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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 31, 2021 19:43:53 GMT
I can't remember right now. But I do remember being turned off by her comments at the time. So much so that it made my choice on Virmire an easy choice. This? I just had this conversation with her and your reaction was the same one I had.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2021 19:51:11 GMT
Remember with Cerberus, this cycle would have been harvested. What did they do in the months leading to the Reaper invasion? Decided to join up and help the Reapers. Remember the asari? They had an artifact for however long without letting anyone know even after making a law regarding prothean stuff. Had they not cried wolf, the cycle would have been harvested. How many lives could have been saved had they revealed that artifact earlier? Bioware is piss poor when it comes to anything military related. Look at their ranking structure. A ship like the SR1 would have been searched for right away to find out who/what attacked, and to recover any personal effects of the fallen. It also had top-secret-hush-hush stuff that I'm sure they wouldn't want falling into the wrong hands. It's surprising the turians weren't involved since they help build it. It's too bad Shepard couldn't tell the family members the reason why is took over 2 years to get the dogtags is because the Alliance didn't care. Which is the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 20:01:51 GMT
Remember with Cerberus, this cycle would have been harvested. What did they do in the months leading to the Reaper invasion? Decided to join up and help the Reapers. Remember the asari? They had an artifact for however long without letting anyone know even after making a law regarding prothean stuff. Had they not cried wolf, the cycle would have been harvested. How many lives could have been saved had they revealed that artifact earlier? Bioware is piss poor when it comes to anything military related. Look at their ranking structure. A ship like the SR1 would have been searched for right away to find out who/what attacked, and to recover any personal effects of the fallen. It also had top-secret-hush-hush stuff that I'm sure they wouldn't want falling into the wrong hands. It's surprising the turians weren't involved since they help build it. It's too bad Shepard couldn't tell the family members the reason why is took over 2 years to get the dogtags is because the Alliance didn't care. Which is the truth. Headcanon is the truth here. Interesting, but nothing about what you typed is true lmao.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2021 20:03:17 GMT
Remember with Cerberus, this cycle would have been harvested. What did they do in the months leading to the Reaper invasion? Decided to join up and help the Reapers. Remember the asari? They had an artifact for however long without letting anyone know even after making a law regarding prothean stuff. Had they not cried wolf, the cycle would have been harvested. How many lives could have been saved had they revealed that artifact earlier? Bioware is piss poor when it comes to anything military related. Look at their ranking structure. A ship like the SR1 would have been searched for right away to find out who/what attacked, and to recover any personal effects of the fallen. It also had top-secret-hush-hush stuff that I'm sure they wouldn't want falling into the wrong hands. It's surprising the turians weren't involved since they help build it. It's too bad Shepard couldn't tell the family members the reason why is took over 2 years to get the dogtags is because the Alliance didn't care. Which is the truth. Except most of the asari were already helping, and eventually those Matriarchs who knew that did help. Meanwhile Cerberus and TIM never help. Also that's not what cried wolf means. The game also acts like all that you said was done, with the exception of that DLC which during acts like they didn't. Again, dissonance for gameplay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 20:14:11 GMT
Your short answer - You're so in love with Cerberus that you can't see the 'why's" for doing things like getting Miranda, Jacob and EDI off the ship... or for being able to tell TIM you're taking a copy of an Alliance warship back to the Alliance after he betrayed you multiple times or for even telling him you'd be coming after him for having done such things. How different would ME3 have been if, instead of forcing the issue of bringing back the Reapers, it could have been just about the Alliance bringing down Cerberus for "all the ways they've been subverting science throughout the galaxy." We wouldn't, for example, have a "crucible" or "catalyst" issue to have argued over for the last 9 years. Remember without Cerberus, this cycle would have been harvested. Yes I like Cerberus. I take them over the circus calling itself Alliance. What did it do for two years while Shepard was dead? Nothing. The worst part is that circus made no effort to confirm Shepard's death, and make any attempt to recover any personal belongings of the one's lost when the SR1 was destroyed most notably their dogtags so family members can have closure. The circus/Alliance never cared. Have that one guy keep saying I trust you, I believe you, but all he did was sit around taking the shape of his chair. After dealing with the collectors, what does the circus do, locks Shepard up for 6 months because of dumb crap instead of having him/her looking for clues to stopping the reapers especially since Shepard has the cipher. How different would ME3 have been? ... and the whole story would have been better if the death of Sovereign had been the end of the "Reaper threat" instead of having the whole thing continually resurrected in each game. The Collector abductions could have been the Collectors harvesting human colonies for their own scientific purposes and Arrival could have been a totally different DLC connected to that story just by leaving out a Reaper artifact... say, the Collectors could have been working with the Batarians... who were looking for a way to use a biological weapon against the humans... then ME3 could have logically adbanced Cerberus, as the worst perverter of science in the galaxy, as the principle enemy in that game... with Shepard naturally pursuing TIM because of all the times in ME2 that TIM tried to get Shepard killed by lying to him/her and/or withholding mission critical information.
The Reapers would never a well-formed or well-written enemy... just this "unknowable Cthulu" that ultimately caused the franchise to implode upon itself.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2021 20:18:32 GMT
Headcanon is the truth here. Interesting, but nothing about what you typed is true lmao. So revealing the artifact earlier would not have saved lives? Except most of the asari were already helping, and eventually those Matriarchs who knew that did help. Meanwhile Cerberus and TIM never help. So why did it take so long to reveal that artifact? Oh that's right. Because they never cared. It was only when the reapers were knocking on their backdoor that they revealed something that might help. With Cerberus. I don't believe I said they helped in ME3. I've said they became the keystone cops. But how many lives did Cerberus take vs how many lives could have been saved had the asari revealed that artifact earlier? It does? Talking to Anderson they didn't do anything especially when he said we thought you were dead. In other words there was no attempt to confirm the death, and no effort to finding the remains of the SR1. It wouldn't have been hard, would it? They had the location given by Joker. Go to that location and from there's it wouldn't have been hard to find. Apparently it wasn't hard to find for the ones who took Shepard's body. I get Bioware made a dlc, but it shows the Alliance, Bioware's military, never cared to making any effort to search for the remains of the SR1.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 31, 2021 20:24:49 GMT
and the whole story would have been better if the death of Sovereign had been the end of the "Reaper threat" instead of having the whole thing continually resurrected in each game. The Collector abductions could have been the Collectors harvesting human colonies for their own scientific purposes and Arrival could have been a totally different DLC connected to that story just by leaving out a Reaper artifact... say, the Collectors could have been working with the Batarians... who were looking for a way to use a biological weapon against the humans... then ME3 could have logically adbanced Cerberus, as the worst perverter of science in the galaxy, as the principle enemy in that game... with Shepard naturally pursuing TIM because of all the times in ME2 that TIM tried to get Shepard killed by lying to him/her and/or withholding mission critical information. The Reapers would never a well-formed or well-written enemy... just this "unknowable Cthulu" that ultimately caused the franchise to implode upon itself. Better yet. Cerberus isn't indoctrinated by the reapers. They help Shepard defeat the reapers. Shepard and Cerberus will be looked as the saviors of the galaxy. Later, the Alliance leadership is removed to work in the custodian arts field while the rest of the Alliance merges with Cerberus.
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Post by dragontartare on Jul 31, 2021 20:31:06 GMT
I can't remember right now. But I do remember being turned off by her comments at the time. So much so that it made my choice on Virmire an easy choice. This? I just had this conversation with her and your reaction was the same one I had. Daaaaamn, Ashley. I don't think I've ever gotten that line from her. What a whiny little asswipe.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 31, 2021 20:36:07 GMT
This? I just had this conversation with her and your reaction was the same one I had. Daaaaamn, Ashley. I don't think I've ever gotten that line from her. What a whiny little asswipe. Yeah, I'd forgotten about that conversation...spend nealy an hour going back and trying to decide how to handle it. My Shep isn't romancing anyone in ME1 and despite wanting to discuss her family my Shep just couldn't let what she said slide even if it cut the conversation short.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2021 20:41:46 GMT
If you want to avoid it, talk to Ashley first. Same with Kaidan’s version of that conversation (though can’t get rid of his creeper lines about Liara).
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jul 31, 2021 20:52:47 GMT
What lines?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2021 20:53:57 GMT
His lines about her being easy on the eyes and "just appreciating art". The only way for him to not say that last one is if you're pursuing him as a romance.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jul 31, 2021 20:58:07 GMT
That's not being a creep in the slightest.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 31, 2021 21:23:14 GMT
That's not being a creep in the slightest. Lusting after someone in secret, especially when they aren’t interested, is creepy.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Jul 31, 2021 21:35:03 GMT
You have an interesting idea of what constitutes lusting after.
"Appreciating art."
"Easy on the eyes."
Pretty light and inoffensive as compliments go even between colleagues about someone who's not currently present.
Besides that I'm not aware Kaidan approached Liara at any time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 21:51:41 GMT
His lines about her being easy on the eyes and "just appreciating art". The only way for him to not say that last one is if you're pursuing him as a romance. Kaidan doesn't say that last one to my male Shepard if Shepard responds with the "I do" option to his question about liking the "bookish type" He will respond with "just art appreciation" if male Shepard asks "Any interest there Lieutenant?" - which would be a question a commanding officer might ask and Kaidan's response merely confirming that he's not going to pursue Liara while she's on the ship. Just "locker room" banter about an attractive looking person... pretty common all in all... at least back in "my day."
As best as I can recall, if Femshep is pursuing Kaidan, the "art appreciation" line is replaced with a line about his preferring "more adventurous women."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:10:28 GMT
I lust after so many women. I guess I'll keep it to myself though.
Jennifer Hale was nearly nude in the Suicide Squad cartoon. I lusted after her character's animated body with her lusty voicework. Creeper!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:11:05 GMT
and the whole story would have been better if the death of Sovereign had been the end of the "Reaper threat" instead of having the whole thing continually resurrected in each game. The Collector abductions could have been the Collectors harvesting human colonies for their own scientific purposes and Arrival could have been a totally different DLC connected to that story just by leaving out a Reaper artifact... say, the Collectors could have been working with the Batarians... who were looking for a way to use a biological weapon against the humans... then ME3 could have logically adbanced Cerberus, as the worst perverter of science in the galaxy, as the principle enemy in that game... with Shepard naturally pursuing TIM because of all the times in ME2 that TIM tried to get Shepard killed by lying to him/her and/or withholding mission critical information. The Reapers would never a well-formed or well-written enemy... just this "unknowable Cthulu" that ultimately caused the franchise to implode upon itself. Better yet. Cerberus isn't indoctrinated by the reapers. They help Shepard defeat the reapers. Shepard and Cerberus will be looked as the saviors of the galaxy. Later, the Alliance leadership is removed to work in the custodian arts field while the rest of the Alliance merges with Cerberus. See... you are so in love with Cerberus that you'll let TIM screw Shepard over and repeatedly try to kill you and your team at least 3 times in ME2; and rather than get upset about it, you'll climb right into bed with them. As I said... no balls.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 31, 2021 22:14:21 GMT
I guess it's been a while since I talked to Jacob as femshep beyond the most basic conversations necessary to trigger his loyalty mission, just because the line deliveries are so cringy. I don't remember having an issue with Steve, but I'm playing with a male Shepard right now, so I'll see what happens when I get to ME3. With Steve, there's no way for a male Shepard to tell him outright if Shepard is only into women, so if you help him out enough that you get the invitation for drinks, he will always comment about there being an "energy" in the bar and about "graceful dancing." Shepard can then use the line that he likes watching the dancing on the stage.... at which point Steve will always interpret that as Shepard being straight and the conversation will become focused on being just a good friend.
The only other awkward line with Steve is in the conversation where you're telling him to take a break. You can avoid it by not using the blue paragon choice and selecting the "that's an order" line instead. I believe you can even select the option where you leave the choice up to him and you'll still be able to find him in Normandy's docks and progress with helping him. I think that some players are "afraid" to use these lines because they fear that they're "not nice"; but sometimes being "nice' means just avoiding sending out a wrong signal, too.
The romances in ME3 are easily managed since all of the invites that lock them in stay "open" until just after Thessia (and by then you will have collected them all). All you have to do then is talk to your chosen LI first and the rest will be locked out at that point.
Oh oh, I was nice to Steve I really felt for the guy. But my Shepard is straight and is in a romance with Liara. I really don't want to hurt his feelings but my Shepard is attracted to Liara. I think I'm not sure when I asked Steve to take Shore Leave I clicked on the blue option. Did that lock me in? When I first met Liara on Mars she told me it's been a year and if I wanted to continue. Since I was loyal to her throughout ME2 I said yes. So how do I let the guy down gently?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2021 22:15:41 GMT
I lust after so many women. I guess I'll keep it to myself though. Jennifer Hale was nearly nude in the Suicide Squad cartoon. I lusted after her character's animated body with her lusty voicework. Creeper! *Pulls out a very long wooden ruler* Someone's been a naughty boy.... 😆😉
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Post by Phantom on Jul 31, 2021 22:19:28 GMT
I lust after so many women. I guess I'll keep it to myself though. Jennifer Hale was nearly nude in the Suicide Squad cartoon. I lusted after her character's animated body with her lusty voicework. Creeper! *Pulls out a very long wooden ruler* Someone's been a naughty boy.... 😆😉 Hey becareful due to potential Slaanesh influence. For Slaanesh encourage naughtiness to the extreme
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2021 22:21:16 GMT
*Pulls out a very long wooden ruler* Someone's been a naughty boy.... 😆😉 Hey becareful due to potential Slaanesh influence. For Slaanesh encourage naughtiness to the extreme I think that accounts for 90% of the Mass Effect fanbase.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 31, 2021 22:24:47 GMT
<quietly lurking while the definition of creepy is changed>
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jul 31, 2021 22:27:55 GMT
<quietly lurking while the definition of creepy is changed> Just do your lurking over there please. I'm chilling over here.
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Post by talyn82 on Jul 31, 2021 22:28:05 GMT
I can't remember right now. But I do remember being turned off by her comments at the time. So much so that it made my choice on Virmire an easy choice. This? I just had this conversation with her and your reaction was the same one I had. No, the conversation is when Shepard is being confronted by both Ashley and Liara at the same time. Since I have a soft spot for Liara, Ashley came off as very aggressive and rude when speaking towards Liara. I' look up the video and post it here.
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