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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 22:35:49 GMT
SirSourpuss. Do you have direct contact with BW staff directing the new ME? I don't see any easy way out of the mess they put themselves into back in 2012.
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Post by Radec on Mar 22, 2021 23:04:21 GMT
The definitive edition of ME3 has multiplayer included - end of story. To not include multiplayer support is doing new and old players a massive disservice as they are only getting an incomplete experience for full retail price which is not fair and a disservice to all who worked on it and supported it for years I think this might be overstating ME3MP’s importance to the franchise just a bit. In any case, a remastered ME3MP would likely be its own isolated sandbox on each platform, so aside from not having crossplay, players who have been playing ME3MP all this time will probably have to start from scratch, losing all the stuff they might have actually paid real money to get. The “full retail price” complaint kind of rings hollow when that’s normally the price of a single game rather than an entire trilogy, and that’s not even counting the expansion content. Never spent real money and wouldn't have minded grinding my manifest the hard way again. Unlocking all the uncommons and rares doesn't take long anyway. It's only if you wanna be a sperg and get a Javelin X that it takes forever. Not including it is the reason I'm not getting LE. The MP is pretty much the only reason to bother with including ME3 in my book. 2 is fine as is. The improvements to 1 look okay, but not worth $60 to me. Who knows how common this sentiment is, though.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 22, 2021 23:04:41 GMT
Do you have direct contact with BW staff directing the new ME? Directing? No. Other staff? Yes, but not for the past 9 months. Even so, I am here because this place is not densely populated, to get lost in and it is being much more easily and effectively monitored. Indirectly, we have their ears and much more efficiently than some people here might realize. I know this for a fact. I don't see any easy way put of the mess they put themselves into back in 2012. Raycevick makes a pretty good case for going with a canon ME3 ending and moving forward with it. The endings are a curse. They will always hang over the franchise. Bioware could even say that it was a unreliably story told by the Stargazer. Unreliable Narrator is always an option. Like, none of the things, as supposedly told by the Stargazer, are exactly true or false, just unreliable. So maybe the reality is much different. Maybe the Stargazer scene takes place in a remote human colony that doesn't get much traffic and no aliens, which is why grandpa Stargazer tells kid Stargazer that he might meet aliens someday. If he gets his ass off the colony. The actual ending was something else. As in the "Hackett Ending" that ... themikefest has been talking about? Did I get that right? my memory is a mess. You know, the Crucible fired, the Reapers died, nothing's broken. Perhaps even the Citadel wasn't moved. Or they put it back later, I don't know. There are ways out of it. I don't think anyone cares a lot about the ending option, but Control and Synthesis are too complicated to move forward with. The Reapers being around is just not a viable moving forward option. Either alive and patrolling the MW or just misplaced back into Dark Space. Because then you'll have to bring them back at some point and, let's face it, ME3 ruined them forever. There's no coming back for them. And if Bioware thinks otherwise, I strongly urge them to reconsider. And while a return to the MW isn't the end all be all, a return to the old crew is. The fanbase losing its shit at the mere sight of Liara and the implication (Shepard is back etc.) of the Will Continue trailer is testament to that. A new crew, right now, is just not happening, no matter how much Bioware wishes it to. And if they still think they can, I strongly urge them to reconsider, again. A lot of people will be let down and move away, from such a reveal. And I understand the argument about "old baggage, new crowd", but isn't Bioware releasing a remaster of the MET exactly for the reason to get new people in? Only to what? Have them drop the next game? Seems counter productive to me.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 22, 2021 23:07:20 GMT
ah yes, Priority Earth. How different it would have been if Bioware had more time? They already remade the ending once, they called it the extended cut, so I doubt they would do a remake, oops, I mean an extended cut part 2. I liked the ending, well, at least the part seeing the reapers fall over.
My issue with Priority Earth started before the fleets headed to earth. I recall a poster saying it would have been nice if a couple of side missions were included before doing the who wants to commit suicide beam run. I agree. Maybe one of the missions could be helping a platoon of soldiers fighting the uglies while trying to destroy a processing ship. Once done, that platoon helps on the final run to the beam. You liked that? It always makes me sad lol.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 22, 2021 23:15:52 GMT
ah yes, Priority Earth. How different it would have been if Bioware had more time? They already remade the ending once, they called it the extended cut, so I doubt they would do a remake, oops, I mean an extended cut part 2. I liked the ending, well, at least the part seeing the reapers fall over.
My issue with Priority Earth started before the fleets headed to earth. I recall a poster saying it would have been nice if a couple of side missions were included before doing the who wants to commit suicide beam run. I agree. Maybe one of the missions could be helping a platoon of soldiers fighting the uglies while trying to destroy a processing ship. Once done, that platoon helps on the final run to the beam. You liked that? It always makes me sad lol. Tears of pure joy.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 22, 2021 23:22:17 GMT
You liked that? It always makes me sad lol. Tears of pure joy. Lol. Not for me. I feel it's quite sad that the Reapers -or at least Harbinger- is Millions of years old and then just falls over dead. I still pick the Destroy ending though.
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Post by Radec on Mar 22, 2021 23:30:07 GMT
Lol. Not for me. I feel it's quite sad that the Reapers -or at least Harbinger- is Millions of years old and then just falls over dead. I still pick the Destroy ending though. don't worry it was apparently just a mindless bot controlled by a petulant holographic child VI or at least that's what the 3rd game told me
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 23, 2021 0:09:06 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 23, 2021 0:55:26 GMT
As in the "Hackett Ending" that ... themikefest has been talking about? Did I get that right? my memory is a mess. You know, the Crucible fired, the Reapers died, nothing's broken. Perhaps even the Citadel wasn't moved. Or they put it back later, I don't know. Hackett's ending. After the coup, the player, Shepard, learns from Hackett the ones building the crucible say it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. That's your ending. A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires the red wave destroying the reapers. What it does is remove everything after that. It leaves open for a sequel with Shepard returning or with all new characters. What about the intelligence Leviathan spoke of? Simple. While in the hospital, Shepard tells Hackett that she/he never encountered this intelligence that Leviathan mentioned. That will be the mission. To locate this intelligence and destroy it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 23, 2021 1:06:33 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds. It’s like Independence Day. Big Dumb Ending has to ignore basic physics.
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Post by Radec on Mar 23, 2021 1:16:36 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds. It’s like Independence Day. Big Dumb Ending has to ignore basic physics. The game started ignoring physics long before that. The whole setup to Priority Earth is absolutely ridiculous. You've got a million ships coming though the relay and firing a billion mass accelerator rounds (each with the force of a nuclear weapon) at the Reapers sitting with their back to Earth. Hope literally none of them missed! Take back Earth? Shouldn't be anything left to take back. But then we and our entire squad should have been vaporized earlier on Rannoch when we stood literally meters from a Reaper getting bombed by these weapons.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 23, 2021 1:22:17 GMT
It’s like Independence Day. Big Dumb Ending has to ignore basic physics. The game started ignoring physics long before that. The whole setup to Priority Earth is absolutely ridiculous. You've got a million ships coming though the relay and firing a billion mass accelerator rounds (each with the force of a nuclear weapon) at the Reapers sitting with their back to Earth. Hope literally none of them missed! Take back Earth? Shouldn't be anything left to take back. But then we and our entire squad should have been vaporized earlier on Rannoch when we stood literally meters from a Reaper getting bombed by these weapons. That actually should have been one of the choices for the ending. Stop the Reapers, sacrifice Earth.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 23, 2021 1:29:21 GMT
Lol, gamers always be like "It's a totally missed opportunity that Company X isn't spending millions of more dollars and several more years on my personal dream game".
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Post by Phantom on Mar 23, 2021 1:35:53 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds. If I had another thread that is a dedicated Milk way game that could address the endings. No, Shepard will not be the main player character within this. There are several PC ideas I might use.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 23, 2021 1:43:41 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds. Take a look at your green. A destroyer walking/crawling down main street while organics rebuild. Sure going to be hard to rebuild with a reaper shaking the ground. Yep. It's confirmed. Green makes machines and organics stupid. Hmmm. Much like indoctrination does.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 23, 2021 2:17:21 GMT
The Reapers falling down dead annoys me. With how massive they are, one dreadnought falling down would kill everyone within a few miles due to the force when it hits and yet it does no damage. Also they fall down way too fast. It would take almost half a minute for them to fall, not only a couple seconds. Take a look at your green. A destroyer walking/crawling down main street while organics rebuild. Sure going to be hard to rebuild with a reaper shaking the ground. Yep. It's confirmed. Green makes machines and organics stupid. Hmmm. Much like indoctrination does. I agree to an extent (Reapers themselves are better suited for huge projects like repairing Mass Relays while things like husks do small scale repairs) though at least that one can be explained by mass effect, which doesn’t work when the Reapers are dead thus not applying it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 23, 2021 2:21:16 GMT
It’s like Independence Day. Big Dumb Ending has to ignore basic physics. The game started ignoring physics long before that. The whole setup to Priority Earth is absolutely ridiculous. You've got a million ships coming though the relay and firing a billion mass accelerator rounds (each with the force of a nuclear weapon) at the Reapers sitting with their back to Earth. Hope literally none of them missed! Take back Earth? Shouldn't be anything left to take back. But then we and our entire squad should have been vaporized earlier on Rannoch when we stood literally meters from a Reaper getting bombed by these weapons. Then of course even after Reapers are defeated, once their bodies fall to the Earth that’ll kill everyone anyway. Destroyers will leave craters around the size or bigger than Meteor Crater in Arizona, so hundreds of those. And Dreadnoughts are about a quarter the size of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, and while they wouldn’t fall as fast each would still hit hard enough to probably wipe out half a continent and there are dozens of them up there. Then of course all the dangerous elements like eezo irradiating everything.
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Post by Radec on Mar 23, 2021 2:37:06 GMT
The game started ignoring physics long before that. The whole setup to Priority Earth is absolutely ridiculous. You've got a million ships coming though the relay and firing a billion mass accelerator rounds (each with the force of a nuclear weapon) at the Reapers sitting with their back to Earth. Hope literally none of them missed! Take back Earth? Shouldn't be anything left to take back. But then we and our entire squad should have been vaporized earlier on Rannoch when we stood literally meters from a Reaper getting bombed by these weapons. Then of course even after Reapers are defeated, once their bodies fall to the Earth that’ll kill everyone anyway. Destroyers will leave craters around the size or bigger than Meteor Crater in Arizona, so hundreds of those. And Dreadnoughts are about a quarter the size of the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, and while they wouldn’t fall as fast each would still hit hard enough to probably wipe out half a continent and there are dozens of them up there. Then of course all the dangerous elements like eezo irradiating everything. they ignored things like this the second it became inconvenient to making a big cool (dumb) action scene masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/Codex/Ships_and_Vehicles#Space_Combat:_Planetary_AssaultsBut I knew we were in for this 5 minutes into Vancouver when you see a Dreadnought in atmo (this can't happen, frigates are the largest vessels that can do this) which is only there to get blown up.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 23, 2021 2:45:18 GMT
Lets not forget indoctrination even a dead Reaper will screw with your mind so my question is who's doing the cleanup?
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Post by ahglock on Mar 23, 2021 2:49:41 GMT
We actually have no idea how much a race of mass manipulating AIs that large will do when they hit. If they instantly go full mass, the ones flying overhead would have a large impact but I don't think anywhere near continent destroyer level, but they are pretty much always moving around at low mass most likely.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 23, 2021 2:52:59 GMT
As in the "Hackett Ending" that ... themikefest has been talking about? Did I get that right? my memory is a mess. You know, the Crucible fired, the Reapers died, nothing's broken. Perhaps even the Citadel wasn't moved. Or they put it back later, I don't know. Hackett's ending. After the coup, the player, Shepard, learns from Hackett the ones building the crucible say it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. That's your ending. A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires the red wave destroying the reapers. What it does is remove everything after that. It leaves open for a sequel with Shepard returning or with all new characters. What about the intelligence Leviathan spoke of? Simple. While in the hospital, Shepard tells Hackett that she/he never encountered this intelligence that Leviathan mentioned. That will be the mission. To locate this intelligence and destroy it. I gotta ask... why are you still trying to make "Hackett's ending" happen?
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 23, 2021 2:54:03 GMT
You guys remember that the premise of the entire series is predicated on the existence of a magic rock that lets you travel at light speed and move shit with your mind, right?
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Post by ahglock on Mar 23, 2021 2:54:05 GMT
It’s like Independence Day. Big Dumb Ending has to ignore basic physics. The game started ignoring physics long before that. The whole setup to Priority Earth is absolutely ridiculous. You've got a million ships coming though the relay and firing a billion mass accelerator rounds (each with the force of a nuclear weapon) at the Reapers sitting with their back to Earth. Hope literally none of them missed! Take back Earth? Shouldn't be anything left to take back. But then we and our entire squad should have been vaporized earlier on Rannoch when we stood literally meters from a Reaper getting bombed by these weapons. very few if any likely missed, even if they missed their target the mass of reapers was enough odds are you'd hit one behind it. Then it might fragment when hitting the atmosphere having only small particles hit the earth.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 23, 2021 2:57:10 GMT
Hackett's ending. After the coup, the player, Shepard, learns from Hackett the ones building the crucible say it has enough energy to destroy the reapers. That's your ending. A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires the red wave destroying the reapers. What it does is remove everything after that. It leaves open for a sequel with Shepard returning or with all new characters. What about the intelligence Leviathan spoke of? Simple. While in the hospital, Shepard tells Hackett that she/he never encountered this intelligence that Leviathan mentioned. That will be the mission. To locate this intelligence and destroy it. I gotta ask... why are you still trying to make "Hackett's ending" happen? I'm not mike, but its not a shit ending at least, and one easy to implement. Writing a large new ending would be outside the scope of work they are willing to do. Triggering the red wave of pure awesome before you meet star brat is adjust camera angle level work. Furthermore you have 1 unified ending for future games and you can alter a couple things like if the geth survive or not.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 23, 2021 3:00:16 GMT
I gotta ask... why are you still trying to make "Hackett's ending" happen? I'm not mike, but its not a shit ending at least, and one easy to implement. Writing a large new ending would be outside the scope of work they are willing to do. Triggering the red wave of pure awesome before you meet star brat is adjust camera angle level work. Furthermore you have 1 unified ending for future games and you can alter a couple things like if the geth survive or not. Adding any new *anything* is outside the scope of the work they're willing to do, as they made clear when they announced the remaster was even happening.
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