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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 25, 2019 15:29:37 GMT
Becaue they were free of the red tape that the Alliance had to deal with. Of which Jacob was always vocal about the fucked up nature of Cerberus. TIM himself admits Jacob has always been against most of Cerberus's activities. Hence why he was hand selected to join Shepard. Miranda was a head of the leviathan project and wanted to implant a control chip in Shepard's head. Miranda's defection from Cerberus doesn't make any sense sort of she saw the indoctrination effect taking over TIM and so left before she could be indoctrinated by the Reapers as well. The human body is biologically capable of having 1 baby every year from as young as 13 to as old as 60 years of age. Within my parent's life time people went from having large families of 4+ kids to having on average much smaller of 1 or 2 kids. There are even people in my generation willingly not having kids because they are worried about the future state of the world. Within 100 years we have changed our stance of family size and adapted to newer situations. There is a 400 year difference between the end of the Rachni Wars and the start of the Krogan Rebellion. 400 years is more then enough time for them to take stock of the new situation and adapt to it. For reference 400 years ago it would be 1619. And if you lived in the UK it would have been a year ago that Sir Walter Raleigh was executed for crimes of treason against James I. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Raleigh#Execution_and_aftermath
Rabbits are small simple creatures incapable of learning beyond basic things. Krogan are fully capable of learning as they literally build in their past massive cities and understood the complexity of nuclear physics allowing them to build nuclear weapons which they used on themselves. Comparing an intelligent if aggressive race to rabbits is some of that truly old school British colonial racism right there. You might as well be standing in Africa wearing a pith helment drinking tea calling every native you see spear chucker rather then their name. The Krogan are intelligent. They are capable of learning and understanding. What they choose to do is ignore it and simply demand more planets because they choose to abuse the fuck out of the garden worlds given to them polluting and breeding out of control on there. For 400 years and countless generations of Krogan.
Well you ignore the fact the Salarian's uplifted the Krogan because the war against the Rachni was going badly. They couldn't strike against the nests. Without getting to the nest the queen would be able to lay thousands of more eggs to the next attack would come with even more over whelming force. [/quote]
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Post by ahglock on Mar 25, 2019 16:32:38 GMT
My Shepards don't trust Joker unless I RP that Shepard believes all these ex-Alliance people were planted in Cerberus as secret allies. What are the odds that Chakwas, Joker, Donnelly, Daniels and Jacob all just happened to be there? Note that Joker was still allowed around the SR-2 at the beginning of ME3 (even if not flying) and Chakwas was put in a research lab. Chakwas claimed she didn't get in trouble for joining a terrorist organization because she was on leave would never fly. Joining Cerberus is treason so something else was at work. Only the engineers faced any type of punishment, but no worse than what Shepard received. It would fly if cerberus actually was a off book black ops group as indicated in ME1. That the information that they aren’t gained in the books was wrong, almost like they were super secret spy’s who mislead others. People with enough political pull like a cripple who could become a alliance pilot suffer smaller amounts of punishment than annoying engineer dudes because it wasn’t actually treason and the punishment was more show than real.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 25, 2019 16:33:13 GMT
Joker joined Cerberus because he wanted to fly. He doesn't care about their background. He just wanted to fly. I actually respected joker a bit for that.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 25, 2019 17:00:04 GMT
Joker joined Cerberus because he wanted to fly. He doesn't care about their background. He just wanted to fly. I actually respected joker a bit for that. Except it meant he committed treason not just against the Alliance but against the Council. There were no real repercussions for his actions.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 25, 2019 20:34:32 GMT
I actually respected joker a bit for that. Except it meant he committed treason not just against the Alliance but against the Council. There were no real repercussions for his actions. Fuck em. Don’t steal a dudes wings. I think the me2 intro was terrible for joker as he got you killed. If he’d been pinned, or he was willing to sacrifice himself to give cover for the escape pods his sticking with the ship would have worked. But him getting you killed through idiocy kinds of irritates most of my Shepard’s. Still it’s baller to tell the alliance to go fuck themselves and join whoever you can find who will let you fly.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 25, 2019 20:53:38 GMT
Except it meant he committed treason not just against the Alliance but against the Council. There were no real repercussions for his actions. Fuck em. Don’t steal a dudes wings. I think the me2 intro was terrible for joker as he got you killed. If he’d been pinned, or he was willing to sacrifice himself to give cover for the escape pods his sticking with the ship would have worked. But him getting you killed through idiocy kinds of irritates most of my Shepard’s. Still it’s baller to tell the alliance to go fuck themselves and join whoever you can find who will let you fly. It's one of the things some of my Sheps also thought - why does TIM think I trust a guy whose stupidity got me killed? Besides, nothing indicated Shep had any special affection for him. Don't know who would have replaced him but I'm sure an AI at the helm would have worked just fine. Or a "pilot" who was just a stand-in for EDI.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 25, 2019 21:48:40 GMT
It's another great example of how disconnected the ME2 intro is from ME1. I think by the end of ME1, most Shepards would probably respect Joker for his skills (though never really shown, I would imagine Virmire, the escape from the Citadel and the MAKO drop on Illos require some pretty fancy flying) but as you guys say, there is no real indication that they are best buddies or something.
Than, in the ME2 intro, Joke really does act stupidly unless you deploy some pretty heavy head canon. For all intents and purposes, Shepard should be furious when s/he sees Joker again.
But ME2 doesn't care about that. As with most characters, the writers had some very specific ideas in mind how they saw the interactions between certain characters that were never established before and they wrote the script in a way as if their ideas about it were absolutely clear and obvious and didn't need any kind of build up or introduction. To me it seems that the ME2 Joker writer had this deep connection between Joker and Shepard in mind and I am not sure if they didn't also think (though this is never mentioned in game IIRC) that Joker joined Cerberus not just to fly but because he got some intuition that Shepard was there somehow (kinda like TIM, who reads ahead in the script of ME2 and already knows in the first scene that Shep will need help from Cerberus soon).
There's a lot of characters like this, who just seem to know stuff they shouldn't and do stuff that only make sense if they know the whole script of ME2 already (Liara being the most obvious of course but also others). Their behavior fits into the drama of the situation but not so much into a causal, logical progression of events.
Apart from the fact that ME2 is not very valuable to the main story arc, I think this is the second most important reason why many regard it as not a great second part of the trilogy.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2019 22:04:53 GMT
What cracks me up about Jeff, I will go down with my ship, Moreau, is Williams/t'soni/Alenko will tell Shepard that Joker won't leave the ship. So those 3 run up to the ****pit to hear Joker say I won't leave and then go all the way towards the back, down the stairs and then go towards the front to tell that to Shepard? Was it that hard for them just grab Joker and get him to an escape pod?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 26, 2019 20:42:01 GMT
I actually respected joker a bit for that. Except it meant he committed treason not just against the Alliance but against the Council. There were no real repercussions for his actions. I thought he knew cerberus was bringing shepard back? I figured he joined because he was guilt ridden as well as wanting to fly again
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Post by themikefest on Mar 26, 2019 23:26:44 GMT
Joker had no idea Cerberus was trying to bring back Shepard let alone had his/her body. The only one who knew was t'soni.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 27, 2019 1:44:55 GMT
Joker had no idea Cerberus was trying to bring back Shepard let alone had his/her body. The only one who knew was t'soni. No I mean that cerberus told him that and that made him join. I might be wrong it's just what I thought.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 27, 2019 2:22:49 GMT
Joker had no idea Cerberus was trying to bring back Shepard let alone had his/her body. The only one who knew was t'soni. No I mean that cerberus told him that and that made him join. I might be wrong it's just what I thought. He said he joined Cerberus so he could fly.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 28, 2019 1:55:47 GMT
There is a 400 year difference between the end of the Rachni Wars and the start of the Krogan Rebellion. 400 years is more then enough time for them to take stock of the new situation and adapt to it. A krogan is not a human. Krogan evolved in a very different environment subject to very different selection pressures. They were then ripped out of that environment at the behest of another species that was more advanced than they were. The fact that they reached the nuclear age mutliple times only to blow themselves up indicates they are easily capable of altering their average behavior. Wrex and krogan like him are clearly the minority. I do think the krogan can survive and adapt, but not if the genophage is cured. Restoring them to their original fertility rate will just provide incentives for them to continue their aggressive and reckless behavior. It's better if that strains of the krogan race that are prone to such behaviors die out and the ones like Wrex survive. [/div] I could though, because I'm a better general. I don't need any ground teams. I'll turn the rachni planets into balls of molten rock if I need to. Still not callous though. I actually respected joker a bit for that. Except it meant he committed treason not just against the Alliance but against the Council. There were no real repercussions for his actions. It's one of the dumbest things about ME2 and ME3, almost as dumb as a man with brittle bone disease serving in the military. Back in the ME2-era I took it as evidence for the "Cerberus is still Alliance Black Ops" theory. That would have been more interesting. You'd think the Alliance would have any surviving Normandy crew in prison up on SERIOUS charges. Tali, Grunt, and Samara are the only ones that they might let go. Plenty of governments ought to want Thane, Kasumi, and Jack behind bars. Garrus might be in trouble with the Hierarchy. Zaeed just might be wanted by the Elfel-Ashland Mining Firm. Legion is something they'd want to study. I'm not saying that Cerberus writing is consistent and I happened to argue against it a while ago but rewrites are one thing and specifying something previously left vague is another. Just find me some evidence in the games of Cerberus wanting to exterminate aliens. I think that line should have been edited out of the novel. It doesn't fit ME2 or ME3. It doesn't even fit the novel it appears in.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 28, 2019 11:22:06 GMT
I'm not saying that Cerberus writing is consistent and I happened to argue against it a while ago but rewrites are one thing and specifying something previously left vague is another. Just find me some evidence in the games of Cerberus wanting to exterminate aliens. I think that line should have been edited out of the novel. It doesn't fit ME2 or ME3. It doesn't even fit the novel it appears in. "Find me some evidence in the games that TIM doesn't smoke salarian tobacco". This is not how this works because not everything has to be in the games. The line fits Retribution and ME3 very well and may conflict ME2 on the level of impressions, but not on the level of literality.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 28, 2019 15:42:52 GMT
A krogan is not a human. Krogan evolved in a very different environment subject to very different selection pressures. They were then ripped out of that environment at the behest of another species that was more advanced than they were. The fact that they reached the nuclear age mutliple times only to blow themselves up indicates they are easily capable of altering their average behavior. Wrex and krogan like him are clearly the minority. I do think the krogan can survive and adapt, but not if the genophage is cured. Restoring them to their original fertility rate will just provide incentives for them to continue their aggressive and reckless behavior. It's better if that strains of the krogan race that are prone to such behaviors die out and the ones like Wrex survive. Yes Krogan are not human but they have been shown to be as intelligent as any other race in the game. They also were not ripped but convinced to join the war against the Rachni in part because the Salarian's build several Shrouds to help restore Tuchunaka's atmosphere. They also only reached nuclear age once before they blasted themselves back technology wise.
Yes Wrex is a minoirty but he is a minority with authority in the Krogan people. Anything even vaugly resembling a central government hasn't existed since the Krogan Rebellion. A single leader to inspire change and show a better way will always help.
How? You do know even with a fleet of ships attacking the planet you wouldn't be able to turn it into a ball of molten rock. That the Rachnni could dig deep enough into the planet to survive any orbital bombardment. The deepest mine in the real world is 2 miles deep. there is no reason to think the Rachni couldn't dig just as deep if not deeper given they are more resistant to heat and cold then we are and build a nest deep enough to avoid any orbital fire and survive. They could also reinforce those bunkers with supports making the effectiveness of any orbital attack questionable unless you could get on the ground and confirm they were destroyed.
Your a better general in the same sense that I am a better general and I could have won WW2 without losing a single person. All it would require is me to have intimate foreknowledge of all Nazi strategies, weapon placements and troop movements. Then invent technology that didn't exist yet to bypass those to give me clear and unquestionable superiority and to have the Nazi's surrender without a fight each time my troops moved against them. And just like that I am a better general then any of those that fought in WW2. Clearly if they only thought of my actions they would have easily won.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 29, 2019 23:11:06 GMT
Anyway, garden worlds are too valuable to bomb into slag.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 29, 2019 23:52:06 GMT
Anyway, garden worlds are too valuable to bomb into slag. Actually the rachni were burrowed so deep that they couldn't get the queens through bombardment. You need to actually go through the tunnels and kill them. That was why the krogan were needed. They could deal with the toxic worlds and were strong enough to go toe to toe with them.
This has several real world comparisons. Back in world war two the U.S. bombed the crap out of the islands the japanese had dug into and they still had to send a ton of soldiers in to clear them out. Same thing in afghanistan now. Even bunker busters can only go so far down.
That was why the krogan were needed.
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"Find me some evidence in the games that TIM doesn't smoke salarian tobacco". I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I am asking you to prove a positive. Yes Krogan are not human but they have been shown to be as intelligent as any other race in the game. They also were not ripped but convinced to join the war against the Rachni in part because the Salarian's build several Shrouds to help restore Tuchunaka's atmosphere. They also only reached nuclear age once before they blasted themselves back technology wise... ...Yes Wrex is a minority but he is a minority with authority in the Krogan people. Anything even vaguely resembling a central government hasn't existed since the Krogan Rebellion. A single leader to inspire change and show a better way will always help. I stand corrected on the number of apocalyptic wars the krogan have fought, however that doesn't change much. The underlying biology that drove them to that nuclear holocaust is the same biology that lead them to the secondary holocaust of the genophage after the Krogan Rebellions. Wrex is great, but Wrex is one man and he will not live forever. Furthermore, an astute observation of how we built his power base in ME2 reveals that it is based on the scarcity of krogan reproduction. He holds onto power by gating access to the most fertile females and as such each tribal leader must do Wrex's bidding if they want to have children and grow their tribe. Curing the genophage will undo this. Any ambitious and short-sighted leader will be able to greatly expand his followers through children even with access to only a small number of females. Wrex will lose power even before he inevitably dies. The krogan population will expand, and expand, and expand, and eventually they'll be driven into conflict with the other species, just like before. The Krogan Rebellions didn't happen over night; it was a gradual build up, a slow boil. Wrex had the right idea back when he killed his father; stop making war and start focusing on breeding. Wrex had a plan to save the krogan even without curing the genophage but somewhere along the way in ME3 he forgot about this and is making a stupid mistake. Most likely, it is the writers who forgot about this. The krogan were found by the salarians, and then given advanced technology with the goal of bringing them to technological parity so they could join the salarians and asari in their war against the rachni. This was taking the krogan out of their natural environment. The krogan never reached space on their own. They weren't capable of it because their biology had made their technological societies too unstable. How? You do know even with a fleet of ships attacking the planet you wouldn't be able to turn it into a ball of molten rock. I'd drop big asteroids and comets onto the Rachni planets. Let them dig as deep as they want; it won't matter. Even if any survive and I can leave automated sensors in orbit to monitor the surface for any activity. A technological society generates a lot of energy and requires a lot of resources. If the rachni ever look like they are developing anything beyond the stone age I bomb them right back into it. That's assuming they survived at all. Really, the writers ought to have read more science fiction. Actually the rachni were burrowed so deep that they couldn't get the queens through bombardment. You need to actually go through the tunnels and kill them. That was why the krogan were needed. They could deal with the toxic worlds and were strong enough to go toe to toe with them. [/div] This has several real world comparisons. Back in world war two the U.S. bombed the crap out of the islands the japanese had dug into and they still had to send a ton of soldiers in to clear them out. Same thing in afghanistan now. Even bunker busters can only go so far down.
That was why the krogan were needed.
[/quote] You see this is one of the weaknesses in the writing even going back to ME1. If you are in the position to deploy krogan troops into rachni tunnels then you already have air/space superiority. If you have that then you've already won. You can just sit there passively and play wack-a-mole if you want to. The rachni are helpless and if they are confined to their tunnels then they're not an interstellar threat anymore. Furthermore, I find it very peculiar that the Council troops couldn't deal with a toxic environment; if they can even reach the rachni home world then they have learned to survive the hostile environment of space. It was a very bone-headed on the writer's part to state that the krogan were needed for their physical biology because apparently sufficiently protective space-suits weren't available. There are better ways the krogan involvement with the Rachni Wars, and the resulting fallout, could have been written in.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 30, 2019 20:11:57 GMT
"Find me some evidence in the games that TIM doesn't smoke salarian tobacco". I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I am asking you to prove a positive. Yes Krogan are not human but they have been shown to be as intelligent as any other race in the game. They also were not ripped but convinced to join the war against the Rachni in part because the Salarian's build several Shrouds to help restore Tuchunaka's atmosphere. They also only reached nuclear age once before they blasted themselves back technology wise... ...Yes Wrex is a minority but he is a minority with authority in the Krogan people. Anything even vaguely resembling a central government hasn't existed since the Krogan Rebellion. A single leader to inspire change and show a better way will always help. I stand corrected on the number of apocalyptic wars the krogan have fought, however that doesn't change much. The underlying biology that drove them to that nuclear holocaust is the same biology that lead them to the secondary holocaust of the genophage after the Krogan Rebellions. Wrex is great, but Wrex is one man and he will not live forever. Furthermore, an astute observation of how we built his power base in ME2 reveals that it is based on the scarcity of krogan reproduction. He holds onto power by gating access to the most fertile females and as such each tribal leader must do Wrex's bidding if they want to have children and grow their tribe. Curing the genophage will undo this. Any ambitious and short-sighted leader will be able to greatly expand his followers through children even with access to only a small number of females. Wrex will lose power even before he inevitably dies. The krogan population will expand, and expand, and expand, and eventually they'll be driven into conflict with the other species, just like before. The Krogan Rebellions didn't happen over night; it was a gradual build up, a slow boil. Wrex had the right idea back when he killed his father; stop making war and start focusing on breeding. Wrex had a plan to save the krogan even without curing the genophage but somewhere along the way in ME3 he forgot about this and is making a stupid mistake. Most likely, it is the writers who forgot about this. The krogan were found by the salarians, and then given advanced technology with the goal of bringing them to technological parity so they could join the salarians and asari in their war against the rachni. This was taking the krogan out of their natural environment. The krogan never reached space on their own. They weren't capable of it because their biology had made their technological societies too unstable. How? You do know even with a fleet of ships attacking the planet you wouldn't be able to turn it into a ball of molten rock. I'd drop big asteroids and comets onto the Rachni planets. Let them dig as deep as they want; it won't matter. Even if any survive and I can leave automated sensors in orbit to monitor the surface for any activity. A technological society generates a lot of energy and requires a lot of resources. If the rachni ever look like they are developing anything beyond the stone age I bomb them right back into it. That's assuming they survived at all. Really, the writers ought to have read more science fiction. Actually the rachni were burrowed so deep that they couldn't get the queens through bombardment. You need to actually go through the tunnels and kill them. That was why the krogan were needed. They could deal with the toxic worlds and were strong enough to go toe to toe with them. [/div] This has several real world comparisons. Back in world war two the U.S. bombed the crap out of the islands the japanese had dug into and they still had to send a ton of soldiers in to clear them out. Same thing in afghanistan now. Even bunker busters can only go so far down.
That was why the krogan were needed.
[/quote] You see this is one of the weaknesses in the writing even going back to ME1. If you are in the position to deploy krogan troops into rachni tunnels then you already have air/space superiority. If you have that then you've already won. You can just sit there passively and play wack-a-mole if you want to. The rachni are helpless and if they are confined to their tunnels then they're not an interstellar threat anymore. Furthermore, I find it very peculiar that the Council troops couldn't deal with a toxic environment; if they can even reach the rachni home world then they have learned to survive the hostile environment of space. It was a very bone-headed on the writer's part to state that the krogan were needed for their physical biology because apparently sufficiently protective space-suits weren't available. There are better ways the krogan involvement with the Rachni Wars, and the resulting fallout, could have been written in. [/quote][/div]
True however the krogan helped them start to win back wars rather then just finish them off. So I think it was more that the krogan had the numbers and strength of body to go into the tunnels and kill the rachni and thus allow the ships to move on to the next rachni world and quarentine it then send the krpgan in again and again. Plus while the other races could have fought the racni on the ground they could not have replenished their numbers quick enough. There is no way the asari and salarians could afford the losses the krogan took fighting the rachni on the ground. I think in the codex it actually said that when the krogan joined the fight the council races of the time took back a few worlds within a year or something like that. So they didn't just send the krogan onto the rachni homeworld and end it they had to go through several worlds cleaning them out one by one.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 31, 2019 15:02:07 GMT
I stand corrected on the number of apocalyptic wars the krogan have fought, however that doesn't change much. The underlying biology that drove them to that nuclear holocaust is the same biology that lead them to the secondary holocaust of the genophage after the Krogan Rebellions. Wrex is great, but Wrex is one man and he will not live forever. Furthermore, an astute observation of how we built his power base in ME2 reveals that it is based on the scarcity of krogan reproduction. He holds onto power by gating access to the most fertile females and as such each tribal leader must do Wrex's bidding if they want to have children and grow their tribe. Curing the genophage will undo this. Any ambitious and short-sighted leader will be able to greatly expand his followers through children even with access to only a small number of females. Wrex will lose power even before he inevitably dies. The krogan population will expand, and expand, and expand, and eventually they'll be driven into conflict with the other species, just like before. The Krogan Rebellions didn't happen over night; it was a gradual build up, a slow boil. Wrex had the right idea back when he killed his father; stop making war and start focusing on breeding. Wrex had a plan to save the krogan even without curing the genophage but somewhere along the way in ME3 he forgot about this and is making a stupid mistake. Most likely, it is the writers who forgot about this. The krogan were found by the salarians, and then given advanced technology with the goal of bringing them to technological parity so they could join the salarians and asari in their war against the rachni. This was taking the krogan out of their natural environment. The krogan never reached space on their own. They weren't capable of it because their biology had made their technological societies too unstable. Their biology had jack shit to do with why they nuked themselves. If biology had anything to do with how society functioned then just going to your local grocery store would be filled with people young and old and in many cases old with young fornicating all over the store. Literally seeing 14 year old girls getting knocked up by 40 year old men because that is how biology works in nature. The older and stronger or more experienced male is preferred and the animals start popping out babies as often as they can as early as they can. Depending on which animal you want to compare it to every few months your mother's butt would turn a bright color and she would wave it outside the window for someone to mount.
No the Krogans have a predisposition towards violence because of the physiological development of living on a dangerous world that put the Krogan only about mid way on the food chain. How ever they were still able to form societies and grow far more then the clan groups that would be found later post nuclear war. That shows not only a high intelligence to learn how to master and mass produce atomic weaponry but also an ability to form societies. Post nuclear war how ever further enforced said violent ways due to the limits on resources and the various groups of Krogan fighting simply to survive. Once freed of said restrictions they didn't bother to alter their behavior or even attempt to so they kept behaving as if they were on Tuchunka and thus needed the massive birth rates to compensate for the high death rate from the remaining wild life and other clan raids and attacks.
Wrex use of the female clan is a great step to helping the Krogan relearn they are more then simply a clan that they are an entire race. And as Wrex has said the idea of cooperating to help each other has caught on with only a few against it. Curing the genophage gives Wrex and Eve hero to the Krogan status combined with the need to work together against the Reapers the very actions that would be needed to bring Krogan society back together rather then just scattered clans that think nothing but themselves. He isn't trying to turn them into pacifists and they will always be trigger happy. He is trying to get them to look a bit beyond who do I punch in the next 5 minutes.
You do realize the kind of worlds that Rachni thrive on were worlds that races like the Salarians and Asari couldn't right? Based on the worlds shown in game with Rachni nests on them the asteroid strike wouldn't do much to them. Staying underground would allow them to build factories and repopulated to then burst out of the hives to attack in massive forces.
You need to stop reading bad science fiction.
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Post by brfritos on Mar 31, 2019 22:13:07 GMT
I'm a little late to the discussion, but I think most people here are not questioning that ME2 as a single entity, it's a terrific game, very worthy of being played, with some very good side stories and characters. But the main point is: ME2 advance the setting introduced with ME1? I don't think so. It rebooted the frenchise to another setting and the second instalment tried very hard to make the player forget ME1. Why Bioware did this I don't know. But this decision impacted very hard in ME3, since now you have to explain not only two dissonance settings, but also wrap them up to a conclusion. It worked at times, like in Tuchanka and Rannoch, fails flat at Thessia, forgot Palaven entirelly (I wish we could've seen the Turian homeworld, not a moon) and relegate the other minor races to fillers, like the Elcor, Hanar and Volus. The super weapon setting I really don't see a problem, is a setting used by tons of movies, games, comics and so on.
The explanation of why it appeared now is the main issue. Which brings another discussion: there's A TON of events that should've been in the games, but are only present in the comics.
Which also brings a question I would like to answear: if Leviathan was present in the game since the beginning, instead of being cutted to be later sold as DLC, do you people think it could solve some problems? The DLC doesn't answer many questions, but hinted about the Reapers not being the masters of the cycle, but a tool of a "intelligence" and also you have the opportunity to ask those crabs on steroids about the Crucible. So the player now expect that something new will be around the corner. Could it work or it's just wishing on my part?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 22:32:47 GMT
I stand corrected on the number of apocalyptic wars the krogan have fought, however that doesn't change much. The underlying biology that drove them to that nuclear holocaust is the same biology that lead them to the secondary holocaust of the genophage after the Krogan Rebellions. Wrex is great, but Wrex is one man and he will not live forever. Furthermore, an astute observation of how we built his power base in ME2 reveals that it is based on the scarcity of krogan reproduction. He holds onto power by gating access to the most fertile females and as such each tribal leader must do Wrex's bidding if they want to have children and grow their tribe. Curing the genophage will undo this. Any ambitious and short-sighted leader will be able to greatly expand his followers through children even with access to only a small number of females. Wrex will lose power even before he inevitably dies. The krogan population will expand, and expand, and expand, and eventually they'll be driven into conflict with the other species, just like before. The Krogan Rebellions didn't happen over night; it was a gradual build up, a slow boil. Wrex had the right idea back when he killed his father; stop making war and start focusing on breeding. Wrex had a plan to save the krogan even without curing the genophage but somewhere along the way in ME3 he forgot about this and is making a stupid mistake. Most likely, it is the writers who forgot about this. The krogan were found by the salarians, and then given advanced technology with the goal of bringing them to technological parity so they could join the salarians and asari in their war against the rachni. This was taking the krogan out of their natural environment. The krogan never reached space on their own. They weren't capable of it because their biology had made their technological societies too unstable. Their biology had jack shit to do with why they nuked themselves. If biology had anything to do with how society functioned then just going to your local grocery store would be filled with people young and old and in many cases old with young fornicating all over the store. Literally seeing 14 year old girls getting knocked up by 40 year old men because that is how biology works in nature. The older and stronger or more experienced male is preferred and the animals start popping out babies as often as they can as early as they can. Depending on which animal you want to compare it to every few months your mother's butt would turn a bright color and she would wave it outside the window for someone to mount.
No the Krogans have a predisposition towards violence because of the physiological development of living on a dangerous world that put the Krogan only about mid way on the food chain. How ever they were still able to form societies and grow far more then the clan groups that would be found later post nuclear war. That shows not only a high intelligence to learn how to master and mass produce atomic weaponry but also an ability to form societies. Post nuclear war how ever further enforced said violent ways due to the limits on resources and the various groups of Krogan fighting simply to survive. Once freed of said restrictions they didn't bother to alter their behavior or even attempt to so they kept behaving as if they were on Tuchunka and thus needed the massive birth rates to compensate for the high death rate from the remaining wild life and other clan raids and attacks.
Wrex use of the female clan is a great step to helping the Krogan relearn they are more then simply a clan that they are an entire race. And as Wrex has said the idea of cooperating to help each other has caught on with only a few against it. Curing the genophage gives Wrex and Eve hero to the Krogan status combined with the need to work together against the Reapers the very actions that would be needed to bring Krogan society back together rather then just scattered clans that think nothing but themselves. He isn't trying to turn them into pacifists and they will always be trigger happy. He is trying to get them to look a bit beyond who do I punch in the next 5 minutes.
You do realize the kind of worlds that Rachni thrive on were worlds that races like the Salarians and Asari couldn't right? Based on the worlds shown in game with Rachni nests on them the asteroid strike wouldn't do much to them. Staying underground would allow them to build factories and repopulated to then burst out of the hives to attack in massive forces.
You need to stop reading bad science fiction.
An asteroid falling on earth created the Gulf of Mexico... I don't think being dug in would help the rachni survive an asteroid drop on their planets, TBH.,. despite the ones we were shown not apparently having surface water. Lt. Durand can assure Shepard that having the Normandy bombard them wouldn't help... but the difference between a single ship bombarding an area of the planet and an asteroid drop would be night and day.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 31, 2019 22:43:28 GMT
Their biology had jack shit to do with why they nuked themselves. If biology had anything to do with how society functioned then just going to your local grocery store would be filled with people young and old and in many cases old with young fornicating all over the store. Literally seeing 14 year old girls getting knocked up by 40 year old men because that is how biology works in nature. The older and stronger or more experienced male is preferred and the animals start popping out babies as often as they can as early as they can. Depending on which animal you want to compare it to every few months your mother's butt would turn a bright color and she would wave it outside the window for someone to mount.
No the Krogans have a predisposition towards violence because of the physiological development of living on a dangerous world that put the Krogan only about mid way on the food chain. How ever they were still able to form societies and grow far more then the clan groups that would be found later post nuclear war. That shows not only a high intelligence to learn how to master and mass produce atomic weaponry but also an ability to form societies. Post nuclear war how ever further enforced said violent ways due to the limits on resources and the various groups of Krogan fighting simply to survive. Once freed of said restrictions they didn't bother to alter their behavior or even attempt to so they kept behaving as if they were on Tuchunka and thus needed the massive birth rates to compensate for the high death rate from the remaining wild life and other clan raids and attacks.
Wrex use of the female clan is a great step to helping the Krogan relearn they are more then simply a clan that they are an entire race. And as Wrex has said the idea of cooperating to help each other has caught on with only a few against it. Curing the genophage gives Wrex and Eve hero to the Krogan status combined with the need to work together against the Reapers the very actions that would be needed to bring Krogan society back together rather then just scattered clans that think nothing but themselves. He isn't trying to turn them into pacifists and they will always be trigger happy. He is trying to get them to look a bit beyond who do I punch in the next 5 minutes.
You do realize the kind of worlds that Rachni thrive on were worlds that races like the Salarians and Asari couldn't right? Based on the worlds shown in game with Rachni nests on them the asteroid strike wouldn't do much to them. Staying underground would allow them to build factories and repopulated to then burst out of the hives to attack in massive forces.
You need to stop reading bad science fiction.
An asteroid falling on earth created the Gulf of Mexico... I don't think being dug in would help the rachni survive an asteroid drop on their planets, TBH.,. despite the ones we were shown not apparently having surface water. Lt. Durand can assure Shepard that having the Normandy bombard them wouldn't help... but the difference between a single ship bombarding an area of the planet and an asteroid drop would be night and day. Got that source an asteroid created the Gulf of Mexico?
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An asteroid falling on earth created the Gulf of Mexico... I don't think being dug in would help the rachni survive an asteroid drop on their planets, TBH.,. despite the ones we were shown not apparently having surface water. Lt. Durand can assure Shepard that having the Normandy bombard them wouldn't help... but the difference between a single ship bombarding an area of the planet and an asteroid drop would be night and day. Got that source an asteroid created the Gulf of Mexico? OK - portion of the Gulf of Mexico.
I don't think even the rachni would be dug in deeper than 30 km.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Apr 1, 2019 2:13:28 GMT
Got that source an asteroid created the Gulf of Mexico? OK - portion of the Gulf of Mexico.
I don't think even the rachni would be dug in deeper than 30 km.
True but they would be able to survive the resulting effect of the impact unless the nest was struck directly.
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