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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 12:17:39 GMT
Is this the kind of thread I should copy over and save due to the BioWARE forum going down? Because it's awesome? And the same in terms of Comrade Shepard's Guide to all things I really want to know? Nobody is going to be unhappy if I copy paste them in the Guide Sections? Pretty much exactly that for me, though I have not gotten over to the Soldier yet. Basically, I am planning not to promote my Vanguard but keep him on level 20 once i get there (he went from 12 to 16 yesterday), because I like the 6/0/6/6/6 build copied over from Commander Shepard's Guide a lot, and do not care for re-levelling from scratch now. For Bronze Tier - without being able to bind dodge rolls L/R to something other than A/D + Spacebar & overall reflexes thing, I'll just die too much in higher tiers. I think I will be able to get the 'after the leap' roll & shoot in Bronze without waiting out long enough for the firepower to soften the cluster-f**ks. Or, at least, it will be great fun to keep trying. I will start relevelling either Engineer or Sentinel to prep one of them to get into Silver and see how that feels after I can put over 30K damage/be on 2nd line in Bronze consistently. @ Everyone's commenting on the Raptor/Mantis - basically, good folks, I just can't use the Sniper Rifle, that's all that is to it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 1:42:39 GMT
Ah-ha-ha. I think my Vanguard just carried a game gods know how on his mighty level 19. I think I fell into the 3 games with the folks just like I, very new. Overall, we tried to stick together and do everything we can in our Bronze tier, and the first couple of game we all came very close, all in 40 damage, pretty cool against Geth. But the last one, ye gods. We clawed that extraction through the brutes and banshees... We were losing our KroLord to Brutes, and one of our guys was literally level 1. I barely lived through the stupid defense of the damned terminal (the slowest ever, because it was just two of us left, and I had to jump out to kill and heal myself). I loved cowering back to back with an asari adept for those last few second of the upload. Very heroic. I used both medigels, charged like a crazy person at Banshee and a Brute combo closing on our extraction point, and lived through it by rolling around a crate... but yeah, I have never seen my name on the first line with 60K damage before. I went for F11, but it did not screenshot it I know, I know, everyone hates Manguards (I am sure my teammates thought I was a total annoying idiot), but I had never had more adrenaline pumping game. Maybe it's a good noob class, because it's stupid-powerful.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Oct 20, 2016 9:58:12 GMT
Most of them tread are allready saved, look in the library here to find the link to the saved library. If u find usefull threads on the bioware forum, pleas copy paste them here too ! Saving good thread wld be appreciated. Is this the kind of thread I should copy over and save due to the BioWARE forum going down? Because it's awesome? And the same in terms of Comrade Shepard's Guide to all things I really want to know? Nobody is going to be unhappy if I copy paste them in the Guide Sections?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 13:51:54 GMT
I've saved it just in case. I haven't seen it reposted in the guilde section so far.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 16:04:49 GMT
Or, perhaps, I should promote each Human character, including the Manguard, and then level the First row of the species, because I now have all of them, save for the Turian Sentinel? I will avoid the infiltrator, obviously, and see how Soldier goes.
EDIT: And stay in the Bronze Tier. I mean, what do I need in the Silver anyway?
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Post by Darth Dennis on Oct 21, 2016 8:00:50 GMT
And stay in the Bronze Tier. I mean, what do I need in the Silver anyway? If you want to do Silver, use the Salarian Engineer. Energy Drain and Incinerate is a good combination for tech bursts. Energy Drain will keep you alive in the harder difficulties, especially with the Armor Boost rank 6 option when draining synthetics, shelds and barriers to give you a good bit of damage reduction.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 13:48:38 GMT
And stay in the Bronze Tier. I mean, what do I need in the Silver anyway? If you want to do Silver, use the Salarian Engineer. Energy Drain and Incinerate is a good combination for tech bursts. Energy Drain will keep you alive in the harder difficulties, especially with the Armor Boost rank 6 option when draining synthetics, shelds and barriers to give you a good bit of damage reduction. That sounds good. I already put 4 points in decoy, so I will have to relevel him twice -he is level 8 now. I also now have Drell Adept, so I want to try him in bronze too.i think I am only a game away from 20 with my Vanguard, so only the Soldier to try as a human left. I like that I will see faces on other species, I know it's not really a valid consideration, and silly but well, it's nice imo. Hey, they should sell cosmetic heads for humans for Andromeda, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 16:47:27 GMT
If someone has a moment, can "silver" mods go on "blue" guns? What will happen once I start getting the silver mods? Will I just have extra choices for each gun to scroll through?
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Post by budhalen on Oct 21, 2016 17:48:16 GMT
If someone has a moment, can "silver" mods go on "blue" guns? What will happen once I start getting the silver mods? Will I just have extra choices for each gun to scroll through? TY. Yep, all weapon mods can go on any weapon within that class.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 21:34:26 GMT
Thank you! (Waves) Well, I tried the Soldier for 3 warzones, and basically it is worse than the Infiltrator. We basically wiped in 2/3 zones, and in a hugely due to my non-contribution. So, I think, now know Here is my noob rating of all the Basic Human classes in terms of EoU: Engineer>Sentinel>Vanguard >> Adept >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infiltrator>Soldier
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 23, 2016 4:47:49 GMT
^ Not super surprising.. Soldier and Infiltrator are both basically weapons specialists, and so they're pretty dependent upon having some (at least moderately) decent guns. Engie/Sentinel/Vanguard/Adept can all do a pretty good deal of damage using just their powers, so not having a good gun isn't as big of a hindrance.
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Post by kpeter on Oct 23, 2016 8:23:11 GMT
^ Not super surprising.. Soldier and Infiltrator are both basically weapons specialists, and so they're pretty dependent upon having some (at least moderately) decent guns. Engie/Sentinel/Vanguard/Adept can all do a pretty good deal of damage using just their powers, so not having a good gun isn't as big of a hindrance. agree, but as i said, and i do not like to repeat myself. this game is a whole lot different once we can use those heavy hitting guns. Mantis is very capable tough if we make it a double shot with adrenalin rush. Even on gold. The only thing it lacks is boss killing capabilites. It surely can do it, but slow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 13:36:51 GMT
Well, the thing is, as a noob, I can't really shoot, so I do the best on the classes that rely on the powers the heaviest. So, the sniper rifle is out of the question, I simply can't aim and shoot in any sort of non-useless way (I try to be sophisticated, and use zoom, etc, but in the end I just hope I hit). And the soldier, honestly, I might not have even been there. I don't know if there are magic guns in the higher tiers that makes it easier to hit stuff, but since I do not have them, I am happy to just rely on powers. I did noticeably better on the Vanguard actually, because it does gigantic damages and teleport freely around the map, so you do less clueless wandering around the map pondering where the spawn is. I'd put him as the easiest to play, but the trick to it is when not to use Nova, how to dodge while you are waiting for the next leap/Barrier recharge and how to not overextend. And, because it is so easy to overextend and die, Engi & Senti are more noob-friendly. Also Vanguard is really hard when you get the "protect the upload" objectives (of course you get them in triplicate when you play it, lol) On higher levels all three human classes can shoot powers non-stop without aiming too well with a modicum of mobility build in.So, yeah, I think they are awesome for a noob. As usual, well done, BioWARE! EDIT: Actually, playing Soldier was not without its benefits! Half the video, Comrade Shepard's friend in the Guide was experiencing the 'cannot reload/cannot climb/cannot do damage bug" & he managed to fix it with heavy melee. So did I after it re-occurred for me. Funny thing is, just like for him, the weapon then goes into uber crazy fully charged mode.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Oct 23, 2016 15:03:21 GMT
Well, the thing is, as a noob, I can't really shoot, so I do the best on the classes that rely on the powers the heaviest. So, the sniper rifle is out of the question, I simply can't aim and shoot in any sort of non-useless way I'm not a noob, but I can't shoot straight either For infiltrators: - the quarian female and salarian infiltrators have powers (Sabotage and Energy Drain respectively) that hit instantly and hold targets still for a moment, giving you a little time to line up your shot. Cloak, cast power, shoot;
- you might find that you prefer the Viper sniper rifle over the Mantis. Each shot does much less damage, but you have six shots in the clip and a lightning-fast reload, so it is much more forgiving of missed shots.
So you have some options once you've unlocked some more characters and guns. That said, the vanilla humans never stop being fun; they just get more fun as your weapon choices expand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 16:26:45 GMT
The trouble with vanilla human is the helmets I am trying species choices right nw, and by some reason it is more fun to see the face. Well, and drell/salarian also have the voice sets that make things incredibly fun. Yeah, I know it is out of the left field. Overall though, there is no class that is as much fun in bronze for me as a basic Human Vanguard I am curious if they will keep the basic six humans very similar in Andromeda MP. ???
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 23, 2016 16:53:59 GMT
Well, the thing is, as a noob, I can't really shoot, so I do the best on the classes that rely on the powers the heaviest. So, the sniper rifle is out of the question, I simply can't aim and shoot in any sort of non-useless way (I try to be sophisticated, and use zoom, etc, but in the end I just hope I hit). And the soldier, honestly, I might not have even been there. I don't know if there are magic guns in the higher tiers that makes it easier to hit stuff, but since I do not have them, I am happy to just rely on powers. Yeah and this isn't really the ideal game for aiming/pure weapons classes anyways, between all the screenshake and the lag/framerate/offhost issues. Heck, after a couple thousand hours of play, a manifest that was maxed long, long ago, and countless gold and platinum solos, I still can't aim for shit... so I feel your pain. And there actually are some "magic guns" in the higher tiers- in particular, projectile weapons that have an area of effect, so you can shoot it at the enemies feet, bounce it off the ground/walls/ceiling, hit groups of enemies, and generally have a larger margin for aiming error (guns like the Acolyte, Venom, Scorpion, Falcon). The Reegar probably qualifies as a "magic gun" too, since its basically a short-range flamethrower, and it also has the most insanely out of control/overpowered damage in the game (almost twice as much damage/sec as the next most powerful gun in the game, IIRC), and shotguns in general are obviously a bit easier to hit stuff with, provided you're at close range (it also helps that waxing enemies with shotguns is incredibly satisfying, and the shotgun class includes most of the very best guns in the game- Raider, Claymore, Venom, etc.)
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Post by nastrodamus on Oct 23, 2016 18:57:51 GMT
Well, the thing is, as a noob, I can't really shoot, so I do the best on the classes that rely on the powers the heaviest. So, the sniper rifle is out of the question, I simply can't aim and shoot in any sort of non-useless way I'm not a noob, but I can't shoot straight either For infiltrators: - the quarian female and salarian infiltrators have powers (Sabotage and Energy Drain respectively) that hit instantly and hold targets still for a moment, giving you a little time to line up your shot. Cloak, cast power, shoot;
- you might find that you prefer the Viper sniper rifle over the Mantis. Each shot does much less damage, but you have six shots in the clip and a lightning-fast reload, so it is much more forgiving of missed shots.
So you have some options once you've unlocked some more characters and guns. That said, the vanilla humans never stop being fun; they just get more fun as your weapon choices expand. If you are looking for powers, the asari huntress hasn't been mentioned. She has the best dark channel in the game and can self detonate like every asari. Her cloak is makes her dark channel become Biotic Ebola. I've taken down scions pretty quick with nothing more than dc and track shoes. She has a few viable builds too. The one use has decent cool down since your cloak takes care of that for you and the ppr w/ warp ammo. You can also use incendiary for extra cheese. Once you get more good stuff, I would recommend the black widow. The thing just pounds out the punishment. the rof is kinda of slow but the sheer power makes up for it. Not too mention the thing is full auto. On full auto it shoots slightly faster than the scimitar on full auto. There is also the valiant. This one is somewhere between the bw and viper. best rof of the semi auto snipers IMO, decent weight and damage and lightning fast reload. The Javelin does loads of single shot damage, but requires alot of skill to use and is best used by a gi to make the most of it. That ramp up makes many pass it over in favor of the bw. If you get tired of the scopes, there is the saber. Semi auto and has double the valiant clip and just a hair more damage per shot (only just).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 19:10:31 GMT
Cool, the game actually has magic guns Well, I'll just keep playing and see how it goes. The game certainly does not lack choices.
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Post by JGDD on Oct 23, 2016 19:23:02 GMT
*snip* She has a few viable builds too. Sadly, few people use one of her best abilites.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2016 22:53:05 GMT
I'd pass on asari, just not a big fan of the race
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Post by kpeter on Oct 24, 2016 11:40:11 GMT
Just because you can't aim it doesn't mean what you say is true. Because you couldn't be more wrong. This game is ideal for all. Weapon and power classes too.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Oct 24, 2016 12:38:51 GMT
Just because you can't aim it doesn't mean what you say is true. Because you couldn't be more wrong. This game is ideal for all. Weapon and power classes too. q5 couldn't be more wrong? I laugh in your general direction mate. I haven't tried to quote him for fear of messing it up, but the first sentence of his post is absolutely irrefutable. The game is a complete mess, technically, but we make the best of it because we're all a little addicted to the ME Universe. The game may be ideal for all eventually, but ability to aim isn't much of a factor if you only have a pea-shooter to begin with. And especially in the context of this thread, I thought it was already beyond much debate that the power-dependent characters are easier for noobs to learn with. You have to either get very lucky with your welcome pack or strike lucky early on to get a decent weapon other than the Mantis. Those of us who know what we're doing will happily take the Mantis to Gold or even Plat, and I even have one alt which is exclusively for trolling those levels with the Avenger, but learning how the game works on Bronze with the Engineer, Adept or Vanguard is pretty much the way to go initially, for an overwhelming majority of players. I would add the Infiltrator personally, but not because of the potential for damage output so much as the ability to stay alive.
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Post by kpeter on Oct 24, 2016 12:55:28 GMT
Dont mess things please. He said this:
"Yeah and this isn't really the ideal game for aiming/pure weapons classes anyways"
He said it in general, not in context with anything else. Not in context how powers are easier for beginners,or anything else, just simply that this game sucks for weapon classes.
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