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Post by XCPTNL on Apr 15, 2021 21:14:06 GMT
No, absolutely not. They should in fact remove all traces that this abomination that is MEA was ever released and never speak of it ever again.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 15, 2021 21:44:41 GMT
No, absolutely not. They should in fact remove all traces that this abomination that is MEA was ever released and never speak of it ever again. Keep in mind that Hanako and others geniunely want a proper ME:A sequel. Bioware wants to make money. Also there are others members want a milk way game as well.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 16, 2021 0:07:28 GMT
No, absolutely not. They should in fact remove all traces that this abomination that is MEA was ever released and never speak of it ever again. Keep in mind that Hanako and others geniunely want a proper ME:A sequel. Bioware wants to make money. Also there are others members want a milk way game as well. Keep in mind, myself and possibly others, would like Cerberus to have sent a ship to Andromeda to build a relay to connect to the Milky Way. Overtime, Cerberus grows in Andromeda eventually becoming the most powerful group in the galaxy by pushing the humanity first agenda. Wouldn't it be nice if Bioware did this? EA likes Cerberus. Cerberus brings in the $. TIM said it best. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not easily destroyed. All Hail Cerberus.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 16, 2021 1:33:14 GMT
Keep in mind that Hanako and others geniunely want a proper ME:A sequel. Bioware wants to make money. Also there are others members want a milk way game as well. Keep in mind, myself and possibly others, would like Cerberus to have sent a ship to Andromeda to build a relay to connect to the Milky Way. Overtime, Cerberus grows in Andromeda eventually becoming the most powerful group in the galaxy by pushing the humanity first agenda. Wouldn't it be nice if Bioware did this? EA likes Cerberus. Cerberus brings in the $. TIM said it best. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not easily destroyed. All Hail Cerberus. True, Cerberus brings in the money and Pathfinder(Ryder Twins or other Andromeda Pathfinders) will bring with the money as well. I am sure that N7 Marine that is not Shepard might be popular as well. I am sure that we can always use a new enemy faction as well.
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Post by Radec on Apr 16, 2021 2:24:51 GMT
Keep in mind that Hanako and others geniunely want a proper ME:A sequel. Bioware wants to make money. Also there are others members want a milk way game as well. Keep in mind, myself and possibly others, would like Cerberus to have sent a ship to Andromeda to build a relay to connect to the Milky Way. Overtime, Cerberus grows in Andromeda eventually becoming the most powerful group in the galaxy by pushing the humanity first agenda. Wouldn't it be nice if Bioware did this? EA likes Cerberus. Cerberus brings in the $. TIM said it best. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not easily destroyed. All Hail Cerberus. Imagine an elite and loyal Cerberus hit squad shows up to Andromeda on a super cool Ark to bully lil' Ryder and the disney crew
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Post by Phantom on Apr 16, 2021 2:30:18 GMT
Keep in mind, myself and possibly others, would like Cerberus to have sent a ship to Andromeda to build a relay to connect to the Milky Way. Overtime, Cerberus grows in Andromeda eventually becoming the most powerful group in the galaxy by pushing the humanity first agenda. Wouldn't it be nice if Bioware did this? EA likes Cerberus. Cerberus brings in the $. TIM said it best. Cerberus is an idea. That idea is not easily destroyed. All Hail Cerberus. Imagine an elite and loyal Cerberus hit squad shows up to Andromeda on a super cool Ark to bully lil' Ryder and the disney crew that would be funny. I just had a thought right now. My Cerberus Phantom Commander meets Cora Harper and gives her the sad news of her father's death. And Phantom Commander confirms that he did work for him and tells her that Reapers were the cause of his death among others
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 2:52:33 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name.
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Post by Phantom on Apr 16, 2021 3:07:51 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name. We do know that. And We are even mentioning this due to it often annoys other people.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 16, 2021 5:04:27 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name. I mean I suspect if my Dad was the boss of a secret criminal organization, I'd just say he was an accountant or something. And they can always change their mind. Its not like its a common last name, so it seems weird to use it again.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2021 7:25:08 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name. They really should have just used a different name. Everyone knows fandoms are little more than a conspiracy theory-obsessed superorganism.
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 16, 2021 15:16:55 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name. This wouldn't be the first time we see parents lie to their children about what they do, especially as someone as secretive and elusive as TIM. It seems more likely Cora is a part of Cerberus- you think she'd just tell Ryder "oh, by the way... I belong to a secretive puritan paramilitary group denounced by the Alliance- hope that's chillll lol mkay good talk" But check it- not only do they have the same last name, but Cora has striking physical features similar to TIM. Plus, these type of "family is my enemy" or "second-in-command is a actually a traitor" reveals are always shocking and bring depth to stories and is why they happen all the time in games/movies. We all know Andromeda could use more shock and depth to its boring story. So I'd welcome this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 15:46:35 GMT
Ugh, I hate this “Cora is the daughter of TIM” nonsense just because both have the last name Harper. We already know from her that her father isn’t TIM since she tells us what her parents did. I think even BioWare stated they weren’t and it’s just the same last name. This wouldn't be the first time we see parents lie to their children about what they do, especially as someone as secretive and elusive as TIM. It seems more likely Cora is a part of Cerberus- you think she'd just tell Ryder "oh, by the way... I belong to a secretive puritan paramilitary group denounced by the Alliance- hope that's chillll lol mkay good talk" But check it- not only do they have the same last name, but Cora has striking physical features similar to TIM. Plus, these type of "family is my enemy" or "second-in-command is a actually a traitor" reveals are always shocking and bring depth to stories and is why they happen all the time in games/movies. We all know Andromeda could use more shock and depth to its boring story. So I'd welcome this. She lived with her parents on the freighter that was their home. He wouldn’t be able to lie about what he did. I don’t see any similarities, other than really basic ones that most people have. I think you’re just seeing what you want to see.
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 16, 2021 16:04:36 GMT
This wouldn't be the first time we see parents lie to their children about what they do, especially as someone as secretive and elusive as TIM. It seems more likely Cora is a part of Cerberus- you think she'd just tell Ryder "oh, by the way... I belong to a secretive puritan paramilitary group denounced by the Alliance- hope that's chillll lol mkay good talk" But check it- not only do they have the same last name, but Cora has striking physical features similar to TIM. Plus, these type of "family is my enemy" or "second-in-command is a actually a traitor" reveals are always shocking and bring depth to stories and is why they happen all the time in games/movies. We all know Andromeda could use more shock and depth to its boring story. So I'd welcome this. She lived with her parents on the freighter that was their home. He wouldn’t be able to lie about what he did. I don’t see any similarities, other than really basic ones that most people have. I think you’re just seeing what you want to see. Freighter turned Cerberus station? Like I said, Cora is more likely in on the secret. I think you're not seeing what you don't want to see. Uno reverse!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 16:20:02 GMT
She lived with her parents on the freighter that was their home. He wouldn’t be able to lie about what he did. I don’t see any similarities, other than really basic ones that most people have. I think you’re just seeing what you want to see. Freighter turned Cerberus station? No
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 16, 2021 16:43:30 GMT
Freighter turned Cerberus station? No Um, yes? Let's just say I'm glad you're not a writer for anything Mass Effect related. So dull.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 16:45:07 GMT
Um, yes? Let's just say I'm glad you're not a writer for anything Mass Effect related. So dull. I'm extremely glad you aren't a writer for them. Completely idiotic.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2021 16:48:17 GMT
Freighter turned Cerberus station? No You might have to consider, though, that it might be the direction Bioware takes her character. I wouldn't expect she'd be called Harper, just by coincidence. To put it another way, if Vetra's last name was Arterius, would anyone think it a coincidence? It is safe to assume the name was put there for a reason, not just by accident.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 17:15:10 GMT
You might have to consider, though, that it might be the direction Bioware takes her character. I wouldn't expect she'd be called Harper, just by coincidence. To put it another way, if Vetra's last name was Arterius, would anyone think it a coincidence? It is safe to assume the name was put there for a reason, not just by accident. Sure I consider it, then I consider everything to the contrary. Like Harper being a common name in Canada, Bioware not talking about her father before release because they were enjoying the speculation only to reveal in game he was just a poor freighter pilot, Bioware knowing how done people are with Cerberus, etc. Heck James Vega's real name is James Sanders, dropping it for Vega due to his relationship with his dad being strained and his uncle being more of a dad. Doesn't mean he is related to Kahlee Sanders. So this isn't the first time this has happened.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2021 17:47:52 GMT
Sure I consider it, then I consider everything to the contrary. Like Harper being a common name in Canada, Bioware not talking about her father before release because they were enjoying the speculation only to reveal in game he was just a poor freighter pilot, Bioware knowing how done people are with Cerberus, etc. It can be that she just lied about it. I mean, I doubt anyone would put "TIM's kid" in their resume. If Cerberus can fake the death of thousands of kids and procure a galactic faction's worth of space military force in 6 months, they can fake a resume convincingly. Heck James Vega's real name is James Sanders, dropping it for Vega due to his relationship with his dad being strained and his uncle being more of a dad. Doesn't mean he is related to Kahlee Sanders. So this isn't the first time this has happened. Considering Kahlee doesn't show up before ME3, where Vega also makes his first appearance, I ... I couldn't have known and it wouldn't even have had any impact. " This character you just met is related to this other character you just met. Huh. So, in other news in Idontgiveafucksville ..." It's a literary dud. Not to mention, Kahlee shares a whopping 15 seconds of screen time. She's a nobody. And I get that she was in the books, but everything that was carried over from the books was a dud with the gaming audience. Kai Leng being the biggest example of that. Which is why Bioware would be best keeping their books contained as their own detached universe, compared to the games. Not that ME3 wasn't dumb enough that, had Kai Leng not been a thing in the books, Bioware wouldn't have come up with the same space ninja idea, just a guy called ... Bai ...Ling, I guess. Yes, I know Bai Ling is a real person, it's the only name that was close that came to mind. I'd still pick Bai Ling over Kai Leng, though.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2021 18:21:19 GMT
Sure I consider it, then I consider everything to the contrary. Like Harper being a common name in Canada, Bioware not talking about her father before release because they were enjoying the speculation only to reveal in game he was just a poor freighter pilot, Bioware knowing how done people are with Cerberus, etc. It can be that she just lied about it. I mean, I doubt anyone would put "TIM's kid" in their resume. If Cerberus can fake the death of thousands of kids and procure a galactic faction's worth of space military force in 6 months, they can fake a resume convincingly. Heck James Vega's real name is James Sanders, dropping it for Vega due to his relationship with his dad being strained and his uncle being more of a dad. Doesn't mean he is related to Kahlee Sanders. So this isn't the first time this has happened. Considering Kahlee doesn't show up before ME3, where Vega also makes his first appearance, I ... I couldn't have known and it wouldn't even have had any impact. " This character you just met is related to this other character you just met. Huh. So, in other news in Idontgiveafucksville ..." It's a literary dud. Not to mention, Kahlee shares a whopping 15 seconds of screen time. She's a nobody. And I get that she was in the books, but everything that was carried over from the books was a dud with the gaming audience. Kai Leng being the biggest example of that. Which is why Bioware would be best keeping their books contained as their own detached universe, compared to the games. Not that ME3 wasn't dumb enough that, had Kai Leng not been a thing in the books, Bioware wouldn't have come up with the same space ninja idea, just a guy called ... Bai ...Ling, I guess. Yes, I know Bai Ling is a real person, it's the only name that was close that came to mind. I'd still pick Bai Ling over Kai Leng, though. Kahlee was a dud? This is an opinion I've never heard. She was cool enough, despite the limited screen time.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2021 18:49:55 GMT
Kahlee was a dud? This is an opinion I've never heard. She was cool enough, despite the limited screen time. I don't see people talking about Kahlee Sanders and how memorable she was in her 15 seconds of fame. Effectively, if you found out about Kahlee through ME3, you did not give two shits about her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2021 19:05:14 GMT
Kahlee was in the books with Anderson and was a super popular character. I remember a ton of people being excited to see her, and loving her once they did. That's why everyone thought James might be related to the point they had to change his name to Vega. She was not an unknown character before ME3.
Also why lie? She could just have said that her father was a businessman who was away a lot. Not a lie, and actually fits TIM. ut her backstory isn't a lie, because that began her path of being ostracized for her biotics (had to get trained so she wouldn't accidentally destroy her home and kill her family) and why she found such a home with the asari commandos. To ruin all that just for "haha I'm actually TIM"s kid" would be among the worst writing in the franchise.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2021 19:14:33 GMT
Kahlee was in the books with Anderson and was a super popular character. I remember a ton of people being excited to see her, and loving her once they did. That's why everyone thought James might be related to the point they had to change his name to Vega. She was not an unknown character before ME3. Also why lie? She could just have said that her father was a businessman who was away a lot. Not a lie, and actually fits TIM. ut her backstory isn't a lie, because that began her path of being ostracized for her biotics (had to get trained so she wouldn't accidentally destroy her home and kill her family) and why she found such a home with the asari commandos. To ruin all that just for "haha I'm actually TIM"s kid" would be among the worst writing in the franchise. naming him vega was the better choice honestly. I kind of disagree here. Though you are right the potential for it to go wrong is quite high but it could follow a similar path as Rey Palpatine...or honestly any natural inclanation for you or others to go 'omg I'm related to that!' I mean obviiusly she doesen't know herself so it could create some juicy character moments which could flesh her out and create an interesting conflict if an external force, ie some extreme cult, or an internal force tries making her live up to that legacy. Or it could just plain fall apart.
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Post by biggydx on Apr 16, 2021 21:35:07 GMT
Bioware need to do something good, as they are not the only studio doing strong narratively driven games with good character writing in the AAA space. I for one was more than surprised at how strong HZD was, for example, or even Control. Hell even AC Odessy had some decent writing and characterisation. Yeah, there’s a good few examples of games that have character writing that give BioWare a heck of an uphill battle to compete with. This is probably the thing I’m concerned about most. Why be concerned about other studios creating well told characters? BioWare isn't entitled to a monopoly on good companion characterization, and the RPG genre is bettered when this isn't the case.
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Post by sentinel87 on Apr 16, 2021 21:35:35 GMT
Making Cora the daughter of the Illusive Man would definitely feel like when Abrams made Rey a Palpatine. It was weird enough in Star Wars for me. I prefer to keep "small world syndrome" out of fiction I enjoy. For example I wasn't a fan of Zaeeds son showing up in Andromeda. Of all the millions of humans the galaxy Zaeed's never before mentioned son happens to take a ride to Andromeda and then comes across Ryder? Stuff like that is just weird to me.
I can hand wave it somewhat in Star Wars because it's a space opera that made Luke and Leia siblings in Return of the Jedi out of nowhere. ME overall feels more grounded than the fantasy/mythology that Star Wars pulls from and it just feels out of place.
Kaiser is right. Bioware really should have used a different name. The fandom is typically hyper aware of things like this and will spin them accordingly.
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