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Post by Croatsky on Aug 20, 2017 12:01:43 GMT
It is canon, whatever you like it or not. Deal with it. Nope. One thing that Andromeda didn't butcher is the fact that Mass Effect is still your story. And so I feel I can consider that my story is as it was meant to be, with no Arks, no magic driver, no nothing of Andromeda. But if you can quote me a passage from the OT talking about the Arks I'd change my mind. Denial is strong in you.
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 12:26:32 GMT
I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? I will play it as it is, period. Without caring about MEA, since it doesn't play any role in the OT. And, as opposed to MEA, I will replay it at some time. MEA has commited harakiri, as far as replay value is concerned. Too many lose threads left dangling like a torn shirt.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 14:26:02 GMT
I think it is canon to the franchise. Having issues with its writing doesn't make it less canon.
However I can see a few different approaches, if the series continues:
1)Continue on with Andromeda full steam, though hopefully with a better vision and implementation. It'd be nice to release in 2020-2021 then, so its still fresh enough in memories.
2)Continue on with Andromeda (named such or not), but minimize the importance of MEA (make it like a particularly epic pre-service history) as it takes a different direction. This is most likely imo, but only among many possibilities.
3)'Retreat' to the Milky Way and treat MEA as an optional path that may or may not be recognized or followed up on in the future, but not denied.
Of course I can see more approaches instead, like a MP or MMO shooter, or whatever, but these just make me shudder, as I'd want the SP on a strong footing before going anywhere else.
I don't see Bioware, in a next ME game, to be completely ignoring anything of any part of MEA (effective non-canon). It happened, it mattered, it is more a matter of how much MEA is recognized and continued from.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 20, 2017 14:31:48 GMT
It is canon unless the franchise gets a hard reboot and even then it is canon for this continuity.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Aug 20, 2017 14:39:02 GMT
I do not accept that Andromeda was a 'failure', and it's canon whether you like it or not.
Nothing about Andromeda was a retcon or a reboot; yes the plot jumped through some hoops to justify it's setting, but nothing about how we get to Andromeda breaks the lore of the original trilogy or impacts the experience of playing through it again.
If knowing Andromeda is canon spoils your enjoyment of games you claim to love so much that are 5-10 years old, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by Monica21 on Aug 20, 2017 16:15:17 GMT
Nope. One thing that Andromeda didn't butcher is the fact that Mass Effect is still your story. And so I feel I can consider that my story is as it was meant to be, with no Arks, no magic driver, no nothing of Andromeda. But if you can quote me a passage from the OT talking about the Arks I'd change my mind. There is literally nothing in the OT that requires you to change how you play or believe something different because of the Andromeda Initiative. You're acting like there's this huge impact on gameplay, and then you mention a fucking drive core, which has what kind of impact on story? What the actual hell? Why can you not play the OT as it is and still have Andromeda sitting out there?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 20, 2017 16:18:11 GMT
" WE CAN ACCEPT NOW THAT ANDROMDA WAS A FAILURE." Sorry, but personally I'm not part of this "we", because I didn't think it was a failure. Though to answer your question, I still consider it canon. I agree and I consider it canon yes
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Post by kino on Aug 20, 2017 16:20:23 GMT
Yep. Definitely happened in the ME Universe, definitely canon.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Aug 20, 2017 16:24:09 GMT
I'd like to think that the only canon for me was that Shepard was not fighting against reapers alone and plans for the future of the Milky Way races were made.
I can not make any canon of a story what have not been completed. It always ends with the questions on my part. What happened to Jien Garson? Who are the Jaardans?
Really, the game was so unlogical too me that it feels like a Shepard's bad dream.
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Post by guanxi on Aug 20, 2017 16:42:10 GMT
Mass Effect Galaxy and Mass Effect Infiltrator are also canon. Just sayin'.
It's a spin-off game, not a main series entry. As with Halo and Star Wars - there are only 3 that actually matter, the rest are optional.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 20, 2017 16:45:54 GMT
Forgot canon. Maybe this whole cluster with AI will be utterly destroyed by Jaardan, Scourge, Kett or someone else and and that end it will not really matter it is canon or not. Some books are still one the way, maybe there is a plan. Maybe it will be even better for ME series if AI will fail at some point.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 20, 2017 16:58:33 GMT
The game is part of the ME universe....this is not some crazy marvel comics scenario where this is happening in an "alternate reality".... . The series can redeem itself with another game that implements a strong story with interesting characters. Now it can be an issue because another forum member stated that even if Andromeda 2 is a really great game, the negative backlash that was associated with the first game might put past fans and newly acquired fans to not look at this title altogether. Maybe with some slick marketing in saying that "From the team that brought you the ME trilogy...comes Andromeda 2" or something along those lines, maybe they would be able to attract current fans and acquire new fans, but i feel the game is canon and again one mediocre game in the series does not doom this franchise, they can easily redeem themselves with a strong sequel...
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 20, 2017 17:01:46 GMT
The game is part of the ME universe....this is not some crazy marvel comics scenario where this is happening in an "alternate reality".... . The series can redeem itself with another game that implements a strong story with interesting characters. Now it can be an issue because another forum member stated that even if Andromeda 2 is a really great game, the negative backlash that was associated with the first game might put past fans and newly acquired fans to not look at this title altogether. Maybe with some slick marketing in saying that "From the team that brought you the ME trilogy...comes Andromeda 2" or something along those lines, maybe they would be able to attract current fans and acquire new fans, but i feel the game is canon and again one mediocre game in the series does not doom this franchise, they can easily redeem themselves with a strong sequel... I am sure that people responsible spend xx hours discussing what will be better for ME future. It seems Andromeda is not the way. In my opinion it is even better, as not many people would like to continue that story in, let's guess, 5-6 years from now. Some new opening/restart will suit ME much better. But dissapointed with lack of MEA DLC, as Ryder's story deserves some closure.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 20, 2017 17:04:24 GMT
It is canon, whatever you like it or not. Deal with it. Nope. One thing that Andromeda didn't butcher is the fact that Mass Effect is still your story. And so I feel I can consider that my story is as it was meant to be, with no Arks, no magic driver, no nothing of Andromeda. But if you can quote me a passage from the OT talking about the Arks I'd change my mind. This isn't really a matter of opinion, though. It doesn't matter what you like, how you feel, or even whether or not the original trilogy makes any mention of anything in this in the first place. The events happen, the various technologies exist, and the game acknowledges the events of the original trilogy's universe. If instead of Andromeda, we got a direct sequel to ME3 that got the inevitable and necessary retcons to function properly, that would also be canon, even if it altered a lot of things to go forward.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 20, 2017 17:10:55 GMT
We can all agree on lots of things as long as we ignore all the people that don't.
I never cared enough about the idea of extending the trilogy to be invested in the idea. So it wasn't a failure from my perspective, but I didn't expect much from it in the first place.
It wasn't a financial failure, albeit it wasn't as successful as they would have liked.
I suppose there was a failure in storytelling, but it's awfully selective to start holding video game writing to standards we typically don't expect from the industry in any other genre.
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Post by DoctorFox on Aug 20, 2017 17:14:55 GMT
The "Andromeda Initiative" never made sense. It was a huge, major retcon so Bioware could get a fresh start and do a soft reboot... yet that soft reboot has failed and has already been dropped. I wonder then, when you play the original trilogy, the true Mass Effect, will you consider Andromeda canon or play it as it was meant to be? It was canon, just not direct canon since the Arks departed between ME2 and ME3. I would say it's more of a Spin-off.
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Post by LilTIM on Aug 20, 2017 17:16:58 GMT
My personal canon includes ME1 and ME2(no arrival dlc).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 17:19:40 GMT
My personal canon includes ME1 and ME2(no arrival dlc). What didn't you like about Arrival? I thought it was a really good dlc. Being able to talk to Harbinger felt like it had some weight behind your decision.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Aug 20, 2017 17:23:20 GMT
Of course the game is canon. I accept it as that next game int he Mass Effect line that, unfortunately, wasn't able to get more support in the form of DLC.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 17:28:13 GMT
Nope. One thing that Andromeda didn't butcher is the fact that Mass Effect is still your story. And so I feel I can consider that my story is as it was meant to be, with no Arks, no magic driver, no nothing of Andromeda. But if you can quote me a passage from the OT talking about the Arks I'd change my mind. This isn't really a matter of opinion, though. It doesn't matter what you like, how you feel, or even whether or not the original trilogy makes any mention of anything in this in the first place. The events happen, the various technologies exist, and the game acknowledges the events of the original trilogy's universe. If instead of Andromeda, we got a direct sequel to ME3 that got the inevitable and necessary retcons to function properly, that would also be canon, even if it altered a lot of things to go forward. I prefer to believe it's not part of it. It's a retcon and a dead end. I understand what you're saying. But playing the trilogy without considering Andromeda, as it was until the game was announced, makes more sense to me. And as there is not a single mention of it in the OT, I'm not really denying anything in the trilogy proper. It's a personal matter, I was just curious to see if other people thought the same way.
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Post by Monica21 on Aug 20, 2017 17:41:55 GMT
I prefer to believe it's not part of it. It's a retcon and a dead end. I understand what you're saying. But playing the trilogy without considering Andromeda, as it was until the game was announced, makes more sense to me. And as there is not a single mention of it in the OT, I'm not really denying anything in the trilogy proper. It's a personal matter, I was just curious to see if other people thought the same way. And you have yet to state how anything you do in the OT would change or be different if you consider Andromeda to be canon. So it doesn't matter if it's canon or not.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 17:44:19 GMT
I prefer to believe it's not part of it. It's a retcon and a dead end. I understand what you're saying. But playing the trilogy without considering Andromeda, as it was until the game was announced, makes more sense to me. And as there is not a single mention of it in the OT, I'm not really denying anything in the trilogy proper. It's a personal matter, I was just curious to see if other people thought the same way. And you have yet to state how anything you do in the OT would change or be different if you consider Andromeda to be canon. So it doesn't matter if it's canon or not. For example, knowing the Krogans will live in Andromeda might make one more likely to deploy the genophage. Or kill off the Quarians.
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Post by Monica21 on Aug 20, 2017 17:53:08 GMT
And you have yet to state how anything you do in the OT would change or be different if you consider Andromeda to be canon. So it doesn't matter if it's canon or not. For example, knowing the Krogans will live in Andromeda might make one more likely to deploy the genophage. Or kill off the Quarians. The arks have left by the time you make those decisions.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 20, 2017 17:55:14 GMT
"We?" Speak for yourself please.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 20, 2017 17:59:03 GMT
Please don't speak for me. You are welcome to your own opinions, but yours are not any more correct then mine and I think Andromeda was far from a failure it was mostly a disappointment and for a lot of different reasons then I believe yours is.
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