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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 7:16:15 GMT
However BioWare or anyone else defines live service, it must have been different enough from their standard patch/DLC post launch support routine to require a reboot of Dragon Age 4 (from Joplin to Morrison, and now back to single player only). If live service (according to BioWare) was defined as "patches and DLC post launch", then no reboot would have been necessary because they had been doing that for many years now. Patches can't possibly require a reboot, and neither should DLC, certainly not while the game is still in pre-production and DLC can be planned for accordingly. Whatever the reboots did, it must have been such a significant change to the game's structure that it could not be accomplished by patching or adding DLC. That doesn't follow. We don't know anything at all about the initial version of the game and we don't know what changed and we don't know what has changed now. Schrier's giant 'expose' was just a whole lot of gossip about workplace drama from anonymous sources. It didn't actually tell us anything about any version of DA4. The people on the development side OBVIOUSLY have a different perspective on the situation from the people who aren't on the development side, and they have reasons for using the terms they use that don't necessarily have anything to do with trying to trick people out of their money or whatever. River82 (or someone else with a blank profile, I'm not going back to check) had a big ol' bitchfit about a dev using the term 'delay' "wrong", because it didn't align with Merriam-Webster, *legasp*. But to anyone with half a brain, it's obvious what the developer MEANT in the quote used, if you bother to actually read it, even if his manner of phrasing was poor or confusing. I don't even know why anyone is bringing up dictionary definitions. English is constantly evolving, and dictionaries are, at best, an imperfect tool when it comes to determining the meaning of a particular word. But since people HAVE brought dictionaries into it, the precious Merriam-Webster doesn't HAVE a definition for 'live service' or 'live-service' or any permutation of the term that I've ever heard of. I just checked. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 7:27:35 GMT
Dictionaries record words that have found their way into the english language, the criteria for words to find their way into the english language was posted above. Actually, you posted the criteria for a word making its way into the dictionary, not the criteria for a word to make its way into the English language, there is no criteria for that. |
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Post by Gileadan on Mar 15, 2021 7:40:38 GMT
However BioWare or anyone else defines live service, it must have been different enough from their standard patch/DLC post launch support routine to require a reboot of Dragon Age 4 (from Joplin to Morrison, and now back to single player only). If live service (according to BioWare) was defined as "patches and DLC post launch", then no reboot would have been necessary because they had been doing that for many years now. Patches can't possibly require a reboot, and neither should DLC, certainly not while the game is still in pre-production and DLC can be planned for accordingly. Whatever the reboots did, it must have been such a significant change to the game's structure that it could not be accomplished by patching or adding DLC. That doesn't follow. We don't know anything at all about the initial version of the game and we don't know what changed and we don't know what has changed now. Schrier's giant 'expose' was just a whole lot of gossip about workplace drama from anonymous sources. It didn't actually tell us anything about any version of DA4. I don't see the flaw in my logic. A reboot is only necessary if the changes made vary so greatly from the initial design that normal patches and DLC are not enough to implement the desired change. I did assume that Schreier's article "DA4 was rebooted to include live service" did contain enough truth to actually merit a discussion. But of course I wasn't there and I don't know any details, true. But if we assume that Schreier's article was just gossip and drama, then there's very little to actually talk about because no trustworthy source (who would be that anyway...) has put out any information to base a discussion on.
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 7:51:36 GMT
Dictionaries record words that have found their way into the english language, the criteria for words to find their way into the english language was posted above. Actually, you posted the criteria for a word making its way into the dictionary, not the criteria for a word to make its way into the English language, there is no criteria for that. Actually there is. The hint is in the definition, language is the use of words in a STRUCTURED and CONVENTIONAL way. Both "structure" and "conventional" convey the notion there is criteria for a word to enter the english language. Which there is. Because if there was no structure or convention people would have no idea what you're talking about. Conventional is something generally done or believed, further hinting at the criteria even if you had no knowledge of it. the words, their pronunciation, and the methods of combining them used and understood by a community is Merriam's offer, "used and understood by a community" is pretty clear criteria. Etc etc
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 7:58:42 GMT
That doesn't follow. We don't know anything at all about the initial version of the game and we don't know what changed and we don't know what has changed now. Schrier's giant 'expose' was just a whole lot of gossip about workplace drama from anonymous sources. It didn't actually tell us anything about any version of DA4. I don't see the flaw in my logic. A reboot is only necessary if the changes made vary so greatly from the initial design that normal patches and DLC are not enough to implement the desired change. I did assume that Schreier's article "DA4 was rebooted to include live service" did contain enough truth to actually merit a discussion. But of course I wasn't there and I don't know any details, true. But if we assume that Schreier's article was just gossip and drama, then there's very little to actually talk about because no trustworthy source (who would be that anyway...) has put out any information to base a discussion on. Well, I'd say the flaw in the logic is the assumption that terms like "reboot" and "necessary" mean the same thing to BioWare as they do to you. Perspective counts for a lot. Yeah, I agree that there isn't much to base a discussion on, hence my position that it's silly to be more or less hopeful or change your opinion of the game. One kind of nothing is now a different kind of nothing. So what? As an aside, since the thread has moved on to debating the definition of "games as a service, here's Schreier's own definition from the very article everyone's squawking about. Source: kotaku.com/the-past-and-present-of-dragon-age-4-1833913351Can't help but notice, but that definition is nowhere near as narrow and specific as the one some in here are touting. And it's easy to see how it could be stretched to include DAO, DA2 and the MET. So if Schreier's definition of "games as a service" is incorrect, who says he even properly understood what was going on at BioWare in the first place, hmmmmmm? |
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 8:06:55 GMT
So if Schreier's definition of "games as a service" is incorrect, who says he even properly understood what was going on at BioWare in the first place, hmmmmmm? Not so much incorrect, more a non-tech definition (target audience) meant to convey the notion rather than be bogged down in specifics during an article that is really about other stuff. It conveys some of the sort of things people can expect to see in Live service games which is fine *shrugs*. But no it's not about, and never has been about single player DLC, patches, expansions or anything like that. Sanunes posted an interesting thought of what gamers might consider to be live servicey, but single player DLC is right out lol
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 15, 2021 8:08:13 GMT
I... I do work for gaming industry  but you'll have to use lightsabers to get any extra info out from me!  |
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 8:12:55 GMT
I... I do work for gaming industry but you'll have to use lightsabers to get any extra info out from me! If I had lightsabers I'd use them to shine RGB lights on my PC, using them to threaten actual violence seems like a waste to me lol
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 8:15:24 GMT
Actually, you posted the criteria for a word making its way into the dictionary, not the criteria for a word to make its way into the English language, there is no criteria for that. Actually there is. The hint is in the definition, language is the use of words in a STRUCTURED and CONVENTIONAL way. Both "structure" and "conventional" convey the notion there is criteria for a word to enter the english language. Which there is. Because if there was no structure or convention people would have no idea what you're talking about. Conventional is something generally done or believed, further hinting at the criteria even if you had no knowledge of it. the words, their pronunciation, and the methods of combining them used and understood by a community is Merriam's offer, "used and understood by a community" is pretty clear criteria. Etc etc But language is not "structured and conventional", because it evolves and changes. New words are invented, or old words adopt new meanings. We shorten or combine them for convenience, or make up codes. Rhyming slang is still "English", with a rich history and tradition, but how well do *you* understand a conversation that uses it? There's the "dictionary definition" of things, and then there's the truth of how words are actually used. Who's a "community"? Who's "many"? All a dictionary can ACTUALLY tell you is how people used a word once upon a time. By the time anything "qualifies" to be entered into Merriam-Webster, language has already moved on. And furthermore, people DO use words "wrong", or use the "wrong" words ("wrong" meaning in a way that conflicts with the dictionary definition) all the time, like your example of the developer and "delay", but that doesn't mean it's impossible to understand what they're trying to say. In fact, the developer you quoted made himself very clear. I struggle to believe that you actually failed to comprehend him, and can only conclude that you were being willfully belligerent. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 8:18:55 GMT
So if Schreier's definition of "games as a service" is incorrect, who says he even properly understood what was going on at BioWare in the first place, hmmmmmm? Not so much incorrect, more a non-tech definition (target audience) meant to convey the notion rather than be bogged down in specifics during an article that is really about other stuff. It conveys some of the sort of things people can expect to see in Live service games which is fine *shrugs*. But no it's not about, and never has been about single player DLC, patches, expansions or anything like that. Sanunes posted an interesting thought of what gamers might consider to be live servicey, but single player DLC is right out lol What is DLC, then, if not a method of monetizing a game over an extended period? And what does being single-player have to do with live services? As I keep saying, plenty of single-player games have live services. |
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 8:25:06 GMT
Actually there is. The hint is in the definition, language is the use of words in a STRUCTURED and CONVENTIONAL way. Both "structure" and "conventional" convey the notion there is criteria for a word to enter the english language. Which there is. Because if there was no structure or convention people would have no idea what you're talking about. Conventional is something generally done or believed, further hinting at the criteria even if you had no knowledge of it. the words, their pronunciation, and the methods of combining them used and understood by a community is Merriam's offer, "used and understood by a community" is pretty clear criteria. Etc etc But language is not "structured and conventional", because it evolves and changes. New words are invented, or old words adopt new meanings. We shorten or combine them for convenience, or make up codes. Rhyming slang is still "English", with a rich history and tradition, but how well do *you* understand a conversation that uses it? There's the "dictionary definition" of things, and then there's the truth of how words are actually used. Who's a "community"? Who's "many"? All a dictionary can ACTUALLY tell you is how people used a word once upon a time. By the time anything "qualifies" to be entered into Merriam-Webster, language has already moved on. And furthermore, people DO use words "wrong", or use the "wrong" words ("wrong" meaning in a way that conflicts with the dictionary definition) all the time, like your example of the developer and "delay", but that doesn't mean it's impossible to understand what they're trying to say. In fact, the developer you quoted made himself very clear. I struggle to believe that you actually failed to comprehend him, and can only conclude that you were being willfully belligerent. Evolving and changing doesn't mean it's not structured and conventional. There can be a structure, it can evolve and change within that structure paying attention to conventions within communities. If a new word is used often and in the same way, it's usually adopted within a community's lexicon. If Billy Bob down the street and his small group of friends starts ending all their words with "bo" then that probably won't get adopted into a community's lexicon. Well sometimes it doesn't but it usually takes force of some kind to change that. A community is a group of people with things in common. The English speaking community is a rather large community, smaller communities include gamers, minority groups, sports people, all of who will have their own lingo, words, and conventions. Anyway encouraging random developing companies to use words however they feel like is not and has never been sensible. Words convey ideas and imagery, if you use a word against itsis generally accepted meaning you are not being creative, artsy, or expressing your right to ... freedom of speech (heh), you're just muddling meaning. That's all you're doing. Unless you're Shakespeare, and you have influence and can use that influence to get other people to pick up your words and use them freely and commonly, and I'm guessing being pals with Royalty helps there, you're not achieving much.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 15, 2021 8:25:15 GMT
However BioWare or anyone else defines live service, it must have been different enough from their standard patch/DLC post launch support routine to require a reboot of Dragon Age 4 (from Joplin to Morrison, and now back to single player only). If live service (according to BioWare) was defined as "patches and DLC post launch", then no reboot would have been necessary because they had been doing that for many years now. Patches can't possibly require a reboot, and neither should DLC, certainly not while the game is still in pre-production and DLC can be planned for accordingly. Whatever the reboots did, it must have been such a significant change to the game's structure that it could not be accomplished by patching or adding DLC. That doesn't follow. We don't know anything at all about the initial version of the game and we don't know what changed and we don't know what has changed now. Schrier's giant 'expose' was just a whole lot of gossip about workplace drama from anonymous sources. It didn't actually tell us anything about any version of DA4. The people on the development side OBVIOUSLY have a different perspective on the situation from the people who aren't on the development side, and they have reasons for using the terms they use that don't necessarily have anything to do with trying to trick people out of their money or whatever. River82 (or someone else with a blank profile, I'm not going back to check) had a big ol' bitchfit about a dev using the term 'delay' "wrong", because it didn't align with Merriam-Webster, *legasp*. But to anyone with half a brain, it's obvious what the developer MEANT in the quote used, if you bother to actually read it, even if his manner of phrasing was poor or confusing. I don't even know why anyone is bringing up dictionary definitions. English is constantly evolving, and dictionaries are, at best, an imperfect tool when it comes to determining the meaning of a particular word. But since people HAVE brought dictionaries into it, the precious Merriam-Webster doesn't HAVE a definition for 'live service' or 'live-service' or any permutation of the term that I've ever heard of. I just checked. your sacrifice will be honored in the coming Empire. |
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 8:33:05 GMT
Not so much incorrect, more a non-tech definition (target audience) meant to convey the notion rather than be bogged down in specifics during an article that is really about other stuff. It conveys some of the sort of things people can expect to see in Live service games which is fine *shrugs*. But no it's not about, and never has been about single player DLC, patches, expansions or anything like that. Sanunes posted an interesting thought of what gamers might consider to be live servicey, but single player DLC is right out lol What is DLC, then, if not a method of monetizing a game over an extended period? And what does being single-player have to do with live services? As I keep saying, plenty of single-player games have live services. Generally the way to keep a game monetized is to keep people playing your game. I mean DLC helps obviously in keeping people coming back, depending on what your DLC is actually, horse armor won't keep people engaged. Live service games have a very long tail because they can be updated continuously with additional content that keeps people playing, new grinds are added because that keeps people in the game and then when you have people playing you have other options to make money like crown store packages. Single player games can be live service games like Assassins Creed for sure. Single player DLC by themselves don't make a live service game though. Take a look at the following slide, the top point, you want that recurring revenue usually or a continuous stream of revenue. Single DLCs don't really do that: i.imgur.com/7rMjY8u.png
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 12:20:41 GMT
And furthermore, people DO use words "wrong", or use the "wrong" words ("wrong" meaning in a way that conflicts with the dictionary definition) all the time, like your example of the developer and "delay", but that doesn't mean it's impossible to understand what they're trying to say. In fact, the developer you quoted made himself very clear. Yes, the developer made clear, while giving the definition of a delay, as to why the game was being delayed, but that it wasn't actually a delay. So excuse us if we can't make heads or tails of the reasoning. Especially when we know for a fact that Anthem wasn't nearly close to ready on launch. Imagine if Anthem had been released "feature complete" in ... when was it supposed to launch? November 2018? Can you imagine it being the same game, the same exact experience, you got in February? Even when the experience you got on the February launch was unacceptable, still? Are you trying to take me for a ride? I don't have a problem with it, but there better be some candy in that van. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 15, 2021 13:53:07 GMT
Not so much incorrect, more a non-tech definition (target audience) meant to convey the notion rather than be bogged down in specifics during an article that is really about other stuff. It conveys some of the sort of things people can expect to see in Live service games which is fine *shrugs*. But no it's not about, and never has been about single player DLC, patches, expansions or anything like that. Sanunes posted an interesting thought of what gamers might consider to be live servicey, but single player DLC is right out lol What is DLC, then, if not a method of monetizing a game over an extended period? And what does being single-player have to do with live services? As I keep saying, plenty of single-player games have live services. All games made now technically have “live services” attached to them in some form or another, but not all games are designed as a storefront comprised of neverending unlockable items to generate recurring revenue either, which would be the defining characteristic of a game as a service.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 14:41:04 GMT
And furthermore, people DO use words "wrong", or use the "wrong" words ("wrong" meaning in a way that conflicts with the dictionary definition) all the time, like your example of the developer and "delay", but that doesn't mean it's impossible to understand what they're trying to say. In fact, the developer you quoted made himself very clear. Yes, the developer made clear, while giving the definition of a delay, as to why the game was being delayed, but that it wasn't actually a delay. So excuse us if we can't make heads or tails of the reasoning. Especially when we know for a fact that Anthem wasn't nearly close to ready on launch. Imagine if Anthem had been released "feature complete" in ... when was it supposed to launch? November 2018? Can you imagine it being the same game, the same exact experience, you got in February? Even when the experience you got on the February launch was unacceptable, still? Are you trying to take me for a ride? I don't have a problem with it, but there better be some candy in that van. I didn't buy Anthem and have never played Anthem, but it's pretty obvious, even just from that single quote that River82 decided to provide without any sort of source link or additional context, that what they meant was that the base game was finished (whether or not you think they were telling the truth is irrelevent to the point), and that the change in the release date was for reasons unrelated to the product being supposedly unfinished. And it's pretty obvious why they would need to make that distinction, because in the context of the game industry and the gaming community, the term "delay" comes with all sorts of extra implications that have nothing to do with the STRICK DISHONARY DEFINISSHON of the term that you and River82 are so damn horny for.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 14:51:27 GMT
What is DLC, then, if not a method of monetizing a game over an extended period? And what does being single-player have to do with live services? As I keep saying, plenty of single-player games have live services. Generally the way to keep a game monetized is to keep people playing your game. I mean DLC helps obviously in keeping people coming back, depending on what your DLC is actually, horse armor won't keep people engaged. Oh lord, get over it. Oblivion was 15 years ago. As time has proven, people are totally willing to pay even a lot of money for purely cosmetic in-game items, even if you aren't, and many games sell them. I understand perfectly well how YOU define a live-service game. What you haven't convinced me of is why I should accept your definition over anyone else's. If all you can back it up with is a single powerpoint slide, I'm not impressed. For all I know, you made it yourself.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 15, 2021 14:53:17 GMT
Man, I really hope Dragon Age turns out to be good, then I can embrace my pettiness and dole out my neener-neeners to the multiplayer crowd.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 15, 2021 14:54:46 GMT
Lol, I promise people who enjoy multiplayer games are not thinking of you at all.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 15, 2021 15:35:11 GMT
I didn't buy Anthem and have never played Anthem, but it's pretty obvious, even just from that single quote that River82 decided to provide without any sort of source link or additional context, that what they meant was that the base game was finished (whether or not you think they were telling the truth is irrelevent to the point), and that the change in the release date was for reasons unrelated to the product being supposedly unfinished. Which was an obvious lie, as the game wasn't nearly finished when it did come out, let alone three months prior to that. Which makes it a clear case of bullshittery. I did, however, run my mouth by thinking you would remember the history behind it. For which I apologize. It was wrong of me to assume as such. And it's pretty obvious why they would need to make that distinction, because in the context of the game industry and the gaming community, the term "delay" comes with all sorts of extra implications that have nothing to do with the STRICK DISHONARY DEFINISSHON of the term that you and River82 are so damn horny for. But the reason behind the delay ... the developer said it wasn't a delay. Then, he gave the textbook definition of the word delay as to describe what he considered it, but insisted that it wasn't actually a delay. It was like if I presented you with a glass of water, then proceeded to say "well, this isn't really water, but merely a H2O liquid mixture". You'd glance at me funny. |
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 15, 2021 16:50:44 GMT
I'm am somewhat optimistic as I've always been. To hear that the next DA will be SP only would've made me happy a few years ago, but since we may still get lootboxes (which, as opposed to MP, are evil rather than superflous), I remain wary. "Live services" is just an excuse to implement mechanisms that turn gamers into addicts.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 15, 2021 18:45:19 GMT
I'm am somewhat optimistic as I've always been. To hear that the next DA will be SP only would've made me happy a few years ago, but since we may still get lootboxes (which, as opposed to MP, are evil rather than superflous), I remain wary. "Live services" is just an excuse to implement mechanisms that turn gamers into addicts. If this was Ubisoft I would say it’s a guarantee, but it’s never happened in a BioWare game before, so there’s always hope.
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 20:55:55 GMT
If all you can back it up with is a single powerpoint slide, I'm not impressed. For all I know, you made it yourself. Pessimist ... that slide was made by Ubisoft as part of their quarterly earnings report. kotaku.com/why-ubisoft-is-obsessed-with-games-as-a-service-1822938255I'm not here to convince you, or Colfoley, of anything because I know you're too emotionally invested to accept arguments. But this is how the community defines live service games.
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Post by river82 on Mar 15, 2021 20:59:51 GMT
Which was an obvious lie, as the game wasn't nearly finished when it did come out, let alone three months prior to that. Which makes it a clear case of bullshittery. I did, however, run my mouth by thinking you would remember the history behind it. For which I apologize. It was wrong of me to assume as such. What makes this quote worse like ... I always feel like if you straight up lie you're being pretty unprofessional. But this guy not only straight up lied but he insulted the people who said otherwise and said "they were trying to create a story". Oh I'm pretty sure no story needs to be "created", Andrew I'm pretty sure there's a nice, big, fat, juicy story right there ... which Jason's probably already revealed fully.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 15, 2021 22:11:14 GMT
If all you can back it up with is a single powerpoint slide, I'm not impressed. For all I know, you made it yourself. Pessimist ... that slide was made by Ubisoft as part of their quarterly earnings report. kotaku.com/why-ubisoft-is-obsessed-with-games-as-a-service-1822938255I'm not here to convince you, or Colfoley, of anything because I know you're too emotionally invested to accept arguments. But this is how the community defines live service games. make good arguments and I'd accept them. Basing your entire argument on what the majority of some nebulous 'community' might think isn't a compelling argument. Hell it sort of goes into what Stallin had to say about voting. Just because you seem to think the 'community' has come to accept your definition of the word gives you the 'right' to define the word and call people liars despite anyones logical disagreement. I don't buy your definition, i know others who agree with me, bioware doesen't and the rest of the industry seems to support that definition. Sure you may be right the 'community' may agree with you but massive amounts of people come together and mske illogical, inconsistent, and sometimes insane usages of words all the time. So yeah, when you make good arguments...as people have in this thread..I'll be prepared to accept them. |
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