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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 2, 2021 17:13:17 GMT
I mean how would ME2 combat suffer? From ME1 there was only one direction the combat could evolve: for the better.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 2, 2021 17:25:38 GMT
And the whole fuckshow of employees dancing striptease on social media wasn't a good idea either. I know it's desirable to stand in the limelight and be a center of attraction. Be a star. We all want that from time to time. Until the rotten tomatoes fly and the off-shelf cabbage. It's all fun and games until loses and eye and then itno fun anymore but serious. And instead of making games the world rotates around a couple stupid tweets instead of working on a product.
BW needed professionals for community management and they quite failed at handling that. For a triple A studio they really failed at finding proper CMs. Digital Extremes overtook them like twice on the track managing the fanbase and public reception.
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Post by Sartoz on Dec 2, 2021 20:26:40 GMT
Everyone seems to forget that EA mgt can and does interfere with a game in development.
Consider DA4. EA dictated it to be a live service game (which ,btw, I said so ). Then we get the news EA asked Bio to pull out the multiplayer and go strictly with a single player game. This flip flop by EA affected the game blueprint. Loot, for example, had to be re-thought, so did the in-game purchases, equipment upgrade mechanics...etc. Bio mgt just got handed a hot potato.
OK, Bio game develpment mgt sat down with the story writers ('cause now the single game story is longer, the word budget shot up, there are more voice actors to consider, the voice scripts are longer, NPC main chars changed somewhat, the plot is different, combat is different, levels and terrain changed... there is a long list, including the cost of developing the game.
I can't see much blame to be assigned to Bio mgt. unless they can't make prompt decisions. The core idea for the game's new direction should take about 3 months. Voice overs takes place during the last 6 mo or so before launch and sometimes until the very end.
Perhaps EA (read Wilson) wants a piece of the new lucrative money making "industry standard" mechanic which is NFTs and blockchaining. Perhaps Matt had principles. When push came to shove, the one with the heavier weight wins.
Imo, there is more to this story than just poor Bio mgt . Could be the simple case of EA/Bio wanting to go one way and those that left another.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 2, 2021 21:34:21 GMT
Everyone seems to forget that EA mgt can and does interfere with a game in development.
Consider DA4. EA dictated it to be a live service game (which ,btw, I said so ). Then we get the news EA asked Bio to pull out the multiplayer and go strictly with a single player game. This flip flop by EA affected the game blueprint. Loot, for example, had to be re-thought, so did the in-game purchases, equipment upgrade mechanics...etc. Bio mgt just got handed a hot potato.
OK, Bio game develpment mgt sat down with the story writers ('cause now the single game story is longer, the word budget shot up, there are more voice actors to consider, the voice scripts are longer, NPC main chars changed somewhat, the plot is different, combat is different, levels and terrain changed... there is a long list, including the cost of developing the game.
I can't see much blame to be assigned to Bio mgt. unless they can't make prompt decisions. The core idea for the game's new direction should take about 3 months. Voice overs takes place during the last 6 mo or so before launch and sometimes until the very end.
Perhaps EA (read Wilson) wants a piece of the new lucrative money making "industry standard" mechanic which is NFTs and blockchaining. Perhaps Matt had principles. When push came to shove, the one with the heavier weight wins.
Imo, there is more to this story than just poor Bio mgt . Could be the simple case of EA/Bio wanting to go one way and those that left another.
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Block chaining is crypto currency right?
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 3, 2021 20:57:12 GMT
This doesn't mean its not another Christina Norman situation either. She replaced someone that he forums claimed was irreplaceable and the combat of Mass Effect 2 would suffer. After Mass Effect 2 she left for Riot and then the complaints were the next person couldn't replicate what she did. I don't know Norman. Some drama I didn't follow. What I know is that BW loses consistently key personel and keeps delivering average to sub-average new releases. In a good team noone is irreplaceable and working together isn't solo stars running shows. But you need good and strong creative leads and a captain who knows where to sail the ship and avoid the reefs. All I see is people jumping the ship. Even the captain. And the one before got gutted by thEA Pirates. And the talented peeps think they're better off at a startup. Like Livingstone.
Why do you think she might prefer that? Surely an acclaimed triple A studio should be able to give ample opportunities for career and acclaim?
Again, I am not saying there isn't an issue. What I am saying is we don't know where the issue really lies or even who decided that it was time to part ways. Pure speculation, but EA might have been seeing something in the direction of the game that gave them concerns that they were heading down the same path again. So it might not just be working at EA is the problem in this situation, but something completely different. Its all speculation and people reading into the situation without any information aside from the short statement and that people left. People can leave for any reason. Maybe they felt like they hit a ceiling at where they are working and couldn't see moving up inside the company for years because of seniority and people that are currently in those positions. Maybe there was a personality conflict, nothing horrible that would cause someone to be fired, but made the job less enjoyable. Maybe they are looking for the challenge of something different such as moving to a new company that is just establishing itself and building something from nothing. Career and acclaim aren't for everyone. Heck I bet BioWare has lost employees over the years because of being in Alberta and everything that brings. Not to mention wanting to leave to find new challenges for that is more interesting to the person then the acclaim. In the case of game development it could be they are tired of the trappings of game development and are moving on to something different. I know I wouldn't last in game development with the "fans" of games and how they treat people.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 3, 2021 21:03:14 GMT
Everyone seems to forget that EA mgt can and does interfere with a game in development.
Consider DA4. EA dictated it to be a live service game (which ,btw, I said so ). Then we get the news EA asked Bio to pull out the multiplayer and go strictly with a single player game. This flip flop by EA affected the game blueprint. Loot, for example, had to be re-thought, so did the in-game purchases, equipment upgrade mechanics...etc. Bio mgt just got handed a hot potato.
OK, Bio game develpment mgt sat down with the story writers ('cause now the single game story is longer, the word budget shot up, there are more voice actors to consider, the voice scripts are longer, NPC main chars changed somewhat, the plot is different, combat is different, levels and terrain changed... there is a long list, including the cost of developing the game.
I can't see much blame to be assigned to Bio mgt. unless they can't make prompt decisions. The core idea for the game's new direction should take about 3 months. Voice overs takes place during the last 6 mo or so before launch and sometimes until the very end.
Perhaps EA (read Wilson) wants a piece of the new lucrative money making "industry standard" mechanic which is NFTs and blockchaining. Perhaps Matt had principles. When push came to shove, the one with the heavier weight wins.
Imo, there is more to this story than just poor Bio mgt . Could be the simple case of EA/Bio wanting to go one way and those that left another.
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Block chaining is crypto currency right? No, Crypto Currency uses Block Chains. Blockchains is mostly used for security, so an application in gaming would deal more with security like DRM. It secures the data of ownership, so with gaming it could be used to prevent pirate games because the copies you pirate would be in a database not registered to you. It could also be used to allow for resale of digital copies since you would surrender your access when you sell it. That kind of thing, there is no real proof that anything being said about blockchains is anything more the investor catnip though.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 4, 2021 12:52:11 GMT
Block chaining is crypto currency right? No, Crypto Currency uses Block Chains. Blockchains is mostly used for security, so an application in gaming would deal more with security like DRM. It secures the data of ownership, so with gaming it could be used to prevent pirate games because the copies you pirate would be in a database not registered to you. It could also be used to allow for resale of digital copies since you would surrender your access when you sell it. That kind of thing, there is no real proof that anything being said about blockchains is anything more the investor catnip though. Ah okay that's fine then. If it was crypto currency then I probably wouldn't be buying the game on principle. Gotta love how they somehow made digital mining worse for the environment then actually mining and unlike actual mining it is completely unneccesary. Sorry for the rant but it annoys me. Thanks for the info though.
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 4, 2021 13:20:54 GMT
No, Crypto Currency uses Block Chains. Blockchains is mostly used for security, so an application in gaming would deal more with security like DRM. It secures the data of ownership, so with gaming it could be used to prevent pirate games because the copies you pirate would be in a database not registered to you. It could also be used to allow for resale of digital copies since you would surrender your access when you sell it. That kind of thing, there is no real proof that anything being said about blockchains is anything more the investor catnip though. Ah okay that's fine then. If it was crypto currency then I probably wouldn't be buying the game on principle. Gotta love how they somehow made digital mining worse for the environment then actually mining and unlike actual mining it is completely unneccesary. Sorry for the rant but it annoys me. Thanks for the info though. The frustration makes sense for some smaller developers are hiding crypto-currency or NFTs into their games to the point Steam has an open ban on them. Then its amplified by the reporting of people not doing their full research on what is what.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 4, 2021 14:30:35 GMT
This was kindly brought to my attention this morning... Ask A Game Dev: askagamedev.tumblr.com/post/669573991358480384/lightning-mailbag-bag-of-devouringWhat does “we have mutually agreed to part ways” mean when it comes to a high profile departure from a game studio? Is it standard HR terminology or corporatespeak for example?It doesn’t really mean anything. “We have mutually agreed to part ways” means that one or both the employer and employee don’t wish to continue working together. There’s no indicator who wants who to go, nor is there any indication of wrongdoing.
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Post by Spectr61 on Dec 4, 2021 19:43:21 GMT
Speaking of those leaving -
Anyone know, or heard rumors of, or know how other studios have divided, the Amazon/Netflix pie when an IP gets made into a series?
If ME and possibly DA get made into series, who gets a slice?
EA certainly. Biower?
What about leadership? Pure speculation, but could the various heads leaving be related to not being able to participate?
I would imagine it would come down to what’s in the individual employment contracts, and the negotiations thereof.
But I do not know. Experts?
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Post by Sanunes on Dec 4, 2021 21:44:37 GMT
Speaking of those leaving - Anyone know, or heard rumors of, or know how other studios have divided, the Amazon/Netflix pie when an IP gets made into a series? If ME and possibly DA get made into series, who gets a slice? EA certainly. Biower? What about leadership? Pure speculation, but could the various heads leaving be related to not being able to participate? I would imagine it would come down to what’s in the individual employment contracts, and the negotiations thereof. But I do not know. Experts? Unless they are working on the show itself, the employees at BioWare probably get nothing and EA would get a royalty for allowing them to use the IP. Much like with a game studio using Star Wars for a video game. Disney will get a cut of the profits, but that is all unless they work on the game itself or their likeness is used.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 5, 2021 23:35:11 GMT
Well, I looked it up and there actually is standard HR terminology called "Termination by Mutual Agreement".
It means that the employee did not get fired and did not quit - either would be a one-sided action. Examples are contract employees at the end of their agreement, retirement and forced resignation. The existence of an agreement does not mean that both sides are happy with the termination, it means that there were certain stipulations concerning the termination that both sides agreed too.
Sources: thebalancecareers.com, ionos.co.uk
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