PCs due to my preference in characters I play. I know Liara gets a lot of flak on the forums, but her romance may be my favorite now in the MET when I gave her a chance after sticking to Garrus for so long. Never had any interest in Zevran. Romanced him because he was the option and I didn't like it at all. For the record, I don't hate Liara. I see her as a really good friend to Shepard, probably suffering from unrequited love, but will to do anything for him or her. I later began to see her differently, taking a look at how she ignored Shepard almost getting hurt during LotSB (building explosion) because she's so singleminded about saving people she cares about. Shepard has already been ticked off as "safe" at this point so she focuses on Feron. Only after he's safe does she become "human" (so to speak) again. Then, in ME3, she enshrines Shepard in her little pet project, as well as offers a special mind melding gift toward the very end, just to share some comfort should they not survive. She's really very sweet. It just took me some time to notice. In any case, I don't see Zevran or Liara as being anything like Solas or Jaal.You're right of course. I was just explaining who/why I like to romance certain characters as a female gamer. I like to try them and role play my characters in certain ways. Sorry if I seemed to derail.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jun 5, 2017 3:52:17 GMT
Never had any interest in Zevran. Romanced him because he was the option and I didn't like it at all. For the record, I don't hate Liara. I see her as a really good friend to Shepard, probably suffering from unrequited love, but will to do anything for him or her. I later began to see her differently, taking a look at how she ignored Shepard almost getting hurt during LotSB (building explosion) because she's so singleminded about saving people she cares about. Shepard has already been ticked off as "safe" at this point so she focuses on Feron. Only after he's safe does she become "human" (so to speak) again. Then, in ME3, she enshrines Shepard in her little pet project, as well as offers a special mind melding gift toward the very end, just to share some comfort should they not survive. She's really very sweet. It just took me some time to notice. In any case, I don't see Zevran or Liara as being anything like Solas or Jaal.You're right of course. I was just explaining who/why I like to romance certain characters as a female gamer. I like to try them and role play my characters in certain ways. Sorry if I seemed to derail. Not a worry of mine that things are derailed. I also have a tendency to romance humans. You may have noticed. Hence, Zevran, Solas, Jaal, Fenris, Iron Bull, Garrus and Thane mostly don't hold much appeal to me. I guess I look for what I would want in a man, and the pointy ears, scaly skin, big horns and plated skin just don't fit for me. Lol
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 5, 2017 4:02:40 GMT
You're right of course. I was just explaining who/why I like to romance certain characters as a female gamer. I like to try them and role play my characters in certain ways. Sorry if I seemed to derail. Not a worry of mine that things are derailed. I also have a tendency to romance humans. You may have noticed. Hence, Zevran, Solas, Jaal, Fenris, Iron Bull, Garrus and Thane mostly don't hold much appeal to me. I guess I look for what I would want in a man, and the pointy ears, scaly skin, big horns and plated skin just don't fit for me. Lol Ha, yeah. I can understand that. I didn't care for Iron Bull much either, fwiw, but I think it had more to do with the romance itself. I did start it as a qunari Inquisitor, but haven't finished it since I began that playthrough over a year ago o.o
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You're right of course. I was just explaining who/why I like to romance certain characters as a female gamer. I like to try them and role play my characters in certain ways. Sorry if I seemed to derail. Not a worry of mine that things are derailed. I also have a tendency to romance humans. You may have noticed. Hence, Zevran, Solas, Jaal, Fenris, Iron Bull, Garrus and Thane mostly don't hold much appeal to me. I guess I look for what I would want in a man, and the pointy ears, scaly skin, big horns and plated skin just don't fit for me. Lol
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Post by Melcara on Jun 5, 2017 6:08:34 GMT
I was (purposefully) in the dark for all of the pre-game hype, but I could see that happening too. Jaal does check all the boxes for what would be a popular romance (though I don't know how much was revealed on his character). All we knew about Solas before DAI was he was an apostate elven hedgemage who was only into elven chicks. For obvious reasons, they didn't reveal more. He didn't reach his popularity until after the game's release and we knew more about him. I can see how Solas could hit all the right romantic buttons for some, and I think Jaal behaves in much the same way, but neither really works for me. I'm after people like Alistair, Cullen, Reyes and Kaidan. However, BioWare finds the Solas/Jaal type to be what the average female wants and they aren't wrong. I just don't fit the category. Solas and Jaal are nothing alike, though. The only thing that they have in common is their relevance to the plot. I don't get why people keep putting them in the same category. I'm also kind of confused because you mentioned that you're more into romances like Alistair and Cullen, with whom Jaal has way more in common with?
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Post by kalasaurus on Jun 5, 2017 6:21:04 GMT
I can see how Solas could hit all the right romantic buttons for some, and I think Jaal behaves in much the same way, but neither really works for me. I'm after people like Alistair, Cullen, Reyes and Kaidan. However, BioWare finds the Solas/Jaal type to be what the average female wants and they aren't wrong. I just don't fit the category. Solas and Jaal are nothing alike, though. The only thing that they have in common is their relevance to the plot. I don't get why people keep putting them in the same category.I'm also kind of confused because you mentioned that you're more into romances like Alistair and Cullen, with whom Jaal has way more in common with? I think it has more to do with their popularity among the female gamer fanbase (among their relevance to the plot), tbh. The same could be said for Alistair, but Solas is more recent. Edit: Misunderstood the context of your post. But, I still think that's why people tend to group them together.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 5, 2017 12:10:48 GMT
Hmm, I haven't done Jaal's romance yet, but I did like the character a lot and his friendship arc with Ryder. I also did romance Solas too, so I suppose I do see where people are comparing them...minus the whole twist ending/betrayal/secret identity thing. Both are connected to a mysterious ancient race, whose ruins you explore together, and he feels plot relevant. The Angaran also seem a bit more mystical I think too, with their beliefs in reincarnation and whatnot, somewhat like elves. But I would say he strikes me as a more sensitive and less cynical Javik (who I also liked). It's also clear they put a lot of effort into Jaal, and I think that shows in his popularity. I saw the elf comparison too, but the Solas stuff came from Jaal being a plot romance, and part of the race the story is about. Also, before the game came out, the devs would say nothing about him either (there was even a rumor his romance was happy and sad). Once some of them and the voice actors started teasing the lady gamers that if they like Alistair, wait until they meet Jaal and how his voice would drive us crazy, most of us realized he was not going to be a Solas-type. Jaal ended up being a mix of Alistair, Cullen, Garrus (romance-wise) and Thane if you count the tragic love story. yeah I've not done his romance yet but I'm intrigued enough to do one with him eventually was thinking my next playthrough after i'm done with my current one.
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