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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 22:55:27 GMT
dude, the human eye does not see a system way. Hell we can't even see mars from earth with out instruments. Take some consents of proportion. The parts the scourge we can see from the ship is far away and miles long. We would not see it in detail from a distance.that why ship sensor are used. The scourge covers systems. We would be in it before we sensed it. In Me3 we are given an Idea how far ships sensor go... And that is with a ship more advance then the ships in MEA. My point is that the scourge is so big that by the time we can sense it we are in it. Saying that we should see it from a distance misses the point that our eyes can't see farther then planet side with out help. We don't even see the scourge off the planet we are on in mea. I see. Everything in the night sky is less than a system away, and the Normandy's sensor ping in ME3 while avoiding Reapers is the best sensor range in the ME universe. My bad. 1. That is not may point nor what I said. I said things are farther and big then how you perceive it on the ship. so an arm of the scourge you see from the ship far is less then half a system away and it's many, many miles long. the range of the reach of the scourge goes for light years. 2.Yes, it is. You do remember the the Normandy can pretend to be a reaper. Added, having a smaller range of sensor is dangerous because you would need to use it more to find an object. More chance for the reapers to find the ship the more it's used. Added, no time in ME has the Normandy sense anything out side a systems range. point is you would be in it before you see it. It would be like an ant trying to understand what an elephant looks like by being on it. |
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Post by docklenator on May 13, 2017 23:27:58 GMT
That's complete speculation on your part. You have absolutely NO idea how a human body would react to breathing an atmosphere of that composition. It takes a very special mixture to sustain us, and too much of anything EXCEPT that builds to TOXIC levels in your blood stream. Also given that it takes very little time to lose consciousness without an adequate composition to breathe, unless he was holding his breath to begin with he was doomed on his first exhalation and he is rapidly breathing, RAPIDLY, accelerating this process. Again, the pressure is greater and his lungs are not decompressing (because he is drawing breath and speaking.) Experiencing a vacuum would have emptied his lungs completely and he would have been able to respirate AT ALL, not JUST the oxygen. (Again, not even 21% of our air composition.) Ryder jr WAS still conscious when the helmet was placed on him. Unfortunately having his air supply restored did NOTHING to restore his consciousness, ergo damage had been done besides simply not having oxygen. (Like several lung fulls of inhospitable atmosphere.) And Alec would have passed out very soon after passing his helmet to Ryder junior because HE'S BREATHING AIR THAT IS KILLING HIM. In absolutely NO way is anything being sucked out of his lungs, that would interrupt and HALT respiration if that were the case. Lastly, if the air HAD been sucked out of his lungs he more than likely would have stayed conscious LONGER than if he'd been replacing the oxygen in his blood stream with completely incompatible elements. Respiration would ACCELERATE the process of expunging the oxygen from his body, rather than just removing the single breath from his lungs. (One full breath can sustain the brain and its activity for CPR.) Either way its all moot. Habitat 7=2.3 atmospheres. Case closed. No pressure variance for the "oxygen" (and only the oxygen huh? Because that's how the physics of it work....riiiiiight) to displace and pull the oxygen (again ONLY the oxygen.... Huh. Weird.) from his lungs. Dude. I already went back into the game and checked. the atmosphere is argon and nitrogen, two element that in our atmosphere. none of them are harmful to breath not do they cause use to pass out in moments. And dude, it takes up to 4 mins for a person to pass out from lack of oxygen. Even if Alec breath in the air he is not going to pass out in secs. he would pass out at the minimum of 2 mins, at max 4. Sorry but nothing in the air would cause some one to pass out that quick. And Alec and Ryder are not exposed long enough for them to faint. and dude you know better then that to understand if anything is sucked out of the lungs it more then just oxygen. Regardless to say no matter how you cut it nothing in the atmosphere would cause anyone to black out like that. Since you like wikipedia here you go, every single way that you are WRONG. 1. www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.htmlYou will see that Argon makes up less than 1% of our atmosphere. Comparing Hab7's Argon content to Earth's is a non factor. However Nitrogen is in abundance. While Nitrogen DOES make up 78% of our atmosphere... 2. www.quora.com/Can-inhaling-pure-nitrogen-kill-someone Here you'll see a report about two real people on Earth. Breathing ANYTHING that isn't "air" as we know it, or a suitable replacement, will ABSOLUTELY kill you quick as hell. You're not just depriving your body of oxygen, but actively replacing it with elements your body cannot use to survive. On the subject of breathing... 3. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness Here you'll see plenty of pretty pictures detailing decompression. If the gasses were being PULLED from the Ryders' lungs, their lungs (pressurized bags) would collapse. If not in full collapse, the pressures outside the body being strong enough to force the air from their lungs would overcoming the lung's natural function, preventing them from inflating again (breathing in.) (Moot though. If the pressures were at the perfect difference to merely deflate the lungs but not cause other symptoms, the blood in his body would have still been oxygen rich-as opposed to BREATHING and replacing it.) 4. science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/ While trained people (not N7, but people whose job it is to hold their breath) have the record at 22 minutes, and that is after extensive training and then preparation for the event. (And that is HOLDING THEIR BREATH, NOT BREATHING A DEADLY ATMOSPHERE.) Unfortunately Alec nor Ryder fit that profile, while in good shape they are absolutely dependent on an air supply. They could realistically SURVIVE for the 6 minutes or so, if there were still oxygen in their blood stream... Unfortunately they replaced it all with Nitrogen and Argon after a few breaths resulting in.... 5. You could just read point 2 again, but for reference: yarchive.net/med/breathing_nitrogen.htmlThis details the well known fact that unconsciousness from breathing in harmful (AI: THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN) Can cause someone to pass out within seconds, not "four minutes." I have no idea where you got the idea that someone can asphyxiate while breathing oxygenless atmo for four minutes before they pass out. (BTW do yourself a favor and google "Argon Poisoning." Stuff can be dangerous. High concentrations require inversion to expel it from the lungs so Oxygen can process.) Anything else? |
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Post by dreman999 on May 13, 2017 23:42:10 GMT
Dude. I already went back into the game and checked. the atmosphere is argon and nitrogen, two element that in our atmosphere. none of them are harmful to breath not do they cause use to pass out in moments. And dude, it takes up to 4 mins for a person to pass out from lack of oxygen. Even if Alec breath in the air he is not going to pass out in secs. he would pass out at the minimum of 2 mins, at max 4. Sorry but nothing in the air would cause some one to pass out that quick. And Alec and Ryder are not exposed long enough for them to faint. and dude you know better then that to understand if anything is sucked out of the lungs it more then just oxygen. Regardless to say no matter how you cut it nothing in the atmosphere would cause anyone to black out like that. Since you like wikipedia here you go, every single way that you are WRONG. 1. www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.htmlYou will see that Argon makes up less than 1% of our atmosphere. Comparing Hab7's Argon content to Earth's is a non factor. However Nitrogen is in abundance. While Nitrogen DOES make up 78% of our atmosphere... 2. www.quora.com/Can-inhaling-pure-nitrogen-kill-someone Here you'll see a report about two real people on Earth. Breathing ANYTHING that isn't "air" as we know it, or a suitable replacement, will ABSOLUTELY kill you quick as hell. You're not just depriving your body of oxygen, but actively replacing it with elements your body cannot use to survive. On the subject of breathing... 3. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness Here you'll see plenty of pretty pictures detailing decompression. If the gasses were being PULLED from the Ryders' lungs, their lungs (pressurized bags) would collapse. If not in full collapse, the pressures outside the body being strong enough to force the air from their lungs would overcoming the lung's natural function, preventing them from inflating again (breathing in.) (Moot though. If the pressures were at the perfect difference to merely deflate the lungs but not cause other symptoms, the blood in his body would have still been oxygen rich-as opposed to BREATHING and replacing it.) 4. science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/ While trained people (not N7, but people whose job it is to hold their breath) have the record at 22 minutes, and that is after extensive training and then preparation for the event. (And that is HOLDING THEIR BREATH, NOT BREATHING A DEADLY ATMOSPHERE.) Unfortunately Alec nor Ryder fit that profile, while in good shape they are absolutely dependent on an air supply. They could realistically SURVIVE for the 6 minutes or so, if there were still oxygen in their blood stream... Unfortunately they replaced it all with Nitrogen and Argon after a few breaths resulting in.... 5. You could just read point 2 again, but for reference: yarchive.net/med/breathing_nitrogen.htmlThis details the well known fact that unconsciousness from breathing in harmful (AI: THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN) Can cause someone to pass out within seconds, not "four minutes." I have no idea where you got the idea that someone can asphyxiate while breathing oxygenless atmo for four minutes before they pass out. (BTW do yourself a favor and google "Argon Poisoning." Stuff can be dangerous. High concentrations require inversion to expel it from the lungs so Oxygen can process.) Anything else? 1. That's in enclosed environments. 2. That happen with gas exchange. You have to breath it in for the oxygen to get drown out. That would only explain Ryder passing out in secs not Alecpassing out in secs. 3.also argon is non poisons and only dangerous in inclosed area in our atmosphere. It can smoother us to death but we have to breath it in to do that. It then that 2 to 4 mins to kill us. We still have to breath it in. If Alec gave Ryder his helmet and held his breath for 2 to 3 mins he would not pass out. Not saying he could avoid dieing that way just that he could last long. 4. Also, astronaut of today go through decompression training. Why would that change 200 year to 600 years later?Alec would at the least know what to do to deter any effect that would cause him to pass out quickly. |
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Post by Obadiah on May 14, 2017 0:20:35 GMT
Anyway, looks like the rocks are floating due to "intense magnetic activity in unknown metallic elements interact[ing] with the storms...." |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:21:44 GMT
1. Enclosed environments on Earth are the only way this can occur. Habitat 7's entire atmosphere is like this. Wtf dude. 2. Alec and Ryder are both breathing the same air.... So no, it explains why both would succumb quickly after oxygen deprivation/asphyxiation. 3. Argon is EXACTLY as deadly as any oxygen deprived environment... Because its not oxygen. (Worse than nitrogen in that its HEAVIER than air. Once inhaled in large enough quantities, like an atmosphere full of it, breathing oxygen rich air is not enough to displace the Argon) Again, enclosed environment HERE, ON EARTH (hurr fuckity durr) because its not diluted by our atmosphere. (To draw it out for you, all of Habitat 7 would be an "enclosed" environment.) 4. Alec had displaced the oxygen in his blood stream by breathing. He only had seconds to save his son, who also only had seconds. Holding his breath would have only delayed his death (not going unconscious, where he would have begun breathing until he died) 5. Im sure they do undergo decompression training, like shutting your eyes and exhaling super hard! Unfortunately he didn't need to  because he WASN'T decompressing, which if the air was being sucked out of his lungs he WOULD have been! You finally get it, go have a cookie. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:26:53 GMT
Did you think that maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, the developers used a little bit of research and settled on an Argon/Nitrogen rich atmosphere specifically because that WOULD be deadly as allllll fuck? Possibly? Noooo... No of COURSE not.
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:30:10 GMT
Since you like wikipedia here you go, every single way that you are WRONG. 1. www.space.com/17683-earth-atmosphere.htmlYou will see that Argon makes up less than 1% of our atmosphere. Comparing Hab7's Argon content to Earth's is a non factor. However Nitrogen is in abundance. While Nitrogen DOES make up 78% of our atmosphere... 2. www.quora.com/Can-inhaling-pure-nitrogen-kill-someone Here you'll see a report about two real people on Earth. Breathing ANYTHING that isn't "air" as we know it, or a suitable replacement, will ABSOLUTELY kill you quick as hell. You're not just depriving your body of oxygen, but actively replacing it with elements your body cannot use to survive. On the subject of breathing... 3. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decompression_sickness Here you'll see plenty of pretty pictures detailing decompression. If the gasses were being PULLED from the Ryders' lungs, their lungs (pressurized bags) would collapse. If not in full collapse, the pressures outside the body being strong enough to force the air from their lungs would overcoming the lung's natural function, preventing them from inflating again (breathing in.) (Moot though. If the pressures were at the perfect difference to merely deflate the lungs but not cause other symptoms, the blood in his body would have still been oxygen rich-as opposed to BREATHING and replacing it.) 4. science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/ While trained people (not N7, but people whose job it is to hold their breath) have the record at 22 minutes, and that is after extensive training and then preparation for the event. (And that is HOLDING THEIR BREATH, NOT BREATHING A DEADLY ATMOSPHERE.) Unfortunately Alec nor Ryder fit that profile, while in good shape they are absolutely dependent on an air supply. They could realistically SURVIVE for the 6 minutes or so, if there were still oxygen in their blood stream... Unfortunately they replaced it all with Nitrogen and Argon after a few breaths resulting in.... 5. You could just read point 2 again, but for reference: yarchive.net/med/breathing_nitrogen.htmlThis details the well known fact that unconsciousness from breathing in harmful (AI: THINGS THAT DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OXYGEN) Can cause someone to pass out within seconds, not "four minutes." I have no idea where you got the idea that someone can asphyxiate while breathing oxygenless atmo for four minutes before they pass out. (BTW do yourself a favor and google "Argon Poisoning." Stuff can be dangerous. High concentrations require inversion to expel it from the lungs so Oxygen can process.) Anything else? 1. That's in enclosed environments. 2. That happen with gas exchange. You have to breath it in for the oxygen to get drown out. That would only explain Ryder passing out in secs not Alecpassing out in secs. 3.also argon is non poisons and only dangerous in inclosed area in our atmosphere. It can smoother us to death but we have to breath it in to do that. It then that 2 to 4 mins to kill us. We still have to breath it in. If Alec gave Ryder his helmet and held his breath for 2 to 3 mins he would not pass out. Not saying he could avoid dieing that way just that he could last long. 4. Also, astronaut of today go through decompression training. Why would that change 200 year to 600 years later?Alec would at the least know what to do to deter any effect that would cause him to pass out quickly. Because I forgot to quote you above. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 0:33:23 GMT
Argon is an asphyxiant that displaces oxygen in a high enough concentration.
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:38:56 GMT
Argon is an asphyxiant that displaces oxygen in a high enough concentration. and I said before. That explains Ryder. Not Alec. You need to go through gas exchange for it to put you down. That happened with Ryder no Alec. He need to breath it in and he knows this. He would not pass out in seconda knowing this. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:39:39 GMT
Argon is an asphyxiant that displaces oxygen in a high enough concentration. I told him to google Argon Poisoning. He didn't do it. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:40:46 GMT
Did you think that maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, the developers used a little bit of research and settled on an Argon/Nitrogen rich atmosphere specifically because that WOULD be deadly as allllll fuck? Possibly? Noooo... No of COURSE not. I'm not saying it's not deadly. I'm saying it would not pass you out in seconds. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:41:29 GMT
Argon is an asphyxiant that displaces oxygen in a high enough concentration. and I said before. That explains Ryder. Not Alec. You need to go through gas exchange for it to put you down. That happened with Ryder no Alec. He need to breath it in and he knows this. He would not pass out in seconda knowing this. He did breathe it in. They both did. This has been explained to you already. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:43:32 GMT
Argon is an asphyxiant that displaces oxygen in a high enough concentration. I told him to google Argon Poisoning. He didn't do it. I did. And you have to breath it in to have that effect. It's just Asphyxia. That mean you have to breath it in to have that effect. That would only explain Ryder not Alec. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:44:27 GMT
Did you think that maybe, juuuuuuust maybe, the developers used a little bit of research and settled on an Argon/Nitrogen rich atmosphere specifically because that WOULD be deadly as allllll fuck? Possibly? Noooo... No of COURSE not. I'm not saying it's not deadly. I'm saying it would not pass you out in seconds. No, it absolutely would. Just as quickly as stepping into a room full of it. Because its the entire atmosphere. All of it. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:46:13 GMT
I told him to google Argon Poisoning. He didn't do it. I did. And you have to breath it in to have that effect. It's just Asphyxia. That mean you have to breath it in to have that effect. That would only explain Ryder not Alec. Are you trying to say that Alec wasn't breathing the atmosphere? Because he very clearly did. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 0:46:47 GMT
I told him to google Argon Poisoning. He didn't do it. I did. And you have to breath it in to have that effect. It's just Asphyxia. That mean you have to breath it in to have that effect. That would only explain Ryder not Alec. Well, Alec having to communicate to SAM would explain it, since he made the snap decision to pass Pathfinder status to Ryder and to encrypt key memories. He wouldn't be able to hold his breath long enough for extraction. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:46:48 GMT
and I said before. That explains Ryder. Not Alec. You need to go through gas exchange for it to put you down. That happened with Ryder no Alec. He need to breath it in and he knows this. He would not pass out in seconda knowing this. He did breathe it in. They both did. This has been explained to you already. here's the thing Ryder breathed it in out of shock. Alec had his helmet on and knew the atmosphere is unbreathable. Ask your self this, if you knew the air was unbreathable and took off your helmet to give it to someone else, would you as a season n7 space marine breath the air know it's effects? |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:47:53 GMT
I'm not saying it's not deadly. I'm saying it would not pass you out in seconds. No, it absolutely would. Just as quickly as stepping into a room full of it. Because its the entire atmosphere. All of it. you have to breath it in first before it can do that. There's a thing call holding your breath. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:48:23 GMT
I'm not proud about it :/ |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:50:03 GMT
I did. And you have to breath it in to have that effect. It's just Asphyxia. That mean you have to breath it in to have that effect. That would only explain Ryder not Alec. Well, Alec having to communicate to SAM would explain it, since he made the snap decision to pass Pathfinder status to Ryder and to encrypt key memories. He wouldn't be able to hold his breath long enough for extraction. and that does not expel all the air out of the lungs. I can say that statement and still have air left in my lungs. I'mean not say he should of lived. I'mean just saying he should not pass out that quickly. |
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Post by KaiserShep on May 14, 2017 0:52:22 GMT
Well, Alec having to communicate to SAM would explain it, since he made the snap decision to pass Pathfinder status to Ryder and to encrypt key memories. He wouldn't be able to hold his breath long enough for extraction. and that does not expel all the air out of the lungs. I can say that statement and still have air left in my lungs. But isn't rescue still a few minutes out? What's the longest someone can hold their breath? I'm pretty sure I'd die even if I said nothing. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:52:59 GMT
I did. And you have to breath it in to have that effect. It's just Asphyxia. That mean you have to breath it in to have that effect. That would only explain Ryder not Alec. Are you trying to say that Alec wasn't breathing the atmosphere? Because he very clearly did. no, I'm saying it make no sense for him to allow himself to breath it in. |
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Post by docklenator on May 14, 2017 0:53:00 GMT
He did breathe it in. They both did. This has been explained to you already. here's the thing Ryder breathed it in out of shock. Alec had his helmet on and knew the atmosphere is unbreathable. Ask your self this, if you knew the air was unbreathable and took off your helmet to give it to someone else, would you as a season n7 space marine breath the air know it's effects? As a seasoned N7 who is getting old and knew holding my breath would possibly, at best, delay my death... Who wanted to die doing his job... I would probably use that time to explain some things to my son. Funny that, its exactly what Alec did. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 14, 2017 0:54:10 GMT
and that does not expel all the air out of the lungs. I can say that statement and still have air left in my lungs. But isn't rescue still a few minutes out? What's the longest someone can hold their breath? I'm pretty sure I'd die even if I said nothing. I added more to my response. My point is to not that he should live. Just that he should not of passed out as quickly. |
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because he WASN'T decompressing, which if the air was being sucked out of his lungs he WOULD have been! You finally get it, go have a cookie.
