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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 1, 2017 13:32:36 GMT
The Kett as a whole aren't very intimidating. The Turian Hierarchy alone could crush the Kett from what we've seen. So that doesn't make for a very scary threat IMO. The problem with the kett "And by extension, the Archon) is that they were essentially Reaper-lite. They go around "ascending" species with a fanatical, almost robotic devotion to some twisted ideal. ... like Walters and his whole Synthesis kick. (takes a deep drag) "Merde..."
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Post by Furisco on Aug 1, 2017 15:49:12 GMT
Well done cliche villains are the best type of villains.
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Post by Warrick on Aug 1, 2017 22:22:30 GMT
You consider Loghain an inferior antagonist? Well, I'm certainly going to disagree here. The thought that the Archon is somehow better than him just has me shaking my head... But yes, some of the other points you made are valid. Loghain was a rubbing his hand together and twirling his evil mustache with murdering glee pretty much throughout the entire game, you could practically hear him laughing 'muhahaha'...and then at the end they shoe horned in some half baked back story to try and make us sympathetic to him in the end? No thanks. This isn't true. Loghain was uneasy in Ostagar. When you ask about Cailan, Loghain says he's a very young man. You can tell he thinks Cailan is a punk but won't say it. When he commands retreat, he's sombre. Glee is the opposite of what he shows. After Ostagar, again he's uneasy by certain actions taken. He disagrees with nobles about Orlesian help because he fought against Orlais for independence. When Howe introduces Zevran, he's disgusted. "Assassins...? Just get it done". Again, no glee. Finally, if you conscript him, he will stand his ground and plainly make his case when confronted by others like Wynne. He is aware that he has done terrible things and he has arguments as to why they were necessary (arguments we can disagree with). He's my favourite type of renegade: a guy who made the difficult calls because he thought they needed to be made and lives with ghosts from the past haunting him - yet still fights on. I think you might not be remembering DA:O very well.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 1, 2017 22:28:03 GMT
Loghain was a rubbing his hand together and twirling his evil mustache with murdering glee pretty much throughout the entire game, you could practically hear him laughing 'muhahaha'...and then at the end they shoe horned in some half baked back story to try and make us sympathetic to him in the end? No thanks. That's certainly not the impression I got. I thought that he was someone highly pragmatic that became frustrated and disillusioned with that man-child of a king. He seemed actually fairly realistic in a historical perspective. I agree. Loghain is an honorable hero who grew tired of seeing King Maric's son trying to put history aside for personal glory. He is also a father who saw his daughter being replaced by an Orlesian queen. The writing behind Loghain was great as well as the voice actor. His second, voiced by Tim Curry, was exceptional. Colfoley still nailed it with his thread. The Archon needed more and Colfoley explained it well. A perfect example of constructive criticism.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 1, 2017 23:31:17 GMT
Loghain was a rubbing his hand together and twirling his evil mustache with murdering glee pretty much throughout the entire game, you could practically hear him laughing 'muhahaha'...and then at the end they shoe horned in some half baked back story to try and make us sympathetic to him in the end? No thanks. This isn't true. Loghain was uneasy in Ostagar. When you ask about Cailan, Loghain says he's a very young man. You can tell he thinks Cailan is a punk but won't say it. When he commands retreat, he's sombre. Glee is the opposite of what he shows. After Ostagar, again he's uneasy by certain actions taken. He disagrees with nobles about Orlesian help because he fought against Orlais for independence. When Howe introduces Zevran, he's disgusted. "Assassins...? Just get it done". Again, no glee. Finally, if you conscript him, he will stand his ground and plainly make his case when confronted by others like Wynne. He is aware that he has done terrible things and he has arguments as to why they were necessary (arguments we can disagree with). He's my favourite type of renegade: a guy who made the difficult calls because he thought they needed to be made and lives with ghosts from the past haunting him - yet still fights on. I think you might not be remembering DA:O very well. [/quote] its possible. DAO is my.least liked bioware game and its possible I've misinterpreted some of his looks... BUT Everything he does in DAO is wrong, counterproductive, tyrannical and evil. Why? Because the Orleseans were mean to him. Sorry for putting it that way but that's the way it came off. He was a horrible,incompetent, moron...and after he puts the Warden through hell they try and shoehorn in some reason to be sympathetic? Again no thanks....off with his head.
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Post by Guts on Aug 1, 2017 23:40:01 GMT
Well done cliche villains are the best type of villains. Would DIO count in this case? WRYYYYYYYYYYY
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 1, 2017 23:48:36 GMT
You know making the Archon a young kett probably would have solved ninety nine percent of his problems. Actually he reminds me of Satan (or at the very least a fallen angel/demon type creature) especially when he's got the wires hooked up to him that looks like demon wings (to me at least), during the final battle with him.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 3:36:00 GMT
Like others have mentioned, the Archon had no depth....i was reading a few pages back about the debate of the Collectors....yes they was basically henchmen of the Reapers, but later on in the game you find out that they was originally the protheans who was a powerful and intelligent race in their own respect. It added another layer to the Reaper threat in that they was taking down power players in the universe and transforming them into brutal killers...and the build up to the Collectors was handled perfectly within the first few minutes of ME2...mysterious, powerful and now we are going to kidnap humans at their colonies with basically no opposition. They was a force to be reckoned with and the game again, made it so within the first few minutes. People on those colonies was running and HIDING from the Collectors whereas our interaction with the Kett?.....we mopped the floor with them in our initial fight with them and as others have mentioned, a lowly fire-armed crew ran them off a planet and held it.....who is going to fear these clowns? Agreed on what you said. This is how you do a villain IMHO. (Yes I am a Berserk fanboy)
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Post by Warrick on Aug 2, 2017 9:33:39 GMT
its possible. DAO is my.least liked bioware game and its possible I've misinterpreted some of his looks... BUT *snip* I didn't say you had to agree with him, just that your initial description of him was very inaccurate. We can talk a lot about Loghain. He's got a past, a family, a personality, a political persuasion... He's got layers. The Archon is a talking collector.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:33:53 GMT
its possible. DAO is my.least liked bioware game and its possible I've misinterpreted some of his looks... BUT Everything he does in DAO is wrong, counterproductive, tyrannical and evil. Why? Because the Orleseans were mean to him. Sorry for putting it that way but that's the way it came off. He was a horrible,incompetent, moron...and after he puts the Warden through hell they try and shoehorn in some reason to be sympathetic? Again no thanks....off with his head. I'm not quite sure how you managed to miss all of this - maybe because you don't care for DAO in general, but... Loghain was the Hero of River Dane, the battle that turned the tide in helping Ferelden to finally oust the Orlesians from their 78 year long occupation of the country. Previously a commoner, his support of King Maric in freeing Ferelden from Orlesian rule is what motivated Maric to appoint him the Teryn of Gwaren and what brought him into the role of General of the King's armies. Loghain's dislike/distrust of everything Orlesian is not without reason. He also carried some misgivings toward the Wardens, largely due to Sophia Dryden's rebellion. Following the events at Soldier's Peak, the Grey Wardens were banned from Ferelden for the next 200 years, until King Maric allowed their presence once again. Loghain did not understand that only a Warden could slay the archdemon, did not believe that it was truly a blight, and felt that Cailan's romanticized notions about riding in with the Wardens to defeat the blight were foolhardy. He did propose an alternate plan at Ostagar, which Cailan rejected. The bottom line is that Loghain took it upon himself to protect Ferelden - from Orlesian influence, from the darkspawn, from an impetuous young King whose judgement he questioned. He genuinely believed that he was doing the right thing, making the hard decisions, doing what had to be done, etc. Whether he knew of Arl Howe's intention to overthrow the Couslands before the fact is... subject to debate. In any case, Loghain was every bit as complex of a villain as any other I've ever seen in any of the other titles - including Meredith, the Arishok, Saren, TIM, etc.
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Post by Life is Strange on Aug 21, 2017 0:43:42 GMT
The Archon was a complete failure, I did not fear him, I actually laughed at how pathetic he was, his design was generic and boring. No, only mordingrimes comments are a complete failure! ^^
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