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Post by themikefest on May 28, 2017 21:02:46 GMT
Well, ideally, all decisions should matter. Sadly with so many you can make, the odds of that ever happening is pretty low. They should, but don't Look at Garrus. If he's not recruited in ME1, and Kirrahe survives ME1, apparently both know each other if Garrus if taken to Sur'Kesh. How is that possible? I know its a very minor choice, but its still a choice.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2017 0:21:39 GMT
Seriously, you and I played ME enough to know what I mean when I bring up the geth/quarian arc and tuchancka arc in a conversion about choice mattering or not. I does not need to be explained. All can be resolved in the last game. It might be a little more difficult in terms of number crunching to achieve the same results if you started with ME3 and didn't have any saves from previous games, but every result was still possible. Mordin could be replaced by another Salarian as could Wrex by his brother. It's on the lines of black and white. Two possible outcomes for the Geth and two for Tuchanka. The final result, to be precise. The missions play out exactly the same until it comes to the final resolution. If either Legion or Tali is dead, peace between the quarians and geth cannot be achieved. I take it this is what you mean by "until it comes to the final resolution"? Note that while you can always choose whether or not to sabotage the genophage cure, you may have to shoot someone in the back to sabotage it, depending on previous choices. And do we really want to say that the krogan outcome is "the same" in all cases where the genophage is cured? That's tantamount to saying that the krogan leaders don't matter.
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Post by zaefkol on May 29, 2017 1:12:12 GMT
I think that for the most part our choices in the trilogy, minus a few missteps, did matter. Until the endgame. Which is where they should have mattered the most.
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Post by dreman999 on May 29, 2017 1:25:45 GMT
I think that for the most part our choices in the trilogy, minus a few missteps, did matter. Until the endgame. Which is where they should have mattered the most. Seriously, it's a shame bw did not even get it's own game with it's ending. They literally shipped the game with no ending. Nothing made sense.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2017 3:06:26 GMT
I think that for the most part our choices in the trilogy, minus a few missteps, did matter. Until the endgame. Which is where they should have mattered the most. Are you saying that the endgame choices didn't matter? Or just that the earlier choices didn't constrain the endgame choices much?
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2017 3:38:33 GMT
I think that for the most part our choices in the trilogy, minus a few missteps, did matter. Until the endgame. Which is where they should have mattered the most. Are you saying that the endgame choices didn't matter? Or just that the earlier choices didn't constrain the endgame choices much? Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing.
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Post by Mihura on May 29, 2017 3:40:29 GMT
Oh you mean nameless NPCs and Boss Battles? Well The Division, Most Ghost Recon games, lots Resident Evil. No, I mean the vast majority of enemies being the black analogue to FC5's enemies. And resident evil certainly suffered some of this as well btw, as was mentioned earlier in this thread.
The vast majority in Wild Lands Ghost Recon are latinos, Mexicans and so on and they are the drug lords, your PC is a North-American with the default promotion being a white guy. Ubi doing this is not one sided. Also in The Division you can be a white PC killing the black and latino NPCs, only the rogue military faction has the majority of white enemies.
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Post by R'Shara on May 29, 2017 4:16:53 GMT
Are you saying that the endgame choices didn't matter? Or just that the earlier choices didn't constrain the endgame choices much? Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 29, 2017 7:36:16 GMT
Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid. This is sort of how I felt going to save Joker.
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Post by zaeedisking on May 29, 2017 8:55:43 GMT
Went into this thread with an open mind... came out like
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Post by Psychevore on May 29, 2017 9:31:45 GMT
That's why I asked for links. Got any? It's not that I'm accusing you of lying, but you haven't struck me as having any particular interest in facts lately, so I'd like to see the evidence. I can't be arsed to look for these particular comments again, you could try looking for them yourself (not that you will admit to finding such even if you did...). I wonder which "facts" I have no interest in, usually it's the regressive faction that tends to find facts and stats "offensive".
Besides, it's useless to pretend that these creatures don't exist, even Bioware had their in-house version of such creature.
Weren't you 'always looking for a real discussion'? Well, here's your chance, but as usual you decide to dogde the question again and try to put words into other people's mouths. And you'd think you'd actually go for this one, as you can finally talk about those idiots on Twitter some more, which is what you've made this entire fucking topic about. You sir, you're a troll.
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Post by Psychevore on May 29, 2017 9:48:33 GMT
Weren't you 'always looking for a real discussion'? Well, here's your chance, but as usual you decide to dogde the question again and try to put words into other people's mouths. And you'd think you'd actually go for this one, as you can finally talk about those idiots on Twitter some more, which is what you've made this entire fucking topic about. You sir, you're a troll. Nah. There's simply no point. We've already established that you disagree with them, no? So what would be the point in me wasting my time to look for idiotic comments on twitter? I commented on something I saw, that's it. It wasn't anything too unusual either, it's more or less the same tone of racist comments people like Manveer Heir tend to make, while pretending that their brand of racism smells like roses.
If you are uncomfortable with me raising this issue, maybe you should ask yourself why.
This isn't a "real discussion" because there's very little to discuss here, even you claimed that you don't disagree with me in regards to such a comment.
If you want a more in-depth discussion on politics and ideology, that's something I'll be happy to engage in (and often do), but we should probably move this discussion from this poor thread, an actual serious discussion deserves more than to be cut short by a thread-lock.
Because I'm not the one you were replying to, but you replied to AlanC9. I responded though because I saw you doing your troll dance again. The last part of your post is absolutely hilarious though. You are the one in this thread making claims about some idiots on twitter, page after page, but when asked to provide proof of these statements you think we should all move to a different topic or even format. You sir, you're a troll.
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Post by Reorte on May 29, 2017 9:59:30 GMT
Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid. It's not stupid which messes up the journey, which is why I like ME2 despite all the tension turning into a facepalm at the sight of the Reaper Baby. ME3 went for more than stupid.
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Post by R'Shara on May 29, 2017 18:15:55 GMT
The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid. It's not stupid which messes up the journey, which is why I like ME2 despite all the tension turning into a facepalm at the sight of the Reaper Baby. ME3 went for more than stupid. Yes, it was more than stupid, but that's not as pithy Yes, sometimes the journey is what's important. But when the destination is utterly ridiculous, pointless, stupid and cringeworthy, it colors the entire journey with that feeling. Red, green, and blue, as a matter of fact. Also the outright lies and insults.
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Post by alanc9 on May 29, 2017 18:26:34 GMT
Are you saying that the endgame choices didn't matter? Or just that the earlier choices didn't constrain the endgame choices much? Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. I don't quite follow how you're using "narrow" there. The three (or rather, four) primary endings are all very different from one another. And even within a particular ending there are variations depending on earlier choices -- were the quarians destroyed in Control or not, for instance.
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Post by dreman999 on May 29, 2017 21:25:21 GMT
Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid. near all my friends and loved one in ME are alive. All races survived and the reapers have been stopped. i'm fine with that post extended cut.
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Post by Furisco on May 29, 2017 22:11:03 GMT
I was ready to throw a bait. But looks like someone else did it before me and already got everyone in this thread sucking each other's dicks.
Welp... Back to playing that bigot polish game.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 29, 2017 23:43:43 GMT
Pretty much all of the choices led to somewhere. However, while the path might meander in different ways it ultimately leads to a very narrow path. I don't see that as problematic. You just have to take it as an "it's the journey, not the destination" type of thing. I don't quite follow how you're using "narrow" there. The three (or rather, four) primary endings are all very different from one another. And even within a particular ending there are variations depending on earlier choices -- were the quarians destroyed in Control or not, for instance. Yes, but those choices by and large have little to do with what you did throughout the game. EMS mattered, but you could be full Renegade and have high EMS (I think - never did it) and full Paragon with low EMS. I'm not making a complaint about the endings, if that's what you were thinking. I'm just saying that the story HAD an ending(s) and saving the Rachni in ME1 wasn't going to lead to some vastly different outcome at the end of ME3. At best, it led to gain or loss of war assets. Some people had a problem with that, as if saying "my choices didn't matter". I'm saying they did matter, just not in the ways some had hoped.
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Post by R'Shara on May 30, 2017 0:21:11 GMT
The journey feels pointless when the destination is stupid. near all my friends and loved one in ME are alive. All races survived and the reapers have been stopped. i'm fine with that post extended cut. This doesn't need to turn into "Why ME3 Sucked Thread #983748374" so I'll just say, good for you. To me, the entire game was a craphaul. Mods *might* make it worthwhile to replay, but meh.
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Post by dreman999 on May 30, 2017 0:34:09 GMT
near all my friends and loved one in ME are alive. All races survived and the reapers have been stopped. i'm fine with that post extended cut. This doesn't need to turn into "Why ME3 Sucked Thread #983748374" so I'll just say, good for you. To me, the entire game was a craphaul. Mods *might* make it worthwhile to replay, but meh. For me no other game has ever pulled my heartstrings. Each play through ether moved me, shocked me, or left me laughing and crying. I want no more war, changed from a soft hearted paragon to a harden paragade, wonder if i had any honor left after the horrible things I've done, despair at losing all I gain after I lost everything before, and regretted the choices i made because I did not consider the little people I hurt by them .....But that ending is so flawed.
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Post by themikefest on May 30, 2017 3:14:19 GMT
, but you could be full Renegade and have high EMS (I think - never did it) I have. Many times. Click on the playthrough in my signature
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Post by alanc9 on May 30, 2017 4:25:15 GMT
I don't quite follow how you're using "narrow" there. The three (or rather, four) primary endings are all very different from one another. And even within a particular ending there are variations depending on earlier choices -- were the quarians destroyed in Control or not, for instance. Yes, but those choices by and large have little to do with what you did throughout the game. EMS mattered, but you could be full Renegade and have high EMS (I think - never did it) and full Paragon with low EMS. I'm not making a complaint about the endings, if that's what you were thinking. I'm just saying that the story HAD an ending(s) and saving the Rachni in ME1 wasn't going to lead to some vastly different outcome at the end of ME3. At best, it led to gain or loss of war assets. Some people had a problem with that, as if saying "my choices didn't matter". I'm saying they did matter, just not in the ways some had hoped. Gotcha. ME3's ending choices worked the way ending choices worked in every Bio game ever -- well, except for the games without ending choices in the first place. I don't know why anyone expected anything different.
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Post by R'Shara on May 30, 2017 4:34:19 GMT
This doesn't need to turn into "Why ME3 Sucked Thread #983748374" so I'll just say, good for you. To me, the entire game was a craphaul. Mods *might* make it worthwhile to replay, but meh. For me no other game has ever pulled my heartstrings. Each play through ether moved me, shocked me, or left me laughing and crying. I want no more war, changed from a soft hearted paragon to a harden paragade, wonder if i had any honor left after the horrible things I've done, despair at losing all I gain after I lost everything before, and regretted the choices i made because I did not consider the little people I hurt by them .....But that ending is so flawed. If you take the writing individually, sure. But total and unexplained (or badly explained) character reversals does not a good sequel make. And other things. Anyway. Meh. Really have to stop now, otherwise I will go on for pages (again).
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