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Post by The Elder King on Mar 26, 2021 20:49:28 GMT
I’d say that the LE overall isn’t a lazy cash grab, because I don’t think what there’s doing with ME is that small. But it’s true that for ME2 and ME3 they’re doing the bare minimum. I’d say that using the ‘keeping the experience the same as in the original trilogy’ is a lame excuse, expecially for certain things where it’d serve them better to simply say that it’d require them too much work for the resources at the disposal of the LE.
I do think that a full remake or a remaster with additional content would’ve gathered a lot more interest, expecially in regards of ME3, but as I said before, I don’t really think EA have enough time and budget to do so.
I’d also say this: depending on the aumont of connections between the original trilogy and NME, the LE could make a lot of sense, in regards of connecting the new players to the new game.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 26, 2021 21:06:15 GMT
I’d say that the LE overall isn’t a lazy cash grab, because I don’t think what there’s doing with ME is that small. But it’s true that for ME2 and ME3 they’re doing the bare minimum. I’d say that using the ‘keeping the experience the same as in the original trilogy’ is a lame excuse, expecially for certain things where it’d serve them better to simply say that it’d require them too much work for the resources at the disposal of the LE. I do think that a full remake or a remaster with additional content would’ve gathered a lot more interest, expecially in regards of ME3, but as I said before, I don’t really think EA have enough time and budget to do so. I’d also say this: depending on the aumont of connections between the original trilogy and NME, the LE could make a lot of sense, in regards of connecting the new players to the new game. I think they have the budget it's more I think they don't want to spend those resources because the yknow tha tspending so much would be a gamble because it's likely those that have mad epeac ewithth eendings or at leas tlike them won' tb einterested in a remqake tha tmuc hof a game that in truthis no ttha tol dand doesn't look like it's aged tha tbadly anyway. It's onl ybeen ME1 that's needed the overhaul and thus the only one that's really getting it. TBHth eo0nly reason I' m mildly interestede in the LE is for the galactic readiness and not having to play around with the N7HQ app any longer. Other than that tbh I could happily leave it as I'm quite happy continuing to play with the originals. I onl yplayed aroun dwithth eapp eso I didn' t have to mess about doing multiplayer
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 26, 2021 21:25:59 GMT
I don't think people know what a cash grab is anymore. Everything seems to be a cash grab now a days. Just like people don't seem to understand the difference between a remaster and a remake. Dark Souls Remastered is an example of a remaster were they take the original game and upgrade the visual and maybe some behind the scenes upgrades but leaves fundamentally the same game. A remake is when they completely remake the game from the ground up. Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a good example as they literally remade the combat system, story, dialogue, etc. And while it still follows the same basic outline of the original FF7 you can also see the clear deviations from the original as well as the easter eggs from the original like Barret occasionally singing the victory song from the original when you win a fight.
I must say this push by the gaming community to scream cash grab about anything they personally do not like is rather depressing.
A "cash grab" is a minimum effort activity to get people to repurchase something that they already own. For instance I don't remember how many different copies I have of the Star Wars OT. I have the originals on VHS, I have a remastered SW where clouds on Bespin can be seen where there were once drab hallways... the list goes on for a while. Basically I kept up with the different video formats and editions as they came out. (No matter how you cut it though, "Han shot first" is my stance.) My point is each edition of the Trilogy was remastered, and those remasters changed the original content with each iteration. Eventually the original was changed so much that Han didn't shoot first. Enough about StarWars, but we can admit that it made George Lucas a LOT of money - because Lucasfilm put in the effort and people bought it. Remasters can change the content, and there are differing levels of effort that can be put into said remasters. You want to put enough effort into your remaster to get people to buy it. Too little effort is where I draw the line and declare something a "cash grab". BioWare can make changes to the games. They have that ability, even though they may not want to put in the effort. That's why the whole deal about losing the source code for Pinnacle Station is a (sort of) big deal, because they can't polish it up. Personally, I like Pinnacle Station and still play it on every single playthrough. I like getting Geth Pulse Rifle X with 3 upgrade slots, and I ALWAYS equip one on Tali'Zorah as an inside joke. It makes meeting her on Freedom's Progress that much more special. If I owned BioWare, I would make the Mass Effect Legendary Edition truly legendary. I would change those endings, for absolutely sure. I'd change the Termi-Reaper in ME2 into something a little less awful and lore breaking. In all honesty I'd remaster ME1 and 2 and remake ME3 entirely. Come to think of it, it would be smarter to remake ME3 first, and to make the L.E. (remaster) after that. People used to love Mass Effect, and by extension BioWare. ME3 changed all of that. BioWare changed, too. Andromeda and Anthem are proof enough. This franchise could be re-ignited, just like Malkua's song said that it could. The question is, can BioWare do it? K, I see your point of view (and I could be wrong) but cash grab as I know it was all about transaction boxes or mtx for short not remasters and remakes, when it comes to them you either buy them or not simple look at the trend with Bioware/EA MEA was put on Ice for the New IPO Anthem (guessing here) then Anthem was canceled so they have the people for the new Anthem then that got caned so they had the people to work DA4 and a remaster of ME, ME was just filler to give us something to do while waiting on DA4 think about it Bioware hasn't made a dine since Anthem and who knows when DA4 will hit the streets.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 26, 2021 21:36:07 GMT
I will say this much, had BioWare done more than just spit-polish and tweak the game and actually dared to make some story changes, I would have been infinitely more intrigued to get something different than tread over all the same ground with a new pair of glasses. I never really understood all the hype around it. It’s nice to be able to play the game on newer consoles, but if it’s all the same exact stories 1:1, swell I guess. They could have, at the very minimum, restored a bunch of cut content that is already in the files (M/M Kaidan from ME1, the more open ended recruitment in ME2 where you get all the dossiers at the beginning and recruit in any order, loads of stuff from ME3), that doesn't alter the plot. Some of it needed fixing up and debugging, but that's at least a little bit of actual work and would've given players a bit more content to chew on. Would've garnered my interest at least, if say Ashley got her much needed dialogue scenes back (she's barely a character in ME3) and a few ignored ME2 squaddies got more content. Nope, change the lighting, move the ass cam up a tick, done. So it pretty much is a lazy cash grab. There are plenty of things they could've fixed (many of which were cut due to running out of time, not artistic choices) that, contrary to their banal "artistic integrity" excuse, wouldn't have changed the narrative or themes, merely added context that is often desperately needed. Edit: Also, put ME3MP back in FFS. It's pretty much the only thing good about that game and its getting left out for reasons of laziness That is true they could have added cut scenes after all the voice acting was already done cut and paste so who is to say they didn't ? all I saw from the trailer was graphics up date, we will see on May 14.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Mar 26, 2021 21:40:49 GMT
I’d also say this: depending on the aumont of connections between the original trilogy and NME, the LE could make a lot of sense, in regards of connecting the new players to the new game. I have very little faith we will get anything other than Liara. Which ... is not a selling point for me.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 26, 2021 21:46:48 GMT
I don't think people know what a cash grab is anymore. Everything seems to be a cash grab now a days. Just like people don't seem to understand the difference between a remaster and a remake. Dark Souls Remastered is an example of a remaster were they take the original game and upgrade the visual and maybe some behind the scenes upgrades but leaves fundamentally the same game. A remake is when they completely remake the game from the ground up. Final Fantasy 7 Remake is a good example as they literally remade the combat system, story, dialogue, etc. And while it still follows the same basic outline of the original FF7 you can also see the clear deviations from the original as well as the easter eggs from the original like Barret occasionally singing the victory song from the original when you win a fight.
I must say this push by the gaming community to scream cash grab about anything they personally do not like is rather depressing.
A "cash grab" is a minimum effort activity to get people to repurchase something that they already own. For instance I don't remember how many different copies I have of the Star Wars OT. I have the originals on VHS, I have a remastered SW where clouds on Bespin can be seen where there were once drab hallways... the list goes on for a while. Basically I kept up with the different video formats and editions as they came out. (No matter how you cut it though, "Han shot first" is my stance.) My point is each edition of the Trilogy was remastered, and those remasters changed the original content with each iteration. Eventually the original was changed so much that Han didn't shoot first. Enough about StarWars, but we can admit that it made George Lucas a LOT of money - because Lucasfilm put in the effort and people bought it. Remasters can change the content, and there are differing levels of effort that can be put into said remasters. You want to put enough effort into your remaster to get people to buy it. Too little effort is where I draw the line and declare something a "cash grab". BioWare can make changes to the games. They have that ability, even though they may not want to put in the effort. That's why the whole deal about losing the source code for Pinnacle Station is a (sort of) big deal, because they can't polish it up. Personally, I like Pinnacle Station and still play it on every single playthrough. I like getting Geth Pulse Rifle X with 3 upgrade slots, and I ALWAYS equip one on Tali'Zorah as an inside joke. It makes meeting her on Freedom's Progress that much more special. If I owned BioWare, I would make the Mass Effect Legendary Edition truly legendary. I would change those endings, for absolutely sure. I'd change the Termi-Reaper in ME2 into something a little less awful and lore breaking. In all honesty I'd remaster ME1 and 2 and remake ME3 entirely. Come to think of it, it would be smarter to remake ME3 first, and to make the L.E. (remaster) after that. People used to love Mass Effect, and by extension BioWare. ME3 changed all of that. BioWare changed, too. Andromeda and Anthem are proof enough. This franchise could be re-ignited, just like Malkua's song said that it could. The question is, can BioWare do it? Your example of Lucas which has always had the infamous issue of never being satisfied with Star Wars before it was literally taken off his hand by Disney is not the same as a remaster. There is not 10 versions of Mass Effect were they changed a slight thing and released it as a new game. There is and only has ever been 1 version of each game and it has been the same since the final patch was released.
Remasters do make changes but they do not fundamentally alter the game. In this case they are over hauling Mass Effect 1's combat slightly. Keeping it in the same ball park but updating it to remove some of the complaints about the system that was already old when the game was released. Like the fact you almost literally can't hit something with a weapon if your class doesn't specialize in it.
Pinnacle Station has been missing since the PS3 release of the game. You can't just download the DLC and clicks a button and reverse engineer it. They didn't release it for the PS3 when they were selling the game they are not going to go though all the effort to release it now.
Wiki says Geth Pulse Rifle only has 2 upgrade slots at level X. So sounds like you are using a gun that is modded that way. So that is pretty irrelevant to pinnacle station DLC anyways.
And that is remake territory not remaster. See FF7 Remake as an example.
What you are ignoring is that they are doing all 3 games and all DLC is being upgraded. They are not doing a single game and charging you for DLC downloads while releasing the game one at a time. 3 games plus all the DLC getting remastered is a lot of work.
Based on my years of conversations this means a lot less then you think it does to me. And is incredibly hypocritical given your own statement that you wouldn't remake ME2 even though it is the biggest problem in the entire trilogy. Which is why I don't take a lot of complains about ME3 all that serious when they will die on a hill defending the burning trash fire that is Mass Effect 2.
All other aspects a side the literal 1 thing it does well the character development is inherently handicapped by the Suicide Mission which would by nature render all those new characters forcibly given reduced roles in the next game to be able to handle the fact they could be dead. Much in the same way Ash and Kaiden simply swap out each other depending on which survives Virmire.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 26, 2021 22:45:17 GMT
Why must everything be released be designed for everyone? That is one of the reasons why we are in the mess we are in because BioWare has tried to throw everything and the kitchen sink into their recent games to try and appease the internet masses.
If you don't think you are getting something you want out of the game its simple, its not a money grab its not for you. Its for the people that want it for consoles or want an upgraded version of ME1 or even all the people that don't have the DLC yet.
As far the complaints about MP I find funny. For I bet if BioWare did have MP in the MELE people would be then using that as an example of a money grab because the MTX would be there so they are opening the MP MTX gravy train for new players and abusing them.
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Post by midnightwolf on Mar 27, 2021 0:30:16 GMT
I had this MOD. It's very good. I especially LOVE hearing Harbinger chatting on the way to the beam. I get a nostalgic tear.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 27, 2021 4:53:06 GMT
I’d say that the LE overall isn’t a lazy cash grab, because I don’t think what there’s doing with ME is that small. But it’s true that for ME2 and ME3 they’re doing the bare minimum. I’d say that using the ‘keeping the experience the same as in the original trilogy’ is a lame excuse, expecially for certain things where it’d serve them better to simply say that it’d require them too much work for the resources at the disposal of the LE. I do think that a full remake or a remaster with additional content would’ve gathered a lot more interest, expecially in regards of ME3, but as I said before, I don’t really think EA have enough time and budget to do so. I’d also say this: depending on the aumont of connections between the original trilogy and NME, the LE could make a lot of sense, in regards of connecting the new players to the new game. I think they have the budget it's more I think they don't want to spend those resources because the yknow tha tspending so much would be a gamble because it's likely those that have mad epeac ewithth eendings or at leas tlike them won' tb einterested in a remqake tha tmuc hof a game that in truthis no ttha tol dand doesn't look like it's aged tha tbadly anyway. It's onl ybeen ME1 that's needed the overhaul and thus the only one that's really getting it. TBHth eo0nly reason I' m mildly interestede in the LE is for the galactic readiness and not having to play around with the N7HQ app any longer. Other than that tbh I could happily leave it as I'm quite happy continuing to play with the originals. I onl yplayed aroun dwithth eapp eso I didn' t have to mess about doing multiplayer If you mean budget overall, as a company, maybe. But I think EA allocates a specific budget per project, and I honestly doubt they allocated one that would be enough to cover all the changed and additions that go beyond what they did, or at least in regards of adding new content or cut content that would require a lot of additional work. SirSourpuss: I’d certainly not expect much more then that, to avoid any disappointment, but the possibility is there until we’ll get any info through official sources or leaks.
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 27, 2021 20:10:16 GMT
I think they have the budget it's more I think they don't want to spend those resources because the yknow tha tspending so much would be a gamble because it's likely those that have mad epeac ewithth eendings or at leas tlike them won' tb einterested in a remqake tha tmuc hof a game that in truthis no ttha tol dand doesn't look like it's aged tha tbadly anyway. It's onl ybeen ME1 that's needed the overhaul and thus the only one that's really getting it. TBHth eo0nly reason I' m mildly interestede in the LE is for the galactic readiness and not having to play around with the N7HQ app any longer. Other than that tbh I could happily leave it as I'm quite happy continuing to play with the originals. I onl yplayed aroun dwithth eapp eso I didn' t have to mess about doing multiplayer If you mean budget overall, as a company, maybe. But I think EA allocates a specific budget per project, and I honestly doubt they allocated one that would be enough to cover all the changed and additions that go beyond what they did, or at least in regards of adding new content or cut content that would require a lot of additional work. SirSourpuss : I’d certainly not expect much more then that, to avoid any disappointment, but the possibility is there until we’ll get any info through official sources or leaks. If its like where I have worked it goes into even more detail then that. I bet EA set aside so much for each individual change to ME1. It is to help manage overall costs and how to allocate developers and schedule their work load. I do agree even though there are plenty of backseat developers we don't know the costs for what people keep claiming should be done for the project.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2021 17:39:37 GMT
Here's my suggestion for the Day One Patch:
Does that work on Origin? Mods are way easier in the MET with UE than anything with Frostbite. WAY easier. It doesn't matter if you use Origin or Steam.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 6, 2021 17:52:53 GMT
Some people liked the ending. I dislike Starbrat, but there's a mod for that. A mod I use. That's assuming someone cares enough to remake it for the LE. As for the results of the endings themselves, that I don't care about. Yes, it screws up MW sequels but I have to assume they're going to leave the galaxy in the most "normal" state possible. Green circuitry and creepy reapers overhead wouldn't be normal. That said, even if green was chosen, we could get a "not everyone was happy with it and found a 'cure' for it". It wouldn't negate the ending but would allow for 'normal' organic beings to exist. Similarly, just because Shep's mind was uploaded to a reaper it doesn't mean s/he is brain dead. It would essentially be a copy in the reaper. At which point Living Shep convinces Creepy Shep to take the reapers and patrol the outer edges of the galaxy to prevent dangerous things from entering the galaxy, or even opening unused gates and exploring what's on the other side. In any of the choices, there could be some ending-specific dialogue, or even things like Shep dealing with Talitha or dealing with the Reds. It's there but ultimately not relevant to the game as a whole.
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