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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 27, 2021 13:09:27 GMT
A friend is literally in this position. Honestly? This scenario makes the most sense to me over everything else. You don't just suddenly fire a guy who has worked at the company for over 23 years and who is the face of your current project. At least that's something I don't want to believe. Gosh, this is still so unbelievably strange to me. If that is the reason that he got fired then bioware and EA are not to blame. It is the law and if they didn't follow it they get in alot of trouble and alot of people would boycott their games if they found out so IF that is the reason he got fired then it's his own fault and he wasted seven years of his life.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 27, 2021 14:14:17 GMT
It is the law and if they didn't follow it they get in alot of trouble and alot of people would boycott their games if they found out so IF that is the reason he got fired then it's his own fault and he wasted seven years of his life. Wow, I didn't realise that Canada had made it mandatory for all employees to be vaccinated. Here in the UK they are trying to enforce it for certain professions, like healthcare workers but not the entire workforce. I'm fully vaccinated but I think it is harsh sacking people if they aren't, particularly if they are in a profession that can work from home. EDIT: In Canada it is mandatory for federal employees or those sectors regulated by the state, like travel, neither of which applies to EA or Bioware. If they have made it mandatory for all their employees to be vaccinated that was their choice.
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Post by goishen on Nov 27, 2021 17:14:58 GMT
I read over that yesterday, and it just read like corporate gobbilty gook. It looks as though it was done by committee. 'Cause, ya know, corporations can't do anything on their own. Especially these snowflakes.
I'll be the first to say eat the rich. But I won't say eat the creatives. That's what you've got going on here. They're eating the creatives over at BioWare.
Get ready for a bland, comprising, conformist, project.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 27, 2021 17:33:28 GMT
It is the law and if they didn't follow it they get in alot of trouble and alot of people would boycott their games if they found out so IF that is the reason he got fired then it's his own fault and he wasted seven years of his life. Wow, I didn't realise that Canada had made it mandatory for all employees to be vaccinated. Here in the UK they are trying to enforce it for certain professions, like healthcare workers but not the entire workforce. I'm fully vaccinated but I think it is harsh sacking people if they aren't, particularly if they are in a profession that can work from home. EDIT: In Canada it is mandatory for federal employees or those sectors regulated by the state, like travel, neither of which applies to EA or Bioware. If they have made it mandatory for all their employees to be vaccinated that was their choice. I thought canada did have a mandate for some reason.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 27, 2021 19:04:37 GMT
Honestly? This scenario makes the most sense to me over everything else. You don't just suddenly fire a guy who has worked at the company for over 23 years and who is the face of your current project. At least that's something I don't want to believe. Gosh, this is still so unbelievably strange to me. If that is the reason that he got fired then bioware and EA are not to blame. It is the law and if they didn't follow it they get in alot of trouble and alot of people would boycott their games if they found out so IF that is the reason he got fired then it's his own fault and he wasted seven years of his life. What is the right thing to do today in law may not be the right thing tomorrow. The people you praise today are the ones you shame tomorrow.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 27, 2021 21:47:38 GMT
Young Yea gives a new take on this event:
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Post by mmoblitz on Nov 27, 2021 21:54:43 GMT
Does losing senior devs before the Dragon 4ge Day become a tradition? Losing senior devs before the last couple launches seems to be a tradition. I remember many people saying the game(s) will be fine nothing to worry about...
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Post by githcheater on Nov 27, 2021 22:38:26 GMT
Does losing senior devs before the Dragon 4ge Day become a tradition? Losing senior devs before the last couple launches seems to be a tradition. I remember many people saying the game(s) will be fine nothing to worry about... It seems very ** SAD ** that this "tradition" takes place during the throes of the darkest days of winter when there is only eight hours of daylight.
With Bioware seemingly in disarray with morale very low, can a rash of "stress quits" be inevitable?
** Seasonal Affective Disorder
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Post by goishen on Nov 27, 2021 22:56:19 GMT
Errr, that's not it.
At my current job, my last manager was horrid. He was just like, "You do this, you're gonna be fired. You do that, you're gonna be fired." So, fear was his big motivator. Fear me so much, and that'll keep you in line. Might be the nicest guy outside of work, but man.. During those work hours, he was a tyrant.
When it finally came down to us that he was "quitting" (I still think he was told to pack his shit and leave, we'll just tell everyone that you're quitting...), it was actually him that delivered the news to us on Thursday that Friday (of the same week) would be his last day.
If you think that someone as high up as Matt Goldman had to have a committee write that letter for him, you're fucking insane.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 27, 2021 23:55:42 GMT
Well, if I still cared at all about DA, I would be concerned about this. Thankfully. DA ruined itself with it's stupid Narrative decisions long ago.
As for Matt in particular. Remember Mike Laidlaw said after Witcher 3 came out, that DA3 would have more heavily borrowed from Witcher had it came out before DAI did. So I would bet money people above Matt wants a more ridiculously depressing dark tone like the Witcher, where everyone in the world is the shittiest person of all time on some level, and Matt wanted to keep the somewhat hopeful tone that DAI inspired.
Just my two cents.
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Post by andydandymandy on Nov 28, 2021 2:47:16 GMT
You would have to think that the "tone" of the game has long been decided at this point. If it hasn't, that alone is concerning, as they are way far behind on the development of this game than we would hope it would be after seven years of production.
Btw, I don't think Laidlaw was talking about "tone" in regards to the Witcher 3 comparison, I think he was mostly talking about the structure, how the story and gameplay and open world aspects were structured compared to Inquisition, etc. I don't think he was advocating for a darker tone necessarily (although I don't mind a dark tone if the story warrants it).
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 28, 2021 3:06:51 GMT
You would have to think that the "tone" of the game has long been decided at this point. If it hasn't, that alone is concerning, as they are way far behind on the development of this game than we would hope it would be after seven years of production. Well, it was rebooted various times during production already.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 28, 2021 5:06:07 GMT
You would have to think that the "tone" of the game has long been decided at this point. If it hasn't, that alone is concerning, as they are way far behind on the development of this game than we would hope it would be after seven years of production. Btw, I don't think Laidlaw was talking about "tone" in regards to the Witcher 3 comparison, I think he was mostly talking about the structure, how the story and gameplay and open world aspects were structured compared to Inquisition, etc. I don't think he was advocating for a darker tone necessarily (although I don't mind a dark tone if the story warrants it). True, he could have been talking about making the game mechanically more like witcher 3, which every company has seemingly done ad nauseum since the game's release. But I don't it would have stopped at that, personally. It's bad enough all the base building features and such got cut due to last gen support, but DAI honestly had no business being open world at all.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 28, 2021 8:53:20 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion.
There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going".
I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later...
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Post by lk13 on Nov 28, 2021 9:18:24 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion. There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going". I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later... Frankly, I doubt they care too much about PR. The vast majority of people doesn't know and\or care how "the meat is made" so to speak, and "EA bad" has been around so long (deservedly or not) that it became a meme in itself. Even Jason Schreier's articles are probably no more than a nuisance to the higher ups, but from our point of view, we need that kind of nuisance to know what happens inside the industry.
I'm more sad about Goldman himself - he worked there for a long time and he contributed a lot to Dragon Age and BW in general, down to even interacting with fans on Twitter and such. He certainly deserved at least a "goodbye letter" as they did with other former developers. His coworkers have left glowing recommendations on his Linkedin as I've read here, so that's something, at least.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 28, 2021 13:07:02 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion. There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going". I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later... Frankly, I doubt they care too much about PR. The vast majority of people doesn't know and\or care how "the meat is made" so to speak, and "EA bad" has been around so long (deservedly or not) that it became a meme in itself. Even Jason Schreier's articles are probably no more than a nuisance to the higher ups, but from our point of view, we need that kind of nuisance to know what happens inside the industry.
I'm more sad about Goldman himself - he worked there for a long time and he contributed a lot to Dragon Age and BW in general, down to even interacting with fans on Twitter and such. He certainly deserved at least a "goodbye letter" as they did with other former developers. His coworkers have left glowing recommendations on his Linkedin as I've read here, so that's something, at least.
Yeah unfortunetly that is the truth. Most people don't care how something is made but only if it is good. Although to be fair unless they make dragon age an MMO I will be preordering it..well if I have a next gen system by then. That and mass effect are my favorite series and I can't wait for it. While I have no knowledge of EA's working conditions I imagine it isn't any worse then most gaming companies or companies in general for that matter. Besides everyone has so much bad press that it eventually gets to be overwhelming and people are just like "meh" at this point.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 28, 2021 14:14:35 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion. There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going". I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later... While I am angry at how Bioware abandoned the patches for the MELE leaving PC gamers to get help from modders, unpaid employees, I liked it. But weand just pray that enough people forgot about that to get their money with DA4 and ME:N even though I am looking forwards it. They don't seem to care much since DA:O for post launch technical support.
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Post by Solas on Nov 28, 2021 16:21:14 GMT
I guess it's the weekend, most folk probably aren't working at the weekend.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Nov 28, 2021 18:52:07 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion. There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going". I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later... While I am angry at how Bioware abandoned the patches for the MELE leaving PC gamers to get help from modders, unpaid employees, and just pray that enough people forgot about that to get their money with DA4 and ME:N even though I am looking forwards it. They don't seem to care much since DA:O for post launch technical support. Lol! If your crying about that, never play anything by Bethesda! Anyway, if I remember right, bioware did not have much to do with the legendary edition outside of promotion? Fairly sure it was outsourced.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 28, 2021 19:00:01 GMT
If your crying about that, I am not, I will just never buy another Bethesda or Bioware games. Anyway, if I remember right, bioware did not have much to do with the legendary edition outside of promotion? Fairly sure it was outsourced. It could have been and I still would not care as it is Bioware job to make sure the game runs properly. Developing is one thing, post launch support definitely. Edit: while two other companies were hired to work on the LE it is Bioware name that appears on the game box.
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Post by Gileadan on Nov 28, 2021 22:38:03 GMT
From his tweets I got the impression that Matt Goldman liked DA for what it was, not for what it should become in his opinion. There's still no official reaction? By this time I get the feeling that BioWare/EA are completely paralyzed, unable to come up with even a feeble attempt at damage control. Or maybe they don't care anymore and just want to shove the product out of they way so they can go back to Mass Effect or some such. I mean, that internal email didn't exactly read like employee motivating greatness either, just "yeah he's gone don't worry things will keep going". I imagine they're just sitting there, frozen like the proverbial rabbit staring wide-eyed at the cobra (i.e. Jason Schreier). Better wait for his article and take the blow than make a statement that'll make them look even worse later... While I am angry at how Bioware abandoned the patches for the MELE leaving PC gamers to get help from modders, unpaid employees, and just pray that enough people forgot about that to get their money with DA4 and ME:N even though I am looking forwards it. They don't seem to care much since DA:O for post launch technical support. Their post launch support was almost always pretty mediocre to outright poor. They mostly only fix real showstopper bugs, and it takes them a lot of time for very little. It got really bad once they started to use Frostbite, when most of their patches (probably fumbled together by a skeleton crew) often broke as much they fixed. Anthem was their low point, where you could tell from the nature of the bugs that they either barely understood the code they were messing with or the spaghetti level of said code was truly a thing of legend. I'm curious about their next games and hope that they will manage some kind of turn around and produce something fun and playable. I'm happy with a shorter story as long as I get interesting characters that I can care about and not another bore fest like DAI or MEA. To be fair, DAI had some good characters in it, but its dozen or so hours of story were spread over way, WAY too much mind numbing busy work. But maybe they can capture their old magic again. I sure hope so.
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Post by lordmoral on Nov 28, 2021 23:57:12 GMT
While I am angry at how Bioware abandoned the patches for the MELE leaving PC gamers to get help from modders, unpaid employees, and just pray that enough people forgot about that to get their money with DA4 and ME:N even though I am looking forwards it. They don't seem to care much since DA:O for post launch technical support. Their post launch support was almost always pretty mediocre to outright poor. They mostly only fix real showstopper bugs, and it takes them a lot of time for very little. It got really bad once they started to use Frostbite, when most of their patches (probably fumbled together by a skeleton crew) often broke as much they fixed. Anthem was their low point, where you could tell from the nature of the bugs that they either barely understood the code they were messing with or the spaghetti level of said code was truly a thing of legend. I'm curious about their next games and hope that they will manage some kind of turn around and produce something fun and playable. I'm happy with a shorter story as long as I get interesting characters that I can care about and not another bore fest like DAI or MEA. To be fair, DAI had some good characters in it, but its dozen or so hours of story were spread over way, WAY too much mind numbing busy work. But maybe they can capture their old magic again. I sure hope so. If the gaming community as a whole (people like Young Yea and gaming sites) didn't bother calling out their BS when the Legendary Edition came out or have barely mentioned Pinnacle Station DLC, what makes you think they will be with a mentality of: "there is nothing wrong so let us keep doing what we always do," will be their collapse. At one point people will stop excusing Bioware and the few reasons people have been mostly positive is that either they are new and this is a 9/10 release or some of the returning fans praise it as something better than before. It is not a horrible release, but as a returning player I gave it a 9/10 initially and with the abandonment a 5/10. As much as I love these games you can only excuse things like this for so long.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 29, 2021 1:44:37 GMT
Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine? A friend is literally in this position. Sadly, my cousin is in this position. He's a particle physicist. He worked for CERN, on the Large Hadron Collider, for several years. Now lately he's fallen down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and is now apparently on the verge of quitting his job because he refuses to get a covid vaccine (because they contain mind-control chips, or adrenaline extract from human trafficked/cannibalized children, or whatever crazy nonsense he believes at the moment)... while having a child with EXTREME medical needs, I should add. Just goes to show you this sort of lunacy isn't necessarily related to intelligence, because he's as smart as they come (hard to become a particle physicist if you're a dummy). Very sad situation. And in any case a plausible possible explanation for Goldman's departure (though obviously still completely speculative).
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 29, 2021 16:37:29 GMT
Maybe if Mac Walters was gone from ME3 we would not have had the ending to me3 we did.
You never really know how these things come about in and organization.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 29, 2021 17:26:18 GMT
"....Whether it was that he was building wonders that EA didn't want commercially and he went 'back me or sack me' OR There were behind the scenes aspects to his working style that became problematic......"
EA is income focused run by Wall Street cocaine nose jobs. As such, I believe Wilson wants Bio to jump into the "new industry stadard" which is NFT and blockchaining. If Ubisoft can do it then so can EA..... in my opinion, of course.
Goldman may have viewed this differently, resisted and got canned for his trouble (which I heavily suspect).
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