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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2021 21:47:38 GMT
Yeah, there’s a good few examples of games that have character writing that give BioWare a heck of an uphill battle to compete with. This is probably the thing I’m concerned about most. Why be concerned about other studios creating well told characters? BioWare isn't entitled to a monopoly on good companion characterization, and the RPG genre is bettered when this isn't the case. Because I have concerns that BioWare doesn’t have it in them anymore. With Anthem being the thing that came out of their “A team”, I’m more cautious than optimistic.
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Post by jrpN7 on Apr 16, 2021 22:17:34 GMT
Making Cora the daughter of the Illusive Man would definitely feel like when Abrams made Rey a Palpatine. It was weird enough in Star Wars for me. I prefer to keep "small world syndrome" out of fiction I enjoy. For example I wasn't a fan of Zaeeds son showing up in Andromeda. Of all the millions of humans the galaxy Zaeed's never before mentioned son happens to take a ride to Andromeda and then comes across Ryder? Stuff like that is just weird to me. I can hand wave it somewhat in Star Wars because it's a space opera that made Luke and Leia siblings in Return of the Jedi out of nowhere. ME overall feels more grounded than the fantasy/mythology that Star Wars pulls from and it just feels out of place. Kaiser is right. Bioware really should have used a different name. The fandom is typically hyper aware of things like this and will spin them accordingly. Yeah, I get what you mean. Small world syndrome is no fun. I just don't see a controlling, resourceful and power-hungry character like TIM ignoring the AI though. A man in his position was put there by his cunning manipulation of precisely every situation possible. Why would the AI escape his sights? I do think small world syndrome is real, but in this case I wonder if it would actually serve to thicken the plot.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 16, 2021 23:51:14 GMT
Kahlee was in the books with Anderson and was a super popular character. I remember a ton of people being excited to see her, and loving her once they did. That's why everyone thought James might be related to the point they had to change his name to Vega. She was not an unknown character before ME3. I had never come across and still do not come across any Kahlee Sanders related conversations. I don't think people care for Kahlee. Only in specific book related discussions does she turn up, in the effect that she is there. In the books. It doesn't help that the books were all bad. I get Emily Wong conversations more often than I get ... the ratio of Emily Wong conversations to Kahlee Sanders I get are, effectively, 1:0. Nobody cares for Kahlee. Show me ... 20 people that make regular Kahlee Sanders conversations. On the daily. She's a minor side character to the games and nobody cares about her. I bet, back in the day, 10 years ago, when the books were going to tie in to the games, there was some interest, but there's zero interest for Kahlee Sanders. Was there anyone asking for more Kahlee Sanders content? I'm sorry, but it baffles me that Kahlee is even a subject we are discussing right now. This has to be the most involved she's been in a ME conversation in 10 years and I dare anyone to prove me otherwise. Also why lie? She could just have said that her father was a businessman who was away a lot. Not a lie, and actually fits TIM. ut her backstory isn't a lie, because that began her path of being ostracized for her biotics (had to get trained so she wouldn't accidentally destroy her home and kill her family) and why she found such a home with the asari commandos. To ruin all that just for "haha I'm actually TIM"s kid" would be among the worst writing in the franchise. A fake background? Just to make it believable that she is in no way related to TIM? In the off chance that someone knows his true name? More likely than not. She would also have to prove herself, to gain rank, to be able to rise through the Initiative. If any part of her backstory is actually true, at all. None of what she's told us needs to actually be true. We just take Cora at face value. As for shitty writing, don't tempt Bioware.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 17, 2021 2:31:39 GMT
Grew up on a freighter is a convenient background to cover up who you are as its hard to background check. It is basically we were roving undocumented workers. She gets nudged along so not only is she trained as a biotic but by the asari commandos who are recognized as the best in that field. I don't care what kind of natural talent you have that kind of assignment happens from political pressure, the kind of pressure freighter rats wont be able to apply.
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Post by ahglock on Apr 17, 2021 4:44:45 GMT
I initially went with this Cora is the illusive mans daughter thing more as a joke or mild troll, but I've trolled myself into liking it. I like the idea quite a bit, sadly for me that means it wont happen.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2021 9:55:00 GMT
Making Cora the daughter of the Illusive Man would definitely feel like when Abrams made Rey a Palpatine. It was weird enough in Star Wars for me. I prefer to keep "small world syndrome" out of fiction I enjoy. For example I wasn't a fan of Zaeeds son showing up in Andromeda. Of all the millions of humans the galaxy Zaeed's never before mentioned son happens to take a ride to Andromeda and then comes across Ryder? Stuff like that is just weird to me. I can hand wave it somewhat in Star Wars because it's a space opera that made Luke and Leia siblings in Return of the Jedi out of nowhere. ME overall feels more grounded than the fantasy/mythology that Star Wars pulls from and it just feels out of place. Kaiser is right. Bioware really should have used a different name. The fandom is typically hyper aware of things like this and will spin them accordingly. Yeah, I get what you mean. Small world syndrome is no fun. I just don't see a controlling, resourceful and power-hungry character like TIM ignoring the AI though. A man in his position was put there by his cunning manipulation of precisely every situation possible. Why would the AI escape his sights? I do think small world syndrome is real, but in this case I wonder if it would actually serve to thicken the plot. If there’s one thing BioWare’s never been accused of, it’s being subtle. They drop hints like they drop anvils, so this is why I never take things like Indoctrination Theory or other random conspiratorial narrative bits seriously is because if it’s not in bright lights, they definitely don’t intend for it to be a thing.
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Post by SofaJockey on Apr 17, 2021 11:55:53 GMT
I'll have a good story first.
Which plot lines they follow or don't, I'm less troubled by.
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Post by alexg91 on Apr 26, 2021 23:18:28 GMT
I had to say yes for a few reasons; If Bioware 'abandoned' a storyline, their reputation would only get worse. Yeah imagine that There are a lot of unfinished side stories in Andromeda and they have (just a smidge of) redemption if they are fleshed out well. But this is hard to do if these stories never had any sufficient consequences in mind. An example would be, Sloane Kelly or Reyes. What was planned for that? We know that the first three games were written as an intended trilogy, and that mission (High Noon?) gives the idea that this story is planned for future games. Further material may lay ahead. Finally, at the very least, Bioware could introduce the same mechanic they had for Mass Effect 2 where you could choose what had happened in the first game without the need to play it (I think it was called Genesis?) I really hope this is included because if the story is told right and I never have to go back and play that game, I would be interested in seeing how the rest of the galaxy is explored. Remember, Andromeda was only set in a small cluster of the entire Andromeda galaxy which is twice as large as the Milky Way.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 27, 2021 14:21:54 GMT
Making Cora the daughter of the Illusive Man would definitely feel like when Abrams made Rey a Palpatine. It was weird enough in Star Wars for me. I prefer to keep "small world syndrome" out of fiction I enjoy. For example I wasn't a fan of Zaeeds son showing up in Andromeda. Of all the millions of humans the galaxy Zaeed's never before mentioned son happens to take a ride to Andromeda and then comes across Ryder? Stuff like that is just weird to me. I can hand wave it somewhat in Star Wars because it's a space opera that made Luke and Leia siblings in Return of the Jedi out of nowhere. ME overall feels more grounded than the fantasy/mythology that Star Wars pulls from and it just feels out of place. Kaiser is right. Bioware really should have used a different name. The fandom is typically hyper aware of things like this and will spin them accordingly. Yeah, I get what you mean. Small world syndrome is no fun. I just don't see a controlling, resourceful and power-hungry character like TIM ignoring the AI though. A man in his position was put there by his cunning manipulation of precisely every situation possible. Why would the AI escape his sights? I do think small world syndrome is real, but in this case I wonder if it would actually serve to thicken the plot.
Mass Effect has always had small world syndrome especially in comics and novels, I mean in the Mass Effect comic book series that revealed the origin of the Illusive Man tied his origin to Saren's origin and oh yeah the guy who hired TIM's merc outfit was Ashley's grandfather.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 27, 2021 14:41:51 GMT
I had to say yes for a few reasons; If Bioware 'abandoned' a storyline, their reputation would only get worse. Yeah imagine that There are a lot of unfinished side stories in Andromeda and they have (just a smidge of) redemption if they are fleshed out well. But this is hard to do if these stories never had any sufficient consequences in mind. An example would be, Sloane Kelly or Reyes. What was planned for that? We know that the first three games were written as an intended trilogy, and that mission (High Noon?) gives the idea that this story is planned for future games. Further material may lay ahead. Finally, at the very least, Bioware could introduce the same mechanic they had for Mass Effect 2 where you could choose what had happened in the first game without the need to play it (I think it was called Genesis?) I really hope this is included because if the story is told right and I never have to go back and play that game, I would be interested in seeing how the rest of the galaxy is explored. Remember, Andromeda was only set in a small cluster of the entire Andromeda galaxy which is twice as large as the Milky Way.
I think when/if BioWare does a continuation of MEA and/or MET I think they will use the Mass Effect Archives website to make the decisions "carry over" and will work pretty much just like how Dragon Age Keep works and honestly the Keep feels more like a fun mini-game. Now I would not be against an another interactive comic like the ME: Genesis (and it's sequel for ME3) but it must be so much BETTER than the first Genesis DLC which was horribly drawn, and IMHO poorly paced it takes about 15 minutes and feels like 15 hours instead and it's poorly written failing to get over the "tough and morally ambiguous" decisions with any of necessary proper context that the first game attempted to make about those decisions.
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