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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 17:47:01 GMT
Your wrong. I am talking about investors....you know....the people that fund their projects and give them capital. If I was an investor I could careless what the internet thinks, I want to know how well it did, especially since their last game was 2014 GOTY. You think EA will ignore the investors just to not come across as arrogant? You must not know the Business and Investor relationship. And as I said, EA can totally inform their investors without telling the public about the sales. They can absolutely do that, this way they inform the investors but at the same time they don't piss off the internet. Lol so now a billion dollar company cannot publicly make it known to investors or potential investors on something as simple as saying how well it sold? This is Mass Effect we are talking about! Why be ashamed of it?
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Post by malgus on Jun 12, 2017 17:57:53 GMT
And as I said, EA can totally inform their investors without telling the public about the sales. They can absolutely do that, this way they inform the investors but at the same time they don't piss off the internet. Lol so now a billion dollar company cannot publicly make it known to investors or potential investors on something as simple as saying how well it sold? This is Mass Effect we are talking about! Why be ashamed of it? Its not about being ahsamed of it, its about how PR fucking works. And seeing how well it did for randy picthford to rub in the faces of the people who were angry at alien colonial marines or duke nukem forever to hide behind good sales, especially when people are angry at you... that is not something that pleases people, it makes them more angry. And more anger towards your game is never a good thing. As long as an investor knows the sales and profits, why would he care that the public won't know about it? It would certainly not be the first time the public is left in the shadow about what happen in the game industry.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 18:15:25 GMT
Lol so now a billion dollar company cannot publicly make it known to investors or potential investors on something as simple as saying how well it sold? This is Mass Effect we are talking about! Why be ashamed of it? Its not about being ahsamed of it, its about how PR fucking works. And seeing how well it did for randy picthford to rub in the faces of the people who were angry at alien colonial marines or duke nukem forever to hide behind good sales, especially when people are angry at you... that is not something that pleases people, it makes them more angry. And more anger towards your game is never a good thing. As long as an investor knows the sales and profits, why would he care that the public won't know about it? It would certainly not be the first time the public is left in the shadow about what happen in the game industry. Nah, DAI setting launch records for Bioware was a pretty large accomplishment. If MEA eclipsed DAI's record I doubt that would be something EA just stays mute on. Besides, EA has a history of not avoiding certain statments despite the potential PR blowback. It is not in the nature of EA and I do not know what is so different about MEA that would make EA start caring now.
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Post by malgus on Jun 12, 2017 18:19:07 GMT
Its not about being ahsamed of it, its about how PR fucking works. And seeing how well it did for randy picthford to rub in the faces of the people who were angry at alien colonial marines or duke nukem forever to hide behind good sales, especially when people are angry at you... that is not something that pleases people, it makes them more angry. And more anger towards your game is never a good thing. As long as an investor knows the sales and profits, why would he care that the public won't know about it? It would certainly not be the first time the public is left in the shadow about what happen in the game industry. Nah, DAI setting launch records for Bioware was a pretty large accomplishment. If MEA eclipsed DAI's record I doubt that would be something EA just stays mute on. Besides, EA has a history of not avoiding certain statments despite the potential PR blowback. It is not in the nature of EA and I do not know what is so different about MEA that would make EA start caring now. DAI was released with critical aclaim and no controversy, so there was no backlash to be scared about the sales. Besides, EA has learned to care more about its PR with years of being trashed upon and declared the worst company in america 2 years in a row, a company changing their habits to have a better reputation is not something new.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 18:50:39 GMT
Nah, DAI setting launch records for Bioware was a pretty large accomplishment. If MEA eclipsed DAI's record I doubt that would be something EA just stays mute on. Besides, EA has a history of not avoiding certain statments despite the potential PR blowback. It is not in the nature of EA and I do not know what is so different about MEA that would make EA start caring now. a company changing their habits to have a better reputation is not something new. And MEA isnt helping to improve that reputation....
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Post by malgus on Jun 12, 2017 18:51:52 GMT
a company changing their habits to have a better reputation is not something new. And MEA isnt helping to improve that reputation.... Neither did DA 2...
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 19:22:28 GMT
And MEA isnt helping to improve that reputation.... Neither did DA 2... Did DA2 have the same amount of hype and expectations as MEA? Did DA2 have the same budget as MEA? Was DA2 meant to change the subject from the endings of DAO?
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Post by London on Jun 12, 2017 19:28:36 GMT
Could be because a lot of people didn't think it was an above average game. This.
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Post by malgus on Jun 12, 2017 19:35:14 GMT
Did DA2 have the same amount of hype and expectations as MEA? Did DA2 have the same budget as MEA? Was DA2 meant to change the subject from the endings of DAO? I already told you about the ending of ME 3, yes those ending did made a problem, BUT for the most part, people have got over with it. Lot of people have been warming up to ME 3 once the extended cut was released, lot of people were satisfied with this new ending. You do remember that the popular saying was "ME 3 was perfect until the last 10 minutes", the problem people had with the game was the conclusion not the rest of the journey which for many was just magnificient. And with the releases of the dlc citadel and leviathan, way more people have been warming up to the game and today if ME 3 was released with all its dlc, it would not be as trashed as it used to be, it is now considered way differently than it was at release. Sure there is always the people obsessed about it but for the most part, people have gotten over with it, especially with the dlcs both paid one and the free one. So when MEA came out, a lot of people were mostly positive because bioware ended on a high note with the citadel dlc that they just freaking loved. DAI on the other hand... the last memory people had was DA 2, which did not had people warmed up to it with free or paid dlc. None of that happen, no high notes for DA 2 until DAI came out. And yes DA 2 had a lot of pressure, DAO was the sucessor to the legendary baldur's gate, it was the game that push the narratives further, so yeah there might have been more pressure on MEA in terms of money and quality, but there was also a lot on DA 2 and it failed on those exceptations and no you did not wanted to be a DA 2 defender on any forums or anywhere on the internet at that moment, it was THE game to trash. And in terms of money as I said before, if the 40 million budget is accurate, they already their money, not the huge sucess they hoped to make but definetely enough to make a profit, and since the engine is already built, well an eventual sequel would be chaeper to make since they have a fondation already there, no needs to build from scratch. And maybe I should recall you the story of tomb raider 2013, the game did not made profits immediatly, it took time to make because square enix was excepting 6 million sales, and they only got 3,4 millions at the beginning, even the CEO resign for this. But with times and 2 years later, the sales rised up to 8,5 million sales and did they made a profits, it also made sure that the eventual sequel would be cheaper to make. Which happen 2 years later with rise of the tomb raider, even if the publisher still had to wait until they make a profit. Publisher do now know that the games are not like they used to be, before the physical sales were the majority of the sales was done at the beginning, because digital was not as popular and after a week used sales came into play. but right now game becoming better and better with times, many people have started to wait until buying it, wait until it was patched and publisher knows that the profits does not always lies at release.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 12, 2017 19:44:58 GMT
Did DA2 have the same amount of hype and expectations as MEA? Did DA2 have the same budget as MEA? Was DA2 meant to change the subject from the endings of DAO? snip So you are saying with a straight face that the bar that MEA had to cross was the same bar that DA2 had? We are talking about DA2 coming after 1 game and MEA coming after 3 games. At this point you are just being defiant cause you like many others here cannot fathom the idea of MEA not living up to expectations so in order to find common ground, you point towards the negative reception of DA2 along with the positive reception of the follow up, DAI as some sort of case study to how MEA's failure is not enough to cause EA to put the Mass Effect brand asside. I guess you have to find hope somehow....
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Post by malgus on Jun 12, 2017 20:10:57 GMT
So you are saying with a straight face that the bar that MEA had to cross was the same bar that DA2 had? We are talking about DA2 coming after 1 game and MEA coming after 3 games. At this point you are just being defiant cause you like many others here cannot fathom the idea of MEA not living up to expectations so in order to find common ground, you point towards the negative reception of DA2 along with the positive reception of the follow up, DAI as some sort of case study to how MEA's failure is not enough to cause EA to put the Mass Effect brand asside. I guess you have to find hope somehow.... No, MEA probably had higher exceptation in terms of money, but it also probably made more and will make more since right now game makes money throught time and not only at releases. And since when do we measure the pressure in types of numbers of game before? Does any assassin's creed have to live up to more exceptation because its the game in the franchise than MEA who only had 3 before it? Does suddenly far cry 5 have to live up to huge exceptation only because its the fifth? does far cry have 5 times the exceptation because its the fifth? Do we multiply the exceptation depending on the number of installment? It does not work like that, exceptation are based on the last tastes people had of a franchise before the new games comes out and if the predecessor was not too old for their to remember. The last of us 2 is going to have to live up to the exceptations of the fans of the previous one, this game had won so many GOTY awards and was the critical acclaim of 2013, and its only a four year old franchise. And if you count in terms of previous instalements, well DAO was the sucessor to the legendary baldur's gate that has tons of nostalgia around it for more than 20 years, they had to live up all this exceptation when it came mout because if DA 2 was not well liked, it did not only not lived up to to DAO but to more than 20 years of legacy and nostalgia of those very well loved rpg.
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