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Post by guanxi on Mar 21, 2021 8:17:36 GMT
I'm calling it now because you can see it coming from space. Speaking as somebody who ADORES the first game, I can't help but think giving ME1 a paint job at this point as the main project priority is seriously wrong-headed and a waste of time and effort. The biggest issue with the trilogy is not that ME1 looks and feels a bit dated now, it's that all of this leads up to 'Priority: Earth' and not addressing the fundamental issues with it in any significant way completely undoes and undercuts all of the great work you did on the remaster just as it did to the original franchise back in 2012. The fact that they seemingly haven't realized this yet almost a decade later is a harbinger of ill fate. The thought of replaying all of these games up to and including that point knowing the final destination is like planning your once in a lifetime trip around the world to end in Islamabad. You can't call Legendary Edition the definitive edition, because in order to install the definitive edition of ME3 at this point you need access to Nexus Mods.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 21, 2021 8:37:36 GMT
Here's my suggestion for the Day One Patch:
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Post by helios969 on Mar 21, 2021 9:04:13 GMT
Here's my suggestion for the Day One Patch:
Does that work on Origin?
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Post by guanxi on Mar 21, 2021 9:10:07 GMT
Here's my suggestion for the Day One Patch:
Does that work on Origin? Yep. It even works with ALOT for ME3 if you install that afterwards and then controller support if you want that too. |
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Post by Sanunes on Mar 21, 2021 12:55:54 GMT
You want them to make the game that appeals to you. What if I don't like what they do with the "new" ending does that mean they have to make Legendary Edition Pt 2. To satisfy what I want to see in the ending?
Not to mention the stupidity of trying to appease what the internet wants. You don't like it, that is fine and I can understand, but as a person that goes to forums a lot I really don't want to see "BioWare you made these changes, now go back and fix what I don't like". Its why they said outright they aren't changing the story and frankly I am glad they showed a spine there.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 21, 2021 14:41:13 GMT
I'm calling it now because you can see it coming from space. Speaking as somebody who ADORES the first game, I can't help but think giving ME1 a paint job at this point as the main project priority is seriously wrong-headed and a waste of time and effort. The biggest issue with the trilogy is not that ME1 looks and feels a bit dated now, it's that all of this leads up to 'Priority: Earth' and not addressing the fundamental issues with it in any significant way completely undoes and undercuts all of the great work you did on the remaster just as it did to the original franchise back in 2012. The fact that they seemingly haven't realized this yet almost a decade later is a harbinger of ill fate. The thought of replaying all of these games up to and including that point knowing the final destination is like planning your once in a lifetime trip around the world to end in Islamabad. You can't call Legendary Edition the definitive edition, because in order to install the definitive edition of ME3 at this point you need access to Nexus Mods. To be fair completely rewriting Mass Effect 2 goes beyond the Remaster level and into Remake.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 21, 2021 16:18:09 GMT
Priority Earth could and should have been so much more than it was. It was at this point that the series went off the rails and it has never recovered. As it is I like many others are very reluctant to re-tread and relieve the disappointment all over again. My disappointment and dissatisfaction with the ending of ME3 goes far beyond the 3 flawed 'choices' and how they were presented, the ruination of the Reaper mythology, etc. Just completely tonally at odds with the rest of the series. This was an opportunity for a do-over and they completely fumbled it.
9/10 people when they hear about a updated re-release of the Mass Effect trilogy for full RRP. Oh, so they have they finally fixed that terrible ending yet then? Nope. What!? But you can relive the crushing disappointment all over again in 4k. Erm.. hard pass.
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Post by traks on Mar 21, 2021 17:06:42 GMT
It's not a missed opportunity, because us oldtimers are not the target audience for this remaster. The legendary edition is there to pique interest in the new generation, before releasing fresh content for old and new ME fans with the next game.
Although I also would've played a remake with joy, I can totally understand, that it doesn't make any sense from a company standpoint to try a third time to touch the endings 9 years later, instead of just presenting the games as they are the best as they can, generate new fans by doing that (because they are still good enough for that) and then focus on new content for ME next.
Trying a remake is actually something where they can't win, if we have learned anything in the ending discussions over almost a decade.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2021 17:25:14 GMT
Some people liked the ending.
The ending isn't bad enough to me to warrant this level of...drama.
Do i qualify as an old timer? Either way I'm getting it.
To say the definive edition is only available on Nexus given that A. Most people ptobably play on console and B. Not everyone uses mods (i actually would never mod games myself because I'm against them, especially on this level) is nonsense.
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Post by guanxi on Mar 21, 2021 17:46:41 GMT
It's not a missed opportunity, because us oldtimers are not the target audience for this remaster. The legendary edition is there to pique interest in the new generation, before releasing fresh content for old and new ME fans with the next game. Although I also would've played a remake, I can totally understand, that it doesn't make any sense from a company standpoint to try a third time to touch the endings 9 years later, instead of just presenting the games as they are the best as they can, generate new fans by doing that (because they are still good enough for that) and then focus on new content for ME next. Trying a remake is actually something where they can't win, if we have learned anything in the ending discussions over almost a decade. The first game will always hold a special place in my heart, and I can see a whole new generation of gamers falling in love with it as I did. I can also see a whole new generation of gamers digging ME2 and then falling out of love with the series just as easily. They are going to have to deal with the ending to ME3 one way or another but it seems like they are kicking the can down the road once again, when imo this should have been the perfect opportunity to steer the ship back on course ahead of the next game and leave the series in a better place than their predecessors did 9 years ago.
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Post by traks on Mar 21, 2021 17:59:18 GMT
The ship will be back on course, if the next fresh game in the series delivers. A remake only helps a few that still can't let go. I doubt that new players, that a) get the extended cut from the beginning and  likely have heard about the controversy will make a big fuzz about the ending (other than maybe saying 'I expected more'). Especially, because they can play all three games directly after one another and don't have to wait multiple years in anticipation. If the reactions are negative it likely will come from said oldtimers that can't let go. Whether they have played the LE or not. For me the ending debacle is water under the bridge. More excited about the next ME, but interested to play ME1 with updates. So at some point I might pick the LE up. |
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Post by themikefest on Mar 21, 2021 18:03:36 GMT
ah yes, Priority Earth. How different it would have been if Bioware had more time? They already remade the ending once, they called it the extended cut, so I doubt they would do a remake, oops, I mean an extended cut part 2. I liked the ending, well, at least the part seeing the reapers fall over.
My issue with Priority Earth started before the fleets headed to earth. I recall a poster saying it would have been nice if a couple of side missions were included before doing the who wants to commit suicide beam run. I agree. Maybe one of the missions could be helping a platoon of soldiers fighting the uglies while trying to destroy a processing ship. Once done, that platoon helps on the final run to the beam.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 21, 2021 18:13:35 GMT
It's not a missed opportunity, because us oldtimers are not the target audience for this remaster. The legendary edition is there to pique interest in the new generation, before releasing fresh content for old and new ME fans with the next game. Although I also would've played a remake with joy, I can totally understand, that it doesn't make any sense from a company standpoint to try a third time to touch the endings 9 years later, instead of just presenting the games as they are the best as they can, generate new fans by doing that (because they are still good enough for that) and then focus on new content for ME next. Trying a remake is actually something where they can't win, if we have learned anything in the ending discussions over almost a decade. Yeah end o fthe day messing with the endings would just give people moer ammunition to fire at them and so the yprobably are best leaving the endings alone. I think most have learned to accept the endings now whether they like o rdislike them. Whilst I did find them a little weak I have accepted them tbh so I don' t think I'd want them to change it now tbh anyway. Mainly necause making on eend canon over any o fthe others would really piss a lot of people off at this stage and put them off byuin gany of Bioware's games again not to mention cause further fractuers to the fanbase. So based on that it's sometimes best to leave well alone and let the nwe generation who plays the remaster make up their own minds
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 21, 2021 18:18:57 GMT
The ship will be back on course, if the next fresh game in the series delivers. A remake only helps a few that still can't let go. I doubt that new players, that a) get the extended cut from the beginning and likely have heard about the controversy will make a big fuzz about the ending (other than maybe saying 'I expected more'). Especially, because they can play all three games directly after one another and don't have to wait multiple years in anticipation. If the reactions are negative it likely will come from said oldtimers that can't let go. Whether they have played the LE or not. For me the ending debacle is water under the bridge.
More excited about the next ME, but interested to play ME1 with updates. So at some point I might pick the LE up.Yeah I could be interested a tsom epoint though unlikely a tlaunch. As I'd perfer a nwe game wit ha nwe stor yover a game I've played ove r100 times that just recieved a paint job.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 21, 2021 19:00:55 GMT
I don’t think this is a missed opportunity at all; I see this simply as a stopgap, but it’s also a way to make more money out of a trilogy that’s almost a decade old, and shake up the search algorithms so that Ye Olde Mass Effect becomes a part of the public conscious again. My YouTube feed started showing bunches of old videos as well as a bunch of people talking about it, along with speculation about the new game. Seems to me that it’s already done its job,
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Post by obbie1984 on Mar 21, 2021 19:02:38 GMT
I don't think this is why its a missed opportunity.
This is a very well known and highly coveted gaming series. Outside of ME1, they seem to be doing the bare minimum for a re-release. ME2 and ME3 will probably only see light touch ups. Current Bioware is also more concerned with changing camera angles on a sexy character (they would probably put her in a parka if they could), than adding anything new or interesting. They aren't putting in any of the cut dialogue or giving us Legion earlier for example. It feels very lazy fir a series that deserves more.
This is their chance to earn back some good faith that Bioware has lost. But it all feels like a cash grab at the moment. Its especially concerning that the game launches in less than two months and we haven't seen a lot of the game yet. It gives me Andromeda vibes.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2021 19:19:49 GMT
I don't think this is why its a missed opportunity. This is a very well known and highly coveted gaming series. Outside of ME1, they seem to be doing the bare minimum for a re-release. ME2 and ME3 will probably only see light touch ups. Current Bioware is also more concerned with changing camera angles on a sexy character (they would probably put her in a parka if they could), than adding anything new or interesting. They aren't putting in any of the cut dialogue or giving us Legion earlier for example. It feels very lazy fir a series that deserves more. This is their chance to earn back some good faith that Bioware has lost. But it all feels like a cash grab at the moment. Its especially concerning that the game launches in less than two months and we haven't seen a lot of the game yet. It gives me Andromeda vibes. we've already seen a lot of the game. 120 hours with it actually. Unless you didn't plsy the trilogy but i doubt that given the rest of your post. |
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Post by vonuber on Mar 21, 2021 19:36:41 GMT
Current Bioware is also more concerned with changing camera angles on a sexy character (they would probably put her in a parka if they could) 
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 21, 2021 19:51:27 GMT
I’ll be waiting for Miranda in a parka mod.
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Post by ahglock on Mar 21, 2021 20:34:21 GMT
It's not a missed opportunity, because us oldtimers are not the target audience for this remaster. The legendary edition is there to pique interest in the new generation, before releasing fresh content for old and new ME fans with the next game. Although I also would've played a remake with joy, I can totally understand, that it doesn't make any sense from a company standpoint to try a third time to touch the endings 9 years later, instead of just presenting the games as they are the best as they can, generate new fans by doing that (because they are still good enough for that) and then focus on new content for ME next. Trying a remake is actually something where they can't win, if we have learned anything in the ending discussions over almost a decade. Do you think people have changed that much that the next generations reaction will be different to the ending. The quality of stories has gone down hill across media for the most part so maybe. But odds are they are just setting themselves up to piss off a new generation. To say people who liked the endings were in a minority would be a massive understatement. No matter how many times they load their save, they seem to want to keep stepping on the same land mine.
The hackett ending would take as much time as it took to readjust camera angles and it would be orders of magnitude more accepted than the EC endings.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 21, 2021 21:14:32 GMT
Here's my suggestion for the Day One Patch:
*snip*
Does that work on Origin? Uuuh, yes? Steam version of ME3 was rather recent, overwhelming majority of mods were made many years ago.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 21, 2021 21:22:37 GMT
Some people liked the ending. The ending isn't bad enough to me to warrant this level of...drama. Do i qualify as an old timer? Either way I'm getting it. To say the definive edition is only available on Nexus given that A. Most people ptobably play on console and B. Not everyone uses mods (i actually would never mod games myself because I'm against them, especially on this level) is nonsense. Eeeh, topic of the thread is not about the ending, but the garbage final mission Priority:Earth.
The most dull level design in the series, unimaginative, you don't get to use your allies and assets you compiled for entire game, hell trilogy, lack of music( soundtrack in ME2 Suicide Mission complimented the mission amazingly well) and I could just go on forever.
I could just ignore the endings, hell just download MEHEM for MELE or it's spiritual successor mod. But Priority:Earth remains trash, not without an overhaul. Mods can only go so far.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 21, 2021 22:13:16 GMT
Some people liked the ending. The ending isn't bad enough to me to warrant this level of...drama. Do i qualify as an old timer? Either way I'm getting it. To say the definive edition is only available on Nexus given that A. Most people ptobably play on console and B. Not everyone uses mods (i actually would never mod games myself because I'm against them, especially on this level) is nonsense. Eeeh, topic of the thread is not about the ending, but the garbage final mission Priority:Earth.
The most dull level design in the series, unimaginative, you don't get to use your allies and assets you compiled for entire game, hell trilogy, lack of music( soundtrack in ME2 Suicide Mission complimented the mission amazingly well) and I could just go on forever.
I could just ignore the endings, hell just download MEHEM for MELE or it's spiritual successor mod. But Priority:Earth remains trash, not without an overhaul. Mods can only go so far.
I actually rather enjoyed Priority Earth...I actually pretty much enjoyed everything about the ending until Anderson died. Was it the best level in ME 3? No probably not. But the last stand at the missile battery before the beam sequence is a special highlight for me and felt even more like a 'Sucide Mission' then the actual Suicide Mission. |
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Post by Radec on Mar 21, 2021 22:54:02 GMT
I don’t think this is a missed opportunity at all; I see this simply as a stopgap, but it’s also a way to make more money out of a trilogy that’s almost a decade old, and shake up the search algorithms so that Ye Olde Mass Effect becomes a part of the public conscious again. My YouTube feed started showing bunches of old videos as well as a bunch of people talking about it, along with speculation about the new game. Seems to me that it’s already done its job, Yeah, it's quick and easy cashflow for a floundering company coming off two commercial failures. That and promoting association of the Mass Effect brand in the public consciousness with the classic ones and not the le funny meme face one.
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Post by NotN7 on Mar 22, 2021 0:27:39 GMT
I don’t think this is a missed opportunity at all; I see this simply as a stopgap, but it’s also a way to make more money out of a trilogy that’s almost a decade old, and shake up the search algorithms so that Ye Olde Mass Effect becomes a part of the public conscious again. My YouTube feed started showing bunches of old videos as well as a bunch of people talking about it, along with speculation about the new game. Seems to me that it’s already done its job, I agree but the way I see it LE is a filler while we wait for a new game to give us something to do while we wait after all because of this and that other company's are putting games out there where Bioware isn't 
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