We can accept now that Andromda was a failure. But do you consider it canon?

It's funny that you talk about not knowing what things mean

I already stated that my post was an answer to the OP. That's the end of it. If you have a problem with it, I can do nothing about it. *shrug*

End of Line. 

Like I was saying, arguments about what is canon is nothing new.

I've already seen the older nerds getting into long debates about 'true canon' for Star Wars and other series. You're wrong.

If anything, millennials are more accepting that canon shifts depending on media.

Star Wars 'canon' was such a mess and the fandom had to create several layers for it. Just to be 'true'.

1) Although Bioware/EA pulled the plug and the game had some issues at launch, I don't consider the game itself a failure (but I do consider Bioware's/EA's policy about the game and support a failure). I enjoyed it and had fun while it lasted.

2) It's an official ME game made by Bioware and not a fan game. So i don't see why it shouldn't be canon.

again you should read before commenting. the assertion of this thread is "one man's canon is another's apocrypha" basically and that's not true. you're arguing a point I'm not even making. some people believe that because they dont' like ME:A it's not official canon. that's wrong. that's the point. It's canon whether you like it or not. read.

Is this thread canon?

The notion of "doesn't count cause I said so" is a millenial thing. this is coming from a Gen X-r. I did read, thank you. And once again my point is just because you don't like something doesn't suddenly make it not canon. If it's canon for me it's canon for you and everyone else.

And my perspective is that ME was always pretty stupid. ME:A added a couple of whoppers, but if stupidity bothered me I wouldn't have been here to see them.

So I guess we agree on the topic. It's canon.

Its like you, ironically, ignore history.

Bioware already told us how they do canon anyway.

ME1 is canon to ME2. ME2 is canon to ME3. ME3 is canon to MEA.

Generally. Except in some cases. Dying in a Game Over is canon to the game you're in, but its a stupid ending and you should reload. 'Romancing' Morinth is canon to your ME2 but its not anything of ME3. Shepard Dies in ME2 is the same thing, where we'd have to headcanon or fanfic what would happen with the Reapers and Milky Way after.

We can certainly, for now at least, choose to imagine MEA as a non-canon offshoot to the MET. In many functional ways, it effectively is. However, MEA itself doesn't do that, and likely most to all future media won't do that either. You can go 'lalala' and stick to MET and ignore the rest of the franchise, and I'd say that's okay and all, but it doesn't affect how Bioware treats canon internally. You're not likely to get a next game that considers MEA to not happen. At most, you'd get a next game that barely references MEA and even when it does, it might do so in a handwavey retcony way. But I don't expect this. I expect that in any future game, MEA will have happened and mattered, though perhaps not as much as if MEA was a super successful game for Bioware (and perhaps not even than, seeing how SWTOR treated KOTOR, and such).

There's Dragon Age secondary media that pretends you took a particular story path in the games, but all Bioware asks for us is that we just headcanon an alternate story for that if applicable. Mass Effect secondary media doesn't seem to go that far, but it does do a 'Shepard/Ryder wasn't there/wasn't relevant so this thing happened but we can ignore that it happened for the most part, most times' sorta thing. If the Ark book sucks, we can pretend it never happened. But it did. But screw the details, if we want them to go away.


This mentality also helps a lot of people when navigating other fandoms like Star Wars 'Legends' continuities (or lack thereof). There's writers that are ignorant of, or outright hostile to what was previously 'canon'. This especially happens in Doctor Who, to the point that arguing about canon is pointless because the writers themselves consistently do not factor it in except in particular cheesy twists and references. But fact is, MET games were canon to MEA and MEA will likely be canon to any future main title so get used to it. Oh no, the ODSY drive! Whatever. It happened.

Canon? Not so much. An escape from the end of the original trilogy? Absolutely.

Who is this "we?" Not me and many many others. Stop assuming we all agree with you.