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Post by luzarius on May 5, 2017 9:17:57 GMT
This conflicts with the gender pronoun conversation the Asari have in Mass Effect Andromeda:
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Post by Light on May 5, 2017 9:35:56 GMT
Yep, the writers of Andromeda either ignore or rewrite any and all Mass Effect Universe lore that disagrees with how they want the game to play out.
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Post by shechinah on May 5, 2017 9:44:57 GMT
I can't remember where my old and more elaborate post about this is but basically, the writers have always been back and forth about the asari and gender: this is just the most recent case but it was a thing back in the trilogy as well. This also applies to the asari language.
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Post by mofojokers on May 5, 2017 10:01:33 GMT
Players will always be more attuned and aware of these things. Than the writers who are just doing it for a job. More or less don't care about the actual universe they are helping to create. It's common among tv shows as well where fans keep track of the history as if it's our own.
You will probably find that most are probably not even gamers. All we can do is just find a way to make it work for us. Although sometimes it's really hard to stretch it I.E the kid in the fridge from fallout 4......
Their response was to say we shouldn't take lore so seriously....😧
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 10:30:07 GMT
This is gonna be great!
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Post by Ahriman on May 5, 2017 10:33:14 GMT
Not again...
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 5, 2017 10:43:27 GMT
Dude, this is literally worse than giving PeeBee eyebrows and then rewriting Asari physiology to explain it away afterwards. *Shoots pool*
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Post by Ahriman on May 5, 2017 10:57:39 GMT
Dude, this is literally worse than giving PeeBee eyebrows and then rewriting Asari physiology to explain it away afterwards. *Shoots pool* Oh come on, it was perfectly explained a dozen of times already. They interact with other species and some of them pick up their pronouns. Like if we'd met Space Ants right now, some people would surely start to identify themselves as drones/queens/kings. And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't put such person in charge of human culture center.
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Post by dm04 on May 5, 2017 11:24:59 GMT
I do not see the problem.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 5, 2017 11:26:54 GMT
The Asari are mono-gendered aliens, presumably with their own language, where the existence of one-to-one equivalents for certain concepts is gonna be a crapshoot at best.
Until the writers provide a comprehensive Asari dictionary, they can get away with saying whatever the hell they want, as long as it doesn't conflict with earlier info.
And having different gender pronouns doesn't mean they HAVE to have a word for "patriarch". We don't know what the other Asari pronouns ARE, or what life is like for the individuals who identify with those labels.
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Post by wolfsite on May 5, 2017 11:37:55 GMT
Another thing people need to keep in mind is when Aria created the word and how much time had passed from the creation of the word till ME2/ME:A.
Aria is shown to hold a lot of power and sway in both the Terminus systems and council space so I wouldn't put it past the Asari to hear Aria use the word "Patriarch" and then start using it themselves as either to give the sense of status with Aria or to appease Aria.
Even in this day and age people are creating new words and they quickly become part of the modern vocabulary so the word Patriarch can be no different.
A new word can spread in the english language in well under a year so if Aria created the word more than 50 or even 100 or more years ago that is more than enough time for the word to become part of Asari culture so there is no real lore breaking here as Aria is just telling you she created a word and then later on we find out the word has become part of Asari culture.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 11:41:06 GMT
Explaining it as a way the asari have melded with the other species, or a difference of opinion or whatever is essentially bullshit.6 The real reason is BioWare trying to show the world, and all the special snowflakes, that they're super sensitive to the latest Tumblr zeitgeist. The end.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 5, 2017 11:49:20 GMT
The REAL injustice is minor lore inconsistencies in a video game franchise.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 5, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
This conflicts with the gender pronoun conversation the Asari have in Mass Effect Andromeda: I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 5, 2017 12:02:29 GMT
This conflicts with the gender pronoun conversation the Asari have in Mass Effect Andromeda: I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots. If you don't like it, make your own video game.
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Post by Pyrceval78 on May 5, 2017 12:08:38 GMT
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Post by FeralEwok on May 5, 2017 12:08:52 GMT
I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 5, 2017 12:09:22 GMT
I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots. If you don't like it, make your own video game. EDIT: Maybe the same thing could be said to some of the recent staff members hired at BioWare? Mass Effect used to be its own little thing. Then BioWare became increasingly progressive and bastardized the shit out of it.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 5, 2017 12:20:52 GMT
If you don't like it, make your own video game. EDIT: Maybe the same thing could be said to some of the recent staff members hired at BioWare? Mass Effect used to be its own little thing. Then BioWare became increasingly progressive and bastardized the shit out of it. Well they DID make their own thing, that's your entire problem.
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 5, 2017 12:21:43 GMT
Dude, this is literally worse than giving PeeBee eyebrows and then rewriting Asari physiology to explain it away afterwards. *Shoots pool* Oh come on, it was perfectly explained a dozen of times already. They interact with other species and some of them pick up their pronouns. Like if we'd met Space Ants right now, some people would surely start to identify themselves as drones/queens/kings. And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't put such person in charge of human culture center. Its literally worse than Vetra speaking in Latin and PeeBee saying her name stands for peanut butter. The Asari acronym would likely not even sound like P or B and the translation for Peanut Butter might be something like "Cano'fworms Ope'nup Onim" So having her name be PeeBee is even bad. Worse if its Peanut Butter.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 5, 2017 12:22:03 GMT
EDIT: Maybe the same thing could be said to some of the recent staff members hired at BioWare? Mass Effect used to be its own little thing. Then BioWare became increasingly progressive and bastardized the shit out of it. Well they DID make their own thing, that's your entire problem. Oh you mean the writers that left the franchise in the dirt like Drew K or L'Etoile? Who is "they" and how is this their "own" thing? You seem to forget this game was led by an entirely different developer than the people who made the trilogy or how eroded BioWare has gotten by EA in the last 7 years. Like, if Andromeda was a new IP who would complain about any of this? Nobody because it'd be completely unreasonable. But when it has "Mass Effect" in the title you expect it to hold true to certain details. Like I said, BioWare's become infested with idiots these days, so how is this "their" let alone "own" thing? You're looking at a walking corpse resurrected by necromancers for christs sakes.
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Post by goishen on May 5, 2017 12:23:52 GMT
I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots. It's because they think that their job is a mic on a stage. I mean, it is. But that's not to say that they can just say whatever they want to and then produce shit results. Produce good games and then start talking shit. It's not the other way around.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 5, 2017 12:24:47 GMT
Oh, they're taking a long hard dump on the success that paved their way with ME1 and ME2 that's for sure. Oh come on, it was perfectly explained a dozen of times already. They interact with other species and some of them pick up their pronouns. Like if we'd met Space Ants right now, some people would surely start to identify themselves as drones/queens/kings. And don't even try to tell me that you wouldn't put such person in charge of human culture center. Its literally worse than Vetra speaking in Latin and PeeBee saying her name stands for peanut butter. The Asari acronym would likely not even sound like P or B and the translation for Peanut Butter might be something like "Cano'fworms Ope'nup Onim" So having her name be PeeBee is even bad. Worse if its Peanut Butter. Well, at least PeeBee IS an unabashedly anti-asari, so she can be human-like as a testament to who she is. She also has that line on Eos about bringing her underwear on to the Tempest and it's distracting because it's like "Do Asari wear underwear? Actually, why wouldn't they?" but it pokes a hole in the conventions of the series becuase you wouldn't normally think about that kind of stuff because it humanizes the aliens too much.
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Post by isaidlunch on May 5, 2017 12:26:12 GMT
It would be nice if LGBT diversity was treated naturally instead of lecturing the player at every opportunity. That Iron Bull conversation still makes me mad
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Post by zipzap2000 on May 5, 2017 12:26:15 GMT
I was thinking about this vs the SJW-ness of games these days in general the other day. Man, what a strong and memorable little slice of a side-story this was and it was feminist without catering to a bandwagon. I dunno if it was Mac who wrote this or not (more proof if true that he should've remained Senior) but this is actually a feminist plot with a "strong female protagonist" Aria that takes a stab at the social customs and male dominance, the patriarchy, we're used to and it does it all by propelling the Mass Effect lore and highlighting how beautifully alien the world is, as it should be. Now, looking at the pronoun conversation or the "no bigots allowed" bullcrap that doesn't at all feel like something that takes advantage of being "Mass Effect". Instead it feels forced down on it and takes away the sense of how real the world is as a fictional universe. BioWare, you got work to do. Now start firing your SJW idiot writers that you hired. They mean well but they're idiots. I actually followed Ms. Maggs on Twitter for a time trying to convince myself that she wasn't as bad as that "virtual rape GTA" video made her seem to be... but three weeks later and I unfollowed the shit out of her. God damn it, some people's brains apparently are that one-sided. Every single tweet or retweet (we're talking 20 a day) is something to do with promoting women regardless of context. "Hey did you know GotG2 is gonna suck? It's because the uncredited writer of GotG1 was a WOMAN!", "Tomorrow I'm gonna talk about fangirls getting into the gaming industry!", "OMG Battlefront 2 has a PoC woman? I'm IN!". Yeah, because as a developer everything has to be a soapbox for your political agenda, right? Fucking idiots. It's because they think that their job is a mic on a stage. I mean, it is. But that's not to say that they can just say whatever they want to and then produce shit results. Produce good games and then start talking shit. It's not the other way around. Hail Advent. *Lifts Ryncol*
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