inherit
57
0
1
33,695
SofaJockey
Not a jockey. Has a sofa.
13,368
August 2016
sofajockey
SofaJockey
SofaJockey
6000
7164
|
Post by SofaJockey on Feb 6, 2019 18:45:59 GMT
You are not a moderator, don't tell people how to post. Forum members may, on occasion, suggest how others should post, if they do so civilly. Just as in your last post you are suggesting how people should not post. If they are only brief derailments and remain courteous I personally see no harm in either.
|
|
inherit
Champion of the Raven Queen
605
0
3,489
maximusarael020
1,651
August 2016
maximusarael020
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
MaximusArael020
|
Post by maximusarael020 on Feb 6, 2019 18:46:06 GMT
The words of the developer means nothing? Their reasoning for why they made a design choice is immediately suspect? I'm sure that not everything they say can be taken as 100% gospel, however in the face of no contradictory proof, their assertions about their own game stand stronger than any thoughts to the contrary without any evidence. Sorry, I don't watch random videos on forums without context or description. That's how you get "2 girls 1cup"ped. If you want to explain why you posted said video and why it fits into the discussion, that would be ideal.
|
|
inherit
7836
0
2,286
shinobiwan
1,171
Apr 19, 2017 19:26:11 GMT
April 2017
shinobiwan
|
Post by shinobiwan on Feb 6, 2019 18:50:11 GMT
Sorry, I don't watch random videos on forums without context or description. That's how you get "2 girls 1cup"ped. If you want to explain why you posted said video and why it fits into the discussion, that would be ideal. Most people can see the thumbnail, so you're on your own here. FYI it's worse than two girls one cup to bioware fans.
|
|
inherit
1869
0
1
Sept 19, 2024 1:52:22 GMT
7,350
regack
coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee
2,977
Oct 27, 2016 19:49:57 GMT
October 2016
regack
Top
https://bsn.boards.net/posts/recent
https://i.imgur.com/oatOJzT.png
Regack
|
Post by regack on Feb 6, 2019 19:10:33 GMT
Sorry, I don't watch random videos on forums without context or description. That's how you get "2 girls 1cup"ped. If you want to explain why you posted said video and why it fits into the discussion, that would be ideal. I admire your consistency in this matter. Sorry, I don't watch random videos on forums without context or description. That's how you get "2 girls 1cup"ped. If you want to explain why you posted said video and why it fits into the discussion, that would be ideal. Most people can see the thumbnail, so you're on your own here. FYI it's worse than two girls one cup to bioware fans. I will give maximusarael020 the benefit of the doubt there, as you can put whatever thumbnail you want on youtube clip. For the sake of my own entertainment value, let me explain the video: VIDEO TITLE: Mass Effect 3 : Your Choices Matter OPENING SHOT: Glamor headhost of Casey Hudson MUSIC PLAYS : Little Lies, by Fleetwood Mac *tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies*VIDEO: static image of Casey Hudson slowly zooms in on his face My personal commentary: The only thing missing at the end of the video was this: But this thread is about Anthem, so moving on, I hate to see content REMOVED from the game... things that let me customize my character... but I don't know if that was even meant to be a part of how it worked from the start. At least there IS the possibility of adding it later... but that might be a case of too little, too late.
|
|
inherit
Ohm's Law Compels You
207
0
19,211
Qui-Gon GlenN7
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
5,762
August 2016
quigonglenn
Bottom
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
qui_gon_glenn
2108
|
Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 6, 2019 20:03:15 GMT
Thanks Regack.
I don't post videos to random shit, unless it's the YouTube thread. You will not get cupped by me.
The point was that BioWare has lied many times in the past, and that taking their word for granted is a good way to get scorched.
That does not make a conspiracy theory valid by itself. But it also doesn't help BioWare and their reputation for honesty and accountability. Thus, it fits the thread pretty well overall.
Yes, every new game is a chance to remake their image. Until they do so, they absolutely can and should be held accountable for their transgressions in the past.
Removing an RPG element from this game actually makes sense. It is not an RPG in any sense, so it should not create false mechanisms. Just be the looter shooter you are and stop pretending.
|
|
inherit
The Smiling Knight
538
0
23,485
smilesja
14,326
August 2016
smilesja
|
Post by smilesja on Feb 6, 2019 20:04:37 GMT
You shouldn’t be taking any game devs word for granted to be honest.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
Deleted
inherit
guest@proboards.com
5402
0
Deleted
0
January 1970
Deleted
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2019 20:12:30 GMT
You shouldn’t be taking any game devs word for granted to be honest. And you shouldn't be taking all the devs word they're going to actually follow what they actually say... People can have a balance. It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other.
|
|
inherit
1869
0
1
Sept 19, 2024 1:52:22 GMT
7,350
regack
coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee coffee
2,977
Oct 27, 2016 19:49:57 GMT
October 2016
regack
Top
https://bsn.boards.net/posts/recent
https://i.imgur.com/oatOJzT.png
Regack
|
Post by regack on Feb 6, 2019 20:18:30 GMT
Removing an RPG element from this game actually makes sense. It is not an RPG in any sense, so it should not create false mechanisms. Just be the looter shooter you are and stop pretending. Okay, I have to admit that you just completely flipped my head here... this is not the point of view I'd been looking at it from, in spite of knowing everything up to now. Thank you, really, it's like... the lights just went on in my head.
|
|
inherit
Ohm's Law Compels You
207
0
19,211
Qui-Gon GlenN7
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.
5,762
August 2016
quigonglenn
Bottom
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire
qui_gon_glenn
2108
|
Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Feb 6, 2019 20:25:01 GMT
Like a certain scoundrel we all know and love, I have my moments
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Jun 12, 2024 13:49:30 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 6, 2019 20:39:38 GMT
That's not the problem of the skill tree. That's the problem of the people that developed it. And they can put it back once they have a better version. It's a "Live Service" game allowing them to do things they were never able to do prior to "Anthem". Except it will be too late. You can’t patch in something that impacts progression after a bunch of people have already achieved max level. Not unless you want to set the internet on fire.
|
|
inherit
7106
0
4,137
samhain444
1,669
April 2017
samhain444
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by samhain444 on Feb 6, 2019 20:45:32 GMT
And they can put it back once they have a better version. It's a "Live Service" game allowing them to do things they were never able to do prior to "Anthem". Except it will be too late. You can’t patch in something that impacts progression after a bunch of people have already achieved max level. Not unless you want to set the internet on fire. Or add in retroactive to your progression level and achievements. The game is always online and it's not like they can't tell us everything that is happening during your time in their server including the amount of grabbits you smoke. Not saying they do add it later...maybe they don't, but if the skill tree is not there with launch it's likely a good thing since it was either 1) irrelevant to your overall power in the game or 2) an annoyance that gave you more tinkering and didn't contribute much...maybe a combo of both.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Jun 12, 2024 13:49:30 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 6, 2019 20:47:11 GMT
I also think there should be more RPG going in Fort Tarsis. With quests and political intrigue, and complex social interaction and this could open up opportunities for social skills. This is never going to happen. All the Fort Tarsis stuff that's in the game is basically a value-added proposition for Anthem. It is not the main focus of the game. The meat of the game is basically everything that happens outside of the fort. Adding what you suggested would basically turn Anthem into a different game, to the point where it would just be better to make a new game with those features rather than trying to shoehorn them into a game that was never designed to support such features. So much this. And it’s still TBD whether the value add will pan out. So far, the feedback I’ve seen from core loot shooter players who are not big Bioware fans has been positive, mostly with respect to the Matthias quests in the demo. Not that Destiny/Division/Diablo is a very high bar. MHW on the other hand seems to be the standard people are comparing Anthem story content to, both for and against.
|
|
midnight tea
Twitter Guru
gateway beverage
Posts: 8,021 Likes: 19,612
inherit
gateway beverage
109
0
19,612
midnight tea
8,021
August 2016
midnighttea
|
Post by midnight tea on Feb 6, 2019 20:49:05 GMT
And they can put it back once they have a better version. It's a "Live Service" game allowing them to do things they were never able to do prior to "Anthem". Except it will be too late. You can’t patch in something that impacts progression after a bunch of people have already achieved max level. Not unless you want to set the internet on fire. You can. ESO introduced Champion Points loooong after people achieved max level and there was no controversy. In fact, the more controversy now is that generally it makes people way too OP, lol.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Jun 12, 2024 13:49:30 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 6, 2019 20:53:24 GMT
Except it will be too late. You can’t patch in something that impacts progression after a bunch of people have already achieved max level. Not unless you want to set the internet on fire. Or add in retroactive to your progression level and achievements. The game is always online and it's not like they can't tell us everything that is happening during your time in their server including the amount of grabbits you smoke. Not saying they do add it later...maybe they don't, but if the skill tree is not there with launch it's likely a good thing since it was either 1) irrelevant to your overall power in the game or 2) an annoyance that gave you more tinkering and didn't contribute much...maybe a combo of both. If it doesn’t kick in until after level 30 and they raise the level cap, then yes that can work. But retro won’t work because I will have made grind time decisions for my build that could be upset by new skills that I can apply retro. Of course that risk already exists with gear/blueprint additions, but they shouldn’t actively make the risk worse.
|
|
inherit
✜ Forge Mechanic
352
0
Jun 12, 2024 13:49:30 GMT
6,256
PapaCharlie9
3,851
August 2016
papacharlie9
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquisition, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by PapaCharlie9 on Feb 6, 2019 20:56:22 GMT
Except it will be too late. You can’t patch in something that impacts progression after a bunch of people have already achieved max level. Not unless you want to set the internet on fire. You can. ESO introduced Champion Points loooong after people achieved max level and there was no controversy. In fact, the more controversy now is that generally it makes people way too OP, lol. I had to look that up. Looks like a post max level add on, which is fine, as noted in my previous reply.
|
|
crossngen
N2
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR
Posts: 247 Likes: 366
inherit
1812
0
366
crossngen
247
Oct 16, 2016 19:18:00 GMT
October 2016
crossngen
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR
|
Post by crossngen on Feb 6, 2019 21:43:13 GMT
We've already seen numerous times RPG progression systems being added for max level players in multiple forms from multiple MMORPGs, one of my favorites is mastery system from Guild Wars 2, where once you reach max level all of your experience points are converted into mastery experience, and once you have enough you spend mastery points(which you earn by completing challenges throughout the world) to level up a certain mastery ability.
|
|
Arcian
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: GVArcian
XBL Gamertag: GVArcian
Prime Posts: 2473
Prime Likes: 2168
Posts: 928 Likes: 1,354
inherit
174
0
1,354
Arcian
928
August 2016
arcian
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
GVArcian
GVArcian
2473
2168
|
Post by Arcian on Feb 6, 2019 22:01:12 GMT
They haven't ruled out implementing Pilot Skill Trees in the future, assuming they can make them feel worthwhile.
|
|
bshep
N5
We destroy them or they destroy us.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Origin: MasterDassJennir
Prime Posts: 1876
Prime Likes: 376
Posts: 4,444 Likes: 7,936
inherit
269
0
7,936
bshep
We destroy them or they destroy us.
4,444
August 2016
bshep
Top
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
MasterDassJennir
1876
376
|
Post by bshep on Feb 7, 2019 1:14:09 GMT
Yes. But right now the extra javelins components work better than the old skill tree.
|
|
H0RSE
N1
May the H0RSE be with you...
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: H0RSE
Posts: 40 Likes: 47
inherit
10825
0
47
H0RSE
May the H0RSE be with you...
40
January 2019
h0rse
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
H0RSE
|
Post by H0RSE on Feb 7, 2019 6:54:00 GMT
It just feels like Anthem has a lot further to go. ...to apparently be the game you want it to be, but not necessarily to be a game that many enjoy from the start. Seriously though, you make it sound like Anthem is releasing as an early access game...
|
|
inherit
1265
0
1,693
isaidlunch
796
Aug 26, 2016 22:27:12 GMT
August 2016
isaidlunch
|
Post by isaidlunch on Feb 7, 2019 7:02:24 GMT
It just feels like Anthem has a lot further to go. ...to apparently be the game you want it to be, but not necessarily to be a game that many enjoy from the start. Seriously though, you make it sound like Anthem is releasing as an early access game...That's the most accurate description of Anthem I've ever seen. "Not at launch" is like Anthem's unofficial motto.
|
|
H0RSE
N1
May the H0RSE be with you...
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: H0RSE
Posts: 40 Likes: 47
inherit
10825
0
47
H0RSE
May the H0RSE be with you...
40
January 2019
h0rse
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
H0RSE
|
Post by H0RSE on Feb 7, 2019 7:13:20 GMT
That's the most accurate description of Anthem I've ever seen. Then you apparently haven't played many early access games... A completely playable, optimized game, with enough content to last dozens of hours if not more, lacking features at launch that would take it from being a good game to a great game, is hardly early access material, which often means releasing a game in alpha-state or worse. But hey, let's continue with the over-exaggerations and dramatics...EA's involved, so make sure you boycott the game as well...
|
|
Sanunes
N6
Just a flip of the coin.
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
Prime Posts: 4392
Prime Likes: 882
Posts: 5,993 Likes: 9,066
inherit
1561
0
9,066
Sanunes
Just a flip of the coin.
5,993
Sept 13, 2016 11:51:12 GMT
September 2016
sanunes
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
4392
882
|
Post by Sanunes on Feb 7, 2019 7:27:05 GMT
After my experiences with the game, I can say there wasn't anything interesting removed for the exact reasons they mentioned. The mastery gear covers what I would want in a leveling system just with gear instead of points. If they left it in the way it was there would be an equal amount of people complaining that the system was absolute garbage that did nothing to improve the game and this way they cut it out and instead of adapting a feature that is live to something that works they can go back and create something better without having the anchor of previous incarnations getting in the way.
|
|
midnight tea
Twitter Guru
gateway beverage
Posts: 8,021 Likes: 19,612
inherit
gateway beverage
109
0
19,612
midnight tea
8,021
August 2016
midnighttea
|
Post by midnight tea on Feb 7, 2019 9:12:21 GMT
It just feels like Anthem has a lot further to go. ...to apparently be the game you want it to be, but not necessarily to be a game that many enjoy from the start. Seriously though, you make it sound like Anthem is releasing as an early access game... Not really. It's a mistake to think of games like Anthem as 'early access', because this is NOT a one-off thing that is supposed to be finished/mostly finished at launch. This is NOT what live service games are and not what Bioware is trying to drive home incessantly - that this is a game that is continuously updated with new features and content. It's still a relatively new thing for titles that AREN'T MMOs (or recent looter-shooters), but nobody who played MMOs would call them unfinished - simply ever-expanding. It's a game specifically built to be growing and changing, but it's only natural for it to not everything people would like it to have at launch. And why should it? I played games in which features or modes existed just to exist, even if they were meaningless or broken at launch. I prefer to have a solid foundation and receive things when they're more than that. We do know from people who tried alpha builds that the module was there - but neither Bioware or those who tried it were satisfied with it, so they removed it and buffed the Javelin customization while they review the skill tree. With live service game, they can.
|
|
H0RSE
N1
May the H0RSE be with you...
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
XBL Gamertag: H0RSE
Posts: 40 Likes: 47
inherit
10825
0
47
H0RSE
May the H0RSE be with you...
40
January 2019
h0rse
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda
H0RSE
|
Post by H0RSE on Feb 7, 2019 17:46:30 GMT
@midnight tea
I was just about to point that out. Anthem isn't a single player RPG, yet people are still apparently wanting it to behave like one. You can't have everything in the game at launch in a game like this, however you can criticize them for what they prioritize to include or not include at launch.
|
|
monkeylungs
N3
Games: Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Posts: 766 Likes: 811
inherit
10729
0
811
monkeylungs
766
Dec 29, 2018 23:09:15 GMT
December 2018
monkeylungs
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
|
Post by monkeylungs on Feb 7, 2019 18:40:38 GMT
monkeylungs I was just about to point that out. Anthem isn't a single player RPG, yet people are still apparently wanting it to behave like one. You can't have everything in the game at launch in a game like this, however you can criticize them for what they prioritize to include or not include at launch. It's a bit of a weird hybrid though ... you play single player in Fort Tarsis.
|
|