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Post by midnight tea on Nov 24, 2021 22:27:14 GMT
BioWare is a company with employees. People move on (they are not slaves or chattels) It's noteworthy when it's a senior person, but in DA4's case (2 years out) success or failure does not come down to this. True - and Bioware isn't an auteur studio. It does not depend on the vision of a single individual, as much as a certain group of individuals may shape the franchise's course. Also - while I don't know the inner workings of Bioware or EA, I find it unlikely they don't have any emergency procedures in case something happens to people in leadership position, because sudden departures or things like accidents or health issues can happen at any time (which is even more of a thing now, during Covid times).
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Post by Garo on Nov 24, 2021 22:33:42 GMT
BioWare is a company with employees. People move on (they are not slaves or chattels) It's noteworthy when it's a senior person, but in DA4's case (2 years out) success or failure does not come down to this.
I mean sure, maybe it doesn't come down to this but it doesn't help the game right? Creative Director sounds like someone who keeps the vision of the game cohesive. And we don't actually know at which point in development this game is.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 24, 2021 22:54:19 GMT
I don't know how these messages work in Canada, but in Germany everyone would know this one for what it is: a departure that was definitely neither friendly nor cordial. The kind where you get back to your desktop from lunch break and find out that your password no longer works, in extreme cases, or where you've been on notice before and management finally had enough.
Will it have a big effect on DA4? Probably not. This game was rebooted twice (as far as we know...) so it will probably be the usual rush job in the end anyway, with or without whoever else may leave until then.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 24, 2021 23:07:03 GMT
Hi guys - a couple of posts have been removed and another edited.
Sofajockey called time on the pronoun discussion, but given it was the last post on the previous page, you might not have seen it. Please let that conversation end, and continue with the discussion of Matt Goldman leaving Bioware.
Thanks.
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Post by ThatDamnableRogue on Nov 24, 2021 23:07:15 GMT
blackwall voice that’s not what I wanted to see.
I admit, I haven’t been following the development of DA4 all that closely, but it has seemed rather... chaotic. The end result we get should be interesting, at least. On the surface, this news sounds bad, but given that the game’s already been in development for a few years... idk. I shall remain cautiously optimistic!
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Post by andydandymandy on Nov 25, 2021 0:40:58 GMT
This really doesn't feel like a Mike Laidlaw or a Mark Darrah type of departure, where project leads who were reasonably well liked and respected by the rest of the team leave because they want to do other things and don't want to deal with the development headaches anymore (other games affecting their game, publisher mandates, endless delays and rescopes and reboots, etc).
This feels like something much more uglier and unpleasant went down.
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Post by apollexander on Nov 25, 2021 3:11:31 GMT
Does losing senior devs before the Dragon 4ge Day become a tradition?
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 25, 2021 3:34:08 GMT
FYI, Matt’s LinkedIn account has had a bunch of glowing recommendations added by former and present BioWare devs, including John Epler, over the past 24 hours.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 25, 2021 3:53:11 GMT
Just read a few - he was clearly liked by some, at least.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 25, 2021 5:41:46 GMT
Just read a few - he was clearly liked by some, at least. Those comments weren’t only glowing but personal. There’s a handful of them. It makes me feel sadder about the situation.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 25, 2021 5:49:01 GMT
Lol
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Post by githcheater on Nov 25, 2021 5:57:27 GMT
Just read a few - he was clearly liked by some, at least. Those comments weren’t only glowing but personal. There’s a handful of them. It makes me feel sadder about the situation. Were any glowing comments from subordinates? In my experience, management can be oblivious to their peer's mistreatment of subordinates.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 25, 2021 6:03:08 GMT
Quite a few recommendations are listed as being from people who reported directly to Matt and they talked about how he stood up for his art teams.
I’d provide the link but the forum doesn’t seem to want to post it. Still, I found the page via a Google search, so it’s not difficult to locate.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 25, 2021 6:24:56 GMT
Those comments weren’t only glowing but personal. There’s a handful of them. It makes me feel sadder about the situation. Were any glowing comments from subordinates? In my experience, management can be oblivious to their peer's mistreatment of subordinates. Nick Thornborrow (he designed the Trespasser Murals and TDWR mural) spoke about working directly under Matt, his was the most heartwarming.
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Post by Fredward on Nov 25, 2021 7:25:55 GMT
Well, if he wasn't a shitty boss I find the lack of Twittering about it even more disturbing. They had no problems with that with Laidlaw, Darrah etc. Very curious, I definitely can't really wring anything positive out of it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2021 8:04:13 GMT
I mean sure, maybe it doesn't come down to this but it doesn't help the game right? Creative Director sounds like someone who keeps the vision of the game cohesive. And we don't actually know at which point in development this game is. Well I found this description of what a Creative Director does on a video game: A video game creative director is someone who makes sure a video game project looks fantastic in all aspects, and is often the creator of the game concept. He or she is responsible for the overall vision of the product, which includes game play, visual style, story, audio assets, cinematics, and marketing materials.
Now it may well be that some of these aspects are dealt with differently at Bioware but nevertheless, it does seem he was in a role that was central to the success of the project and unless the game was pretty close to release, it does seem odd and slightly worrying that they got rid of him when, so far as we know, the release is still some way off but they are deep into main production. That said, if he was Senior Creative Director, presumably it means there were other creative directors under him, know what the vision was and hopefully would be able to step in to fill the breach.
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Post by Zemgus on Nov 25, 2021 8:24:21 GMT
Matt didn't make a public announcement about his departure so maybe that's why there also is no public farewells from his co-workers. With so many big names gone from the Dragon Age team over the past few years I'm starting to think that even if DA4 ends up being a great game it will be the last Dragon Age game. Patrick Weekes was mentioned earlier in this thread and I think he's the next one gone (right before or after DA4 ships). I hope I'm wrong but that's simply the feeling I have gotten from some of his tweets.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2021 9:00:20 GMT
Patrick Weekes was mentioned earlier in this thread and I think he's the next one gone (right before or after DA4 ships). I hope I'm wrong but that's simply the feeling I have gotten from some of his tweets. It may be that he is feeling the pressure, particularly with so many other senior figures leaving. However, maybe he is simply hoping to move back to the Mass Effect project. That is where he came from originally. Unlike some of the others who left, he only became part of the Dragon Age team for DAI, then got promoted to Lead Writer when DG left.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 25, 2021 10:31:32 GMT
Hmm, I've been over on You Tube reading Jackdaw's take on events and he mentions how only last week Matt was saying how much he loved Dragon Age, which is why his departure came as such a shock. It left me wondering, when he made his tweet last week did MG know something was in the air or that he was going to have a confrontation that would likely decide his future with Bioware and as he might well be silenced after the event, he thought he would get in his feelings about Dragon Age before that happened?
"Things I love about Dragon Age:
It's a big, beautiful world of heroic adventure.
Compassion is important. Bravery and fellowship can triumph no matter the odds. However, if faced with unrepentant evil, you can always lock it in a room with Storm of the Century.
Works a treat"
Was he anticipating something when he used these words?
Also, I notice in the words quoted from EA representative, he speaks of the people working on the game "who will carry forward our vision for the game." Again, the use of "our" may just be coincidental and nothing significant but surely the Dragon Age team are carrying forward "their" vision for the game. Jackdaw also picked up on this phrase and it made him uneasy.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 25, 2021 13:17:46 GMT
Not sure how often key personnel have to leave until you realise BW is in the shitters. Yes people leave, but when the creative staff leaves, shit comes out the production line.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 25, 2021 14:48:07 GMT
I'm betting "creative differences" after reading everything here, I reckon EA wants something grittier, probably more in the vein of The Witcher (that means a significantly different art style than the last two entries minimum) and the idea got pushback from Matt Goldman.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2021 14:54:58 GMT
Not sure how often key personnel have to leave until you realise BW is in the shitters. Yes people leave, but when the creative staff leaves, shit comes out the production line. Huh, I didn't know Matt Goldman or Darrah were the only creative people left on the DA team... It's not like they have 200 or more people there, including people in creative leadership position and it's not like the whole world is going through an extremely stressful pandemic that makes many people across many industries shift their life plans. Anyway, there is way too much speculation about this I know there's not much else to talk about, but I feel people are grasping at straws, trying to find an answer that may not be as straightforward or dramatic as some assume it to be.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 25, 2021 15:08:05 GMT
Allow people their theories, this' as close as it gets to news here, for Dragon Age anyway.
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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2021 15:18:13 GMT
Allow people their theories, this' as close as it gets to news here, for Dragon Age anyway. These aren't theories about intricacies of DA lore or quirks of characters, but real situations and real people. There is a difference between the two.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 25, 2021 15:35:06 GMT
Without which I'd have never known that he actually got fond messages of farewell so it's not like it's all simply harmful.
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