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Post by midnight tea on Nov 25, 2021 15:38:27 GMT
Without which I'd have never known that he actually got fond messages of farewell so it's not like it's all simply harmful. Information about fond messages of farewell is not speculation I'm talking specifically about weaving theories from scant information we have. I've seen it go sideways more times than I could count.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Nov 25, 2021 15:40:37 GMT
Itself came about because of speculation of why he's not getting any on the major social media platforms, and people will remain interested in the why because of the potential creative impact, particularly with that position.
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Post by mattjamho on Nov 25, 2021 15:46:29 GMT
There's people above and below the position of Creative Director that can fill in the workload until they have a replacement. They may even have someone in place to take over the role and are waiting to announce it. The look and style of the game will largely be in place by this point, I can't see it impacting all that much. Might be a few weeks of juggling tasks around, but it will settle down in time.
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Post by Beerfish on Nov 25, 2021 15:58:09 GMT
So Matthew Goldman is not totally evil after all which was based on rampant speculation and not a shred of evidence other than heresy on other forums and cryptic non specific comments by some bio employees?
Whoulda thunk it?
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 25, 2021 16:14:26 GMT
Not sure how often key personnel have to leave until you realise BW is in the shitters. Yes people leave, but when the creative staff leaves, shit comes out the production line. Huh, I didn't know Matt Goldman or Darrah were the only creative people left on the DA team... It's not like they have 200 or more people there, including people in creative leadership position and it's not like the whole world is going through an extremely stressful pandemic that makes many people across many industries shift their life plans. Anyway, there is way too much speculation about this I know there's not much else to talk about, but I feel people are grasping at straws, trying to find an answer that may not be as straightforward or dramatic as some assume it to be. Yeah, it's not like we saw it time and time happening the past years. By now even you should have noticed it is a repeating pattern.
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Post by Reznore on Nov 25, 2021 16:47:59 GMT
So Matthew Goldman is not totally evil after all which was based on rampant speculation and not a shred of evidence other than heresy on other forums and cryptic non specific comments bu some bio employees? Whoulda thunk it? Apparently it was about the Iron Bull private parts joke ? He told the story about it during some game convention and I think Laidlaw was around, and sure it was a crude sense of humor thing and maybe not that funny but I really don't think it was ment as sexual harassment.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 25, 2021 17:21:47 GMT
I'm betting "creative differences" after reading everything here, I reckon EA wants something grittier, probably more in the vein of The Witcher (that means a significantly different art style than the last two entries minimum) and the idea got pushback from Matt Goldman. That would make sense. Personally I would like them to be a bit grittier for a story but as long as it's a good game I don't care.
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 25, 2021 17:48:19 GMT
Apparently it was about the Iron Bull private parts joke ? He told the story about it during some game convention and I think Laidlaw was around, and sure it was a crude sense of humor thing and maybe not that funny but I really don't think it was ment as sexual harassment. Imagine that, fired for making lame jokes
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Post by Reznore on Nov 25, 2021 18:19:02 GMT
Imagine that, fired for making lame jokes Some people were saying he was toxic because of this on some forum.It wasn't Bioware people talking or anything ...I don't want to start some weird rumors.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 25, 2021 18:35:14 GMT
I'm going to keep my money on "Wouldn't adhere to vaccine mandate." Maybe his wife is big into essential oils and healing crystals.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Nov 25, 2021 19:18:01 GMT
I'm going to keep my money on "Wouldn't adhere to vaccine mandate." Maybe his wife is big into essential oils and healing crystals. Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine?
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Post by Felya87 on Nov 25, 2021 19:50:28 GMT
I'm going to keep my money on "Wouldn't adhere to vaccine mandate." Maybe his wife is big into essential oils and healing crystals. Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine? He would not be the first I've heard of leaving work to not get vaxed - we live in a time where these stories are not uncommon.
Edit: with this I don't have any real opinion/idea why Goldman left BioWare. I'm just sayng the no vaccine would not surprise me much since is something I've already seen.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 25, 2021 20:13:12 GMT
I'm going to keep my money on "Wouldn't adhere to vaccine mandate." Maybe his wife is big into essential oils and healing crystals. Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine? There’s an actor on General Hospital who just walked away from the role because of a vaccine mandate. He’d been on the show since 1992 (with occasional hiatuses). globalnews.ca/news/8398142/steve-burton-fired-covid-19-vaccine-general-hospital/As one possible shred of evidence, I offer this one snarky comment Goldman made in response to someone talking about glasses fogging up because of masks:
Is that just a joke? Or is that a condescending comment from someone who “did their own research” and doesn’t believe in masks or vaccines? Again, Goldman’s departure was probably because of another reason, but vaccine hesitancy is definitely tied to a lot of sudden dismissals these days. It might also explain why these former devs are willing to praise him on LinkedIn but not speak out against his departure, assuming it was indeed unfair.
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Post by githcheater on Nov 25, 2021 22:08:50 GMT
Unfortiunately, it is sounding like more arrogance, and meddling from EA. EA's incompetence has been striving to kill the Dragon Age franchise ever since Awakening. How many companies has EA bought and strangled in the past 20 years?
I would much rather the following tidbit be true. ... From the below squawk box (Beerfish's Fourth Box)
"Warrick: did yall see john epler and mary kirby complaining about abusive leads on twitter, and one day later matt goldman is sacked. hummm"
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 25, 2021 22:47:45 GMT
It could be a joke....but unless there is hidden context we're missing (i.e. one of those, 'you had to be there' things), it isn't very funny. But being funny isn't actually a requirement of being a good person, I suppose Regarding the idea of it being a vax mandate; I thought Bioware were exclusively - or almost exclusively - still working from home? I'd have thought a mandate would be tough to get across the line in those circumstances, unless it's coming and he just didn't want to wait around for it. I would much rather the following tidbit be true. ... Maybe; but John Epler was one of the ones who made a glowing recommendation on Goldman's linkedin page, so that doesn't totally line up for me. John Epler could be called many things, I suppose, but 'toxicity enabler' doesn't strike me as one of them.
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Post by githcheater on Nov 25, 2021 23:44:52 GMT
I would much rather the following tidbit be true. ... Maybe; but John Epler was one of the ones who made a glowing recommendation on Goldman's linkedin page, so that doesn't totally line up for me. John Epler could be called many things, I suppose, but 'toxicity enabler' doesn't strike me as one of them. I did not say it was true, but rather that this outcome would be selfishly preferrable to me, rather than EA shooting Bioware in the foot again. This DA4 project is snake bit enough without EA playing "Father Knows Best" for the umpteenth time.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Nov 26, 2021 1:33:52 GMT
Maybe; but John Epler was one of the ones who made a glowing recommendation on Goldman's linkedin page, so that doesn't totally line up for me. John Epler could be called many things, I suppose, but 'toxicity enabler' doesn't strike me as one of them. I did not say it was true, but rather that this outcome would be selfishly preferrable to me, rather than EA shooting Bioware in the foot again. This DA4 project is snake bit enough without EA playing "Father Knows Best" for the umpteenth time. Gotcha - sorry, reading fail
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Post by 10k on Nov 26, 2021 22:22:53 GMT
Well cheers to him, and I wish him well.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 27, 2021 0:04:51 GMT
I'm going to keep my money on "Wouldn't adhere to vaccine mandate." Maybe his wife is big into essential oils and healing crystals. Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine? A friend is literally in this position.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 27, 2021 0:49:39 GMT
Give up a well paying job just because he doesn't want a vaccine? A friend is literally in this position. Honestly? This scenario makes the most sense to me over everything else. You don't just suddenly fire a guy who has worked at the company for over 23 years and who is the face of your current project. At least that's something I don't want to believe. Gosh, this is still so unbelievably strange to me.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 27, 2021 1:02:36 GMT
Hmm, I'm a little surprised we didn't get a public statement today. I thought they might issue one on a Friday so they'd have the weekend for the news to diffuse.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Nov 27, 2021 1:44:34 GMT
Maybe they are waiting to pair it with some good news on DA Day.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 27, 2021 1:58:49 GMT
Maybe they are waiting to pair it with some good news on DA Day. I'm hoping they'll pick any other day than DA Day for that... If I had to guess... I'd say they don't have a successor in place yet. So they'll wait until they do and then they can announce both.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 27, 2021 2:03:03 GMT
I think (at least I am hoping) that they've always had a plan to announce his departure and haven't changed said plan, regardless of the leak. Without the leak, how would we have known? So I'm hoping for something soon.
I mean, that's a big departure, it's best for BioWare to take control of the narrative rather than have people guessing with their doom and gloom takes. Right now, the public has an internal email to go off of. I don't think that's what EA or BioWare wants. Of course, people will always guess and have their takes, but something is way better than nothing in this scenario.
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Post by Zemgus on Nov 27, 2021 4:42:15 GMT
I don't think there's going to be any public announcement or there already would've been one. They'll probably just eventually announce who the replacement for Matt is and that's it. It's becoming a weird tradition though how last year right before DA day Darrah and Hudson left Bioware and now Goldman was (presumably) fired. Another one bites the dust.
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