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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 1:07:02 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped.
I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be?
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Post by antmarch456 on Aug 20, 2017 1:20:55 GMT
"WE CAN ACCEPT NOW THAT ANDROMDA WAS A FAILURE."
Sorry, but personally I'm not part of this "we", because I didn't think it was a failure. Though to answer your question, I still consider it canon.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 20, 2017 1:22:43 GMT
BioWare considers it as canon until they say otherwise.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 20, 2017 1:25:15 GMT
" WE CAN ACCEPT NOW THAT ANDROMDA WAS A FAILURE." Sorry, but personally I'm not part of this "we", because I didn't think it was a failure. Though to answer your question, I still consider it canon. Andromeda... 1) Resulted in an entire studio being shuttered. Bioware Montreal will never make another game again. 2) Represents a game with zero DLC - a first for the series. How can that not be considered a failure? You can still like something on a personal level and have it be a failure.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 20, 2017 1:25:38 GMT
Andromeda doesn't exist to me canon wise, has nothing to do with it being good or bad but with so many things that make no sense. How do we get there? There really isn't any tech to do that previously but now there is? What of the biotic display on the Asari Ark? Did they just get super charged to shield an ENTIRE ship? Andromeda plays around way to much with Lore for it to be serious canon to me.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 20, 2017 1:27:48 GMT
Why wouldn't it be canon? It doesn't matter what some random person considers it to be, it only matters what the Bioware's loremasters have to say on the subject. If Bioware released a short where Female Commander Shepard dances the Charleston on the graves of her dead squadmates while wearing a sailor suit, and says "This is the canon of Mass Effect," boom, that's it. It's canon, no bones about it. Doesn't matter if you like it or you hate it. It happened, it's real, that's all.
I have never played Andromeda and even so, I would still treat it as canon. Bioware's done nothing to suggest otherwise.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 1:31:01 GMT
Bio should canonize Extreme Indoctrination Theory.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 1:32:10 GMT
That is Casey Hudson. And after him Drew Karpyshyn. Neither worked in Andromeda. At least not in any significant capacity.
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Post by Saboru on Aug 20, 2017 1:32:17 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped. I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? Welcome to the wonderful world of scifi fandom, let me tell you of our ways. You don't get to drop things because they're not successful, make no sense, contradict what has gone before, are universally hated or are just plain insane. And this game doesn't even tick most of those categories. Nope, you have to live with it, incorporate it and if necessary create a multiverse or alternate timeline so you can pretend it took place elsewhere and continue with the story as you wish it had happened. You used to be able to agree to never speak of it again, but then we got the internet, so that's buggered. Sorry, them's the rules.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 20, 2017 1:32:22 GMT
No, we can not all accept that it's a failure. Despite the bad press it got over inane issues, plenty of people enjoyed it and all evidence points to it being a financial success, although not as strong a success as was expected.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 20, 2017 1:32:52 GMT
Canon has always been an interesting concept with BioWare games...so...sure?
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Post by suikoden on Aug 20, 2017 1:36:43 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped. I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? Welcome to the wonderful world of scifi fandom, let me tell you of our ways. You don't get to drop things because they're not successful, make no sense, contradict what has gone before, are universally hated or are just plain insane. And this game doesn't even tick most of those categories. Nope, you have to live with it, incorporate it and if necessary create a multiverse or alternate timeline so you can pretend it took place elsewhere and continue with the story as you wish it had happened. You used to be able to agree to never speak of it again, but then we got the internet, so that's buggered. Sorry, them's the rules. KOTOR 1-2 aren't canon, and those were actually good games. Don't see why the same couldn't apply to a bad game like Andromeda. Knowing Bioware, they'll say something like "we'll leave it to the fans to interpret whether or not Andromeda is canon"
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Post by Monica21 on Aug 20, 2017 1:38:36 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped. I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? What possible effect does it have on the original trilogy to claim it is or it isn't? It literally has zero effect on gameplay or story. At what point am I going to pause in the middle of ME2 and think, "Hey, Skippy, this is when the arks were almost finished. I'm now going to do x instead of y."
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 20, 2017 1:38:51 GMT
It's canon unless BioWare says otherwise, it's their IP.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Aug 20, 2017 1:39:19 GMT
It's canon unless BioWare retcons it or consider it AU.
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Post by bigbad on Aug 20, 2017 1:40:54 GMT
I will not be expending any mental energy worrying about whether MEA is canon or not. What I probably will be doing is ignoring it on all subsequent Mass Effect playthroughs.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 20, 2017 1:43:44 GMT
That is Casey Hudson. And after him Drew Karpyshyn. Neither worked in Andromeda. At least not in any significant capacity. Then it's Casey's call, or Drew's, or whoever else with authority speaks on the subject. They don't have to work on it though. As long as they say it's canon, then that's the end of it.
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Post by Saboru on Aug 20, 2017 1:45:55 GMT
Welcome to the wonderful world of scifi fandom, let me tell you of our ways. You don't get to drop things because they're not successful, make no sense, contradict what has gone before, are universally hated or are just plain insane. And this game doesn't even tick most of those categories. Nope, you have to live with it, incorporate it and if necessary create a multiverse or alternate timeline so you can pretend it took place elsewhere and continue with the story as you wish it had happened. You used to be able to agree to never speak of it again, but then we got the internet, so that's buggered. Sorry, them's the rules. KOTOR 1-2 aren't canon, and those were actually good games. Don't see why the same couldn't apply to a bad game like Andromeda. Knowing Bioware, they'll say something like "we'll leave it to the fans to interpret whether or not Andromeda is canon" Canon is a business decision. This was a question for the players. There's a reason I said fandom.
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Post by henkiedepost on Aug 20, 2017 1:46:32 GMT
Hmmm. If we are going to get MEA2 it has to be canon for the setting to make sense. If the next game is set in the Milky Way it doesn't really matter.
So it depends on the setting of the next game I guess.
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Post by Monica21 on Aug 20, 2017 1:47:50 GMT
Okay, I'll ask the question again. At what point in the OT does it fucking matter if there are arks being built? How could that possibly affect your gameplay?
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Post by apocalypticham on Aug 20, 2017 1:54:45 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped. I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? Welcome to the wonderful world of scifi fandom, let me tell you of our ways. You don't get to drop things because they're not successful, make no sense, contradict what has gone before, are universally hated or are just plain insane. And this game doesn't even tick most of those categories. Nope, you have to live with it, incorporate it and if necessary create a multiverse or alternate timeline so you can pretend it took place elsewhere and continue with the story as you wish it had happened. You used to be able to agree to never speak of it again, but then we got the internet, so that's buggered. Sorry, them's the rules. I see Bioware and its fandom are heading into Marvel's direction. Earth-156186415441531531864856, Earth-519854616486463156153156, Earth-4564561563156415616516516, etc.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 20, 2017 1:55:36 GMT
Welcome to the wonderful world of scifi fandom, let me tell you of our ways. You don't get to drop things because they're not successful, make no sense, contradict what has gone before, are universally hated or are just plain insane. And this game doesn't even tick most of those categories. Nope, you have to live with it, incorporate it and if necessary create a multiverse or alternate timeline so you can pretend it took place elsewhere and continue with the story as you wish it had happened. You used to be able to agree to never speak of it again, but then we got the internet, so that's buggered. Sorry, them's the rules. KOTOR 1-2 aren't canon, and those were actually good games. Don't see why the same couldn't apply to a bad game like Andromeda. Knowing Bioware, they'll say something like "we'll leave it to the fans to interpret whether or not Andromeda is canon" This fits pretty well with Monica21's point, actually. If a hypothetical ME5 is set in the MW, ME:A just won't come up.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 1:56:19 GMT
That is Casey Hudson. And after him Drew Karpyshyn. Neither worked in Andromeda. At least not in any significant capacity. Then it's Casey's call, or Drew's, or whoever else with authority speaks on the subject. They don't have to work on it though. As long as they say it's canon, then that's the end of it. Fair enough. But Casey Hudson never said Andromeda is canon. He had a minimal role in the game.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 20, 2017 1:56:54 GMT
I don't give a lemon tree about "canon", but I probably won't play it again and would rather re-play the trilogy. The idea of Ryder and co running around Andromeda while my Shepard is stopping the Reapers doesn't bother me.
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Post by Seera1024 on Aug 20, 2017 2:02:19 GMT
Just because a game doesn't get planned DLC or further updates doesn't mean that it's a failure. Just that it wasn't a huge success.
We don't know the exact reasons why it was cancelled. It could have been due to reshuffling of priorities due to the new director at Bioware.
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