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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 4, 2022 4:53:09 GMT
You would think so. But Bioware has repeatedly demonstrated a willingness to go over a cliff rather than do so. Maybe. But they took some serious hits with Anthem and MEA. They have to know that another failure will end their company. And you think going with an ending that less than half picked and throwing away the ones more than half picked wouldn’t do that?
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 4, 2022 6:54:22 GMT
More age appropriate role, for sure. 50s Shep can still be plenty badass, see Anderson being Anderson in all 3 games. Dual protagonist idea works for me, but it would be jarring I think for new players, and that's all the shareholders care about so unlikely at best. Shep being NPC with their own goals and motivations? Sorry no. God no. Given cybernetics and genetic modifications are a thing in this setting, characters can totally be badass well past what we would consider "prime" in this day and age. Anyway, assuming Shepard comes back: They'd have to erase the final 20-30 minutes of the game from canon. Certainly everything involving Glowjob the Starbrat. Because that whole sequence took away any sense of accomplishment from Shepard's journey. Otherwise Shep would have to de with the legacy of being a butcher, a slaver, or a eugenicist (or someone who just stood by and let the galaxy burn after making a pretty speech) So yeah, compelling story? Change the Crucible so it did SOMETHING to level the playing field between the Milky Way fleets and the reaper hordes, but overloaded the relays, making the network unusable for some time. The galaxy spends the next several years/decades rebuilding, and when the time comes to start exploring the galaxy to find out what happened to it over the years, Shepard is the first one to go exploring. It's a whole new age of exploration, but across familiar territory. Funny thing, I've never really liked the idea of 'exploration' being a core theme of Mass Effect. What drew me to the Mass Effect lore was that the milky way was this thriving connected galactic community. If I need Bioware to do anything I need them to bring that sense of galactic community back for ME4 after it was thrown in the bin for MEA.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 4, 2022 11:42:19 GMT
Maybe. But they took some serious hits with Anthem and MEA. They have to know that another failure will end their company. And you think going with an ending that less than half picked and throwing away the ones more than half picked wouldn’t do that? Are you going by the numbers for the remaster? Are the numbers for the first playthrough or are they for all playthroughs a player has completed? I know I've completed MELE3 multiple times choosing the red every time. What about the people who chose not to get the remaster yet played the original trilogy? Shouldn't their choice count as well? If the numbers only count the first playthrough, that sucks for someone who didn't mean to choose the green who reloaded their game to choose the red. I've mentioned that before. When ME3 was released, people wanted red, but because their Shepard moved too far forward, the game took over activating the green. I would not be surprised if the same happened for the remaster. I know you're a big fan of the green, but the green is crap. Going by your previous posts, you expect everyone to choose it. If they don't, you say their Shepard is committing genocide and call him/her a murderer especially if red is chosen. I will point you to my signature that has a link to a playthrough. If I were to do that playthrough except choose the green, the differences would be either the geth or quarians survive ME3, and a few squadmates survive. Is that a good playthrough? I did choose the green. But I doubt it in your eyes because I did not get peace between the geth and quarians. Speaking of peace. Can you give me a reason why I should allow the geth to upload the code? Remember it's because of reaper interference peace is possible. I keep bringing up Hackett's ending. That's because it's what the game told the player. Destroying the reapers. I've said what happens is after Shepard passes out, and the arms to the Citadel are fully open, the crucible fires the red beam all over the galaxy destroying the reapers. What could that mean for the geth? The edibot? In ME4, the geth start acting strange. By the end of the game, the geth are back to what they were before uploading the code? With the edibot. It can go back to being a hologram.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 4, 2022 12:19:42 GMT
How often does Shepard still hhave to die? I feel it's enough now.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 4, 2022 13:21:08 GMT
And you think going with an ending that less than half picked and throwing away the ones more than half picked wouldn’t do that? Are you going by the numbers for the remaster? Are the numbers for the first playthrough or are they for all playthroughs a player has completed? I know I've completed MELE3 multiple times choosing the red every time. What about the people who chose not to get the remaster yet played the original trilogy? Shouldn't their choice count as well? If the numbers only count the first playthrough, that sucks for someone who didn't mean to choose the green who reloaded their game to choose the red. I've mentioned that before. When ME3 was released, people wanted red, but because their Shepard moved too far forward, the game took over activating the green. I would not be surprised if the same happened for the remaster. Or those who playe dmodded endings, or would if they could?
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Post by Iakus on Aug 4, 2022 13:22:23 GMT
Maybe. But they took some serious hits with Anthem and MEA. They have to know that another failure will end their company. And you think going with an ending that less than half picked and throwing away the ones more than half picked wouldn’t do that? All the endings are garbage. That's why I say that IF Shepard were to come back, they'd have to remove it and go in a different direction.
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Post by Spectr61 on Aug 4, 2022 19:01:52 GMT
Assume Dreadwolf launches and is a bit. (I know, a big assumption)
This leaves Biower with a 2 hit recent track record. (MELE and DA:D)
Now assume they are riding relatively high in the saddle because of this.
Does this make them more or less likely to bring back Shep?
I'd say more, and then go with @mikefest or something like that.
Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine!
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 4, 2022 19:52:09 GMT
Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine! Ryder has a spine by the end. He wasn't a natural leader and was not groomed to take on the role of Pathfinder. Of course he took time to find his footing. And remember, at the end, he didn't even have access to SAM when previously he might not have survived without the AI. Shepard wouldn't be useful to him by the time he or she got to Andromeda. Personally, I wouldn't bring back Shepard. Shepard had a very particular story and that story was completed. I loved Shep, and the MET remains my all-time favorite game series, but I'm okay with moving on.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 4, 2022 23:56:34 GMT
Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine!
I think Ryder is a real hero:
Ryder jumped a galaxy with her family with nothing but the cloths on her back. Her twin brother was in a medically induced coma through most of the story. Her father died saving her life. She had to basically put the A.I. back together. She forged an alliance with the angara. She raised an armada by her own will. She fought, found, and used powerful terraforming network, to make planets habitable across a cluster. She defeated the Archon.
She wasn't a N7 super solider. She was a normal solider she wasn't and didn't even want to be Pathfinder but once she was made Pathfinder she proved in one game that she was more than Shepard's equal after 3 games. So both of the Ryder twins are heroes each with a stronger spin than Shepard.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2022 0:19:45 GMT
Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine! Ryder has a spine by the end. He wasn't a natural leader and was not groomed to take on the role of Pathfinder. Of course he took time to find his footing. And remember, at the end, he didn't even have access to SAM when previously he might not have survived without the AI. Shepard wouldn't be useful to him by the time he or she got to Andromeda. Personally, I wouldn't bring back Shepard. Shepard had a very particular story and that story was completed. I loved Shep, and the MET remains my all-time favorite game series, but I'm okay with moving on. Remember the little one has experience from the Alliance and a father who is a former N7 yet whatever they learned went in one ear and out the other. I get little Ryder had no choice in having the sam voice crap leading to him/her being the pathfinder, but there was no reason to act like an incompetent wimp. Sure there's a couple moments the little one can have a chest pounding moment, but the nonsense outweighs that. As I've said before. I could walk up to the little one, smack them upside the head, watch them fall to the ground, curl up in a fetal position, then start sucking their thumb. And as I said before part 2, if they bring back the little Ryder, one of the things I like to see happen, at least get me to believe he/she has matured, is get rid of the stowaway and traitor. Ryder realizes he/she can't have squadmates on the roster doing stupid crap. That stupid crap could lead to something worse than what was seen in MEA. That would be a start. I would bring back Shepard. The remaster did very well. Better than what EA/Bioware expected. Someone can correct me about that. Currently there's more talk about the trilogy than anything related to MEA. It would not be hard to bring Shepard back. Do I believe Shepard will return? If the teaser is to be believed, it's possible. A game with Shepard would outsell a game with Ryder.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2022 0:33:53 GMT
I think Ryder is a real hero: Ryder jumped a galaxy with her family with nothing but the cloths on her back. Does that mean everyone else who travelled to Andromeda is a real hero as well? How does that make femRyder a real hero? Does that mean anyone who is put in medically induced coma, will have their sibling be a real hero? Nope. Alec is the real hero for sacrificing himself to save his kid. Would Ryder have been able to do all that without the sam? I don't agree with that at all. If Ryder had any spine, he/she would have thrown the asari off her/him like a sack of potatoes, than get in it's face to explain why the asari is stupid. How about standing up for yourself when someone mouths off at you? That happened twice in the game, did it not? How about getting in the face of the peepee and kosta clown when they did stupid crap? Oh that's right, Ryder couldn't do that. He/she lacked a pair.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 5, 2022 6:01:22 GMT
Would Ryder have been able to do all that without the sam? Yep, you could have put SAM into any half trained monkey and acheived the same result. I find Shepard and Ryder to be a generational thing. One is from the old school where you had earn your stripes, the other is part of the 'everyone wins a trophy' mindset.
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Post by Spectr61 on Aug 5, 2022 17:51:58 GMT
My My,
Look what one little joke about spineless Ryder hath created!
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 6, 2022 7:28:55 GMT
You bring Shepard back but the question is it another clone or the "real" Shepard and did the real Shepard die at the start of ME2 and the Shepard that went through Omega 4 Relay and stopped the Reapers was just a clone or a hi-tech VI that thought it was the real Shepard. That is something that Shepard asks in the Cerberus base in ME3 but given that was basically at the start of the endgame there wasn't any time to explore any of that. I know if you bring Liara she states that she knew Shepard was real the moment she touched them again in ME2. Now IF you absolutely must bring Shepard back that is at least IMHO a new take on the character that I would find interesting as long as you don't have Shepard and company constantly drone on and on about it. I find the ideas of having Shepard have an identity crisis and/or is suffering from imposter syndrome, very interesting and this would allow for any gaps in Shepard's memories to be explained and if you want to be free of previous romances and paragon/renegade beliefs that would be a decent way to deal with them. Also it allows for a centuries spanning time jump without making any of the endings canon and makes a lot more sense than Shepard falling through Earth's atmosphere and crash landing in a glacier for centuries. Hell you can even do this in a direct sequel to MEA and play up the question is it the real Shepard from ME1 or another clone sent there by the Council, Cerberus, the Shadow Broker or the Benefactor in the Quarian Ark and that would make a great antagonist for Pathfinder Ryder. A clone Shepard is an intriguing idea and it's almost like having a new protagonist. Then you've got some interesting questions like who made the clone? Cerberus? The alliance? The Geth? I'd certainly be interested. You could even have the clone from the Citadel DLC miraculously survive his fall and have the next game follow his redemption arc.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 6, 2022 16:33:59 GMT
You bring Shepard back but the question is it another clone or the "real" Shepard and did the real Shepard die at the start of ME2 and the Shepard that went through Omega 4 Relay and stopped the Reapers was just a clone or a hi-tech VI that thought it was the real Shepard. That is something that Shepard asks in the Cerberus base in ME3 but given that was basically at the start of the endgame there wasn't any time to explore any of that. I know if you bring Liara she states that she knew Shepard was real the moment she touched them again in ME2. Now IF you absolutely must bring Shepard back that is at least IMHO a new take on the character that I would find interesting as long as you don't have Shepard and company constantly drone on and on about it. I find the ideas of having Shepard have an identity crisis and/or is suffering from imposter syndrome, very interesting and this would allow for any gaps in Shepard's memories to be explained and if you want to be free of previous romances and paragon/renegade beliefs that would be a decent way to deal with them. Also it allows for a centuries spanning time jump without making any of the endings canon and makes a lot more sense than Shepard falling through Earth's atmosphere and crash landing in a glacier for centuries. Hell you can even do this in a direct sequel to MEA and play up the question is it the real Shepard from ME1 or another clone sent there by the Council, Cerberus, the Shadow Broker or the Benefactor in the Quarian Ark and that would make a great antagonist for Pathfinder Ryder. A clone Shepard is an intriguing idea and it's almost like having a new protagonist. Then you've got some interesting questions like who made the clone? Cerberus? The alliance? The Geth? I'd certainly be interested. You could even have the clone from the Citadel DLC miraculously survive his fall and have the next game follow his redemption arc. Liara made the clone as she can't let go.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2022 16:50:44 GMT
You bring Shepard back but the question is it another clone or the "real" Shepard and did the real Shepard die at the start of ME2 and the Shepard that went through Omega 4 Relay and stopped the Reapers was just a clone or a hi-tech VI that thought it was the real Shepard. That is something that Shepard asks in the Cerberus base in ME3 but given that was basically at the start of the endgame there wasn't any time to explore any of that. I know if you bring Liara she states that she knew Shepard was real the moment she touched them again in ME2. If the trilogy were to be remade, I would get rid of that crap by having Shepard survive the beginning of ME2 suffering only minor injuries.
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Post by Phantom on Aug 6, 2022 18:06:30 GMT
A clone Shepard is an intriguing idea and it's almost like having a new protagonist. Then you've got some interesting questions like who made the clone? Cerberus? The alliance? The Geth? I'd certainly be interested. You could even have the clone from the Citadel DLC miraculously survive his fall and have the next game follow his redemption arc. Liara made the clone as she can't let go. well that is a good set up for her as a villain. As Liara has potential to be a well written Big Bad.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 6, 2022 19:31:36 GMT
A clone Shepard is an intriguing idea and it's almost like having a new protagonist. I'm actually writing a fanfic where clone Shepard turns out to have survived and they discover that he's actually a twin that Cerberus repurposed. He didn't know he was a twin and they weren't born identical. But that's another story.
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Post by winterking on Aug 9, 2022 14:58:32 GMT
Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus.
The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 9, 2022 16:57:52 GMT
Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus. The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch. Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy!
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Post by jclosed on Aug 9, 2022 17:48:13 GMT
Where do I take the story? Nowhere!
If Shepard comes back like, he must be a zombie that comes back to life over and over again. It's not only a cheap cash grab, but also boring as hell. On top of that - I don't like zombie games. There are already enough of them to fill a whole garbage bin.
So - Nowhere, because I won't buy such a game...
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 9, 2022 18:06:38 GMT
Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus. The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch. Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy! Or... Shepard wakes up in his/her bunk on the Normandy SR1 after leaving Earth. Total reboot of the trilogy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 9, 2022 18:24:18 GMT
Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus. The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch. Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy!
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Post by Iakus on Aug 9, 2022 19:09:09 GMT
Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy! I'll take it!
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 9, 2022 19:51:47 GMT
You bring Shepard back but the question is it another clone or the "real" Shepard and did the real Shepard die at the start of ME2 and the Shepard that went through Omega 4 Relay and stopped the Reapers was just a clone or a hi-tech VI that thought it was the real Shepard. That is something that Shepard asks in the Cerberus base in ME3 but given that was basically at the start of the endgame there wasn't any time to explore any of that. I know if you bring Liara she states that she knew Shepard was real the moment she touched them again in ME2. Now IF you absolutely must bring Shepard back that is at least IMHO a new take on the character that I would find interesting as long as you don't have Shepard and company constantly drone on and on about it. I find the ideas of having Shepard have an identity crisis and/or is suffering from imposter syndrome, very interesting and this would allow for any gaps in Shepard's memories to be explained and if you want to be free of previous romances and paragon/renegade beliefs that would be a decent way to deal with them. Also it allows for a centuries spanning time jump without making any of the endings canon and makes a lot more sense than Shepard falling through Earth's atmosphere and crash landing in a glacier for centuries. Hell you can even do this in a direct sequel to MEA and play up the question is it the real Shepard from ME1 or another clone sent there by the Council, Cerberus, the Shadow Broker or the Benefactor in the Quarian Ark and that would make a great antagonist for Pathfinder Ryder. A clone Shepard is an intriguing idea and it's almost like having a new protagonist. Then you've got some interesting questions like who made the clone? Cerberus? The alliance? The Geth? I'd certainly be interested. You could even have the clone from the Citadel DLC miraculously survive his fall and have the next game follow his redemption arc.
Or maybe the clone is created by some an unholy alliance between The Council, The Alliance, The Shadow Broker, and the remains of Cerberus and the Reapers you would also need one hell of a great and powerful villain and/or evil faction though.
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