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Post by themikefest on Aug 9, 2022 23:24:53 GMT
Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus. The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch. While being under false arrest, Shepard is taking a nap where he/she dreams what happens in ME3. What if Shepard can't return? He/she was actually killed by Harbinger during the suicide run to the beam. ME4 starts with the fleets scambling to put up any fight against the reapers. Anderson makes it up the beam only to be TIM's puppet. Major Coates appoints you, the main character, to get up the beam to open the arms. The character creator screen pops up. With Harbinger gone, you make it up the beam. You encounter TIM controlling Anderson. You shoot TIM. Anderson is ok. Both of you take the magic carpet ride up to lala land to talk with dumb, dumb. The tube is shot. Reapers destroyed, You and Anderson survive. Your goal is to find out if the reaper threat has been eliminated. During that time, the squadmates and crew mourn the loss of Shepard. Shepard wakes up from the Geth consensus. The first mission of ME4 is Priority: Rannoch. Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy! How about when Jenkins is killed? Shepard is frozen for a brief moment long enough to foresee what the future will be. Or when Shepard is looking out the window at the beginning of ME1. He/she closes their eyes for a brief moment to see the future. Remake the trilogy. Where do I take the story? Nowhere! If Shepard comes back like, he must be a zombie that comes back to life over and over again. It's not only a cheap cash grab, but also boring as hell. On top of that - I don't like zombie games. There are already enough of them to fill a whole garbage bin. So - Nowhere, because I won't buy such a game... Zombie? Ok this could work. Shepard plays the role of Nemesis that is terrorizing the galaxy. You, the main character, play as Jill, Claire and Leon. You travel all over the galaxy to destroy the Shepard nemesis zombie. For this game, Capcom and Bioware will work together. Take my money Shepard wakes up in the Normandy's sickbay after interacting with the beacon on Eden Prime. Redo the entire trilogy! Or... Shepard wakes up in his/her bunk on the Normandy SR1 after leaving Earth. Total reboot of the trilogy. That would work.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2022 0:43:41 GMT
Where do I take the story? Nowhere! If Shepard comes back like, he must be a zombie that comes back to life over and over again. It's not only a cheap cash grab, but also boring as hell. On top of that - I don't like zombie games. There are already enough of them to fill a whole garbage bin. So - Nowhere, because I won't buy such a game... Shepard is a cyborg zombie in 2 and 3 already.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 10, 2022 3:53:37 GMT
Assume Dreadwolf launches and is a bit. (I know, a big assumption) This leaves Biower with a 2 hit recent track record. (MELE and DA:D) Now assume they are riding relatively high in the saddle because of this.
Does this make them more or less likely to bring back Shep?I'd say more, and then go with @mikefest or something like that. Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine! Honestly? It'd make it less likely. I already can hear the screaming and shouting as I say this, but they were on a high from ME 3 still, and doubled down on the ending. Then, we got Andromeda. Which, again - was not a terrible game. It just also wasn't a great game.
While I can understand why you'd think that with MELE (which was a success) and in this hypothetical DA:D being a success, they're more likely to bring Shep back. I can't help but see the opposite - they would probably be seeing it as playing with house money and figure that they couldn't lose either way, which is not true. I think regardless of the hypothetical success or failure of DA:D, ME:Next has to at least do well with a majority of the fanbase.
DA I'd argue has been on a quickly increasing decline; Mass Effect drove itself off a cliff after ME 3. So, whereas DA I think can afford another sub-par game, this is make-or-break for Mass Effect. And I enjoyed Andromeda; it wasn't the greatest Mass Effect game, but certainly not the worst, either. But the people that I know outside of these forums that are also part of the Mass Effect fandom, one was ambivalent towards Andromeda, three despised it, and one felt like I do - it was worth a play through, but that's about it. I don't think Mass Effect can handle another reception that Andromeda got, which isn't fair. It should have at least got a similar reception as DA 2 did, which was not as good as Origins, but better than Inquisition.
But that's a rant for a different thread.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 10, 2022 6:21:04 GMT
Me too...I've always said this would be the best way to remake the trilogy while preserving everyone's original choices. The beacon was nothing more than a Reaper trap to learn the operational principles and strategic resources of the current cycle. Of course you'd have to have a different crew of aliens.
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Post by 10k on Aug 14, 2022 22:51:13 GMT
Seeing as BW finally has a competent writer, Mary DeMarle, who will be acting as senior narrative director for the next game. I can say wholeheartedly I'm actually excited to see what she will do. I hope they'll finally just make destroy canon, and we can move on from there. A story about rebuilding the MW would be cool. It could be about different groups factioning off vying for power. It could be more of a dark underbelly tale. Shep has to fight the merc gangs, pirates, and slavers trying to keep order. There's a plethora of different ways they can approach what's next with Shep, and they finally have someone with the creative know how to potentially do it.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 15, 2022 3:42:14 GMT
Seeing as BW finally has a competent writer, Mary DeMarle, who will be acting as senior narrative director for the next game. I can say wholeheartedly I'm actually excited to see what she will do. I hope they'll finally just make destroy canon, and we can move on from there. A story about rebuilding the MW would be cool. It could be about different groups factioning off vying for power. It could be more of a dark underbelly tale. Shep has to fight the merc gangs, pirates, and slavers trying to keep order. There's a plethora of different ways they can approach what's next with Shep, and they finally have someone with the creative know how to potentially do it. Plus there's about, what 99% of the MW unexplored? There's plenty of things you could do with that.
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Post by Spectr61 on Aug 15, 2022 6:39:43 GMT
Assume Dreadwolf launches and is a bit. (I know, a big assumption) This leaves Biower with a 2 hit recent track record. (MELE and DA:D) Now assume they are riding relatively high in the saddle because of this.
Does this make them more or less likely to bring back Shep?I'd say more, and then go with @mikefest or something like that. Alternatively, bring him back, space magic an instantaneous relay to Andromeda, and have him go give Ryder a spine! Honestly? It'd make it less likely. I already can hear the screaming and shouting as I say this, but they were on a high from ME 3 still, and doubled down on the ending. Then, we got Andromeda. Which, again - was not a terrible game. It just also wasn't a great game.
While I can understand why you'd think that with MELE (which was a success) and in this hypothetical DA:D being a success, they're more likely to bring Shep back. I can't help but see the opposite - they would probably be seeing it as playing with house money and figure that they couldn't lose either way, which is not true. I think regardless of the hypothetical success or failure of DA:D, ME:Next has to at least do well with a majority of the fanbase.
DA I'd argue has been on a quickly increasing decline; Mass Effect drove itself off a cliff after ME 3. So, whereas DA I think can afford another sub-par game, this is make-or-break for Mass Effect. And I enjoyed Andromeda; it wasn't the greatest Mass Effect game, but certainly not the worst, either. But the people that I know outside of these forums that are also part of the Mass Effect fandom, one was ambivalent towards Andromeda, three despised it, and one felt like I do - it was worth a play through, but that's about it. I don't think Mass Effect can handle another reception that Andromeda got, which isn't fair. It should have at least got a similar reception as DA 2 did, which was not as good as Origins, but better than Inquisition.
But that's a rant for a different thread.
Agree, toss up either way. Count on Biower to do the opposite of what it should. Super Mac is still in charge. As far as Andromeds not “being the worst” ME game, if not Andromeda, then what? I would vote for ME3. (Exception: ME3MP cures many sins, but still, those endings….) And as far as you saying that Mass Effect “drove off the cliff after ME3”, I would argue that ME3 drove Mass Effect off that cliff, not after it. Finally, I too enjoyed Andromeda, though disappointed by its well documented shortcomings….
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Post by helios969 on Aug 15, 2022 7:22:36 GMT
Seeing as BW finally has a competent writer, Mary DeMarle, who will be acting as senior narrative director for the next game. I can say wholeheartedly I'm actually excited to see what she will do. I hope they'll finally just make destroy canon, and we can move on from there. A story about rebuilding the MW would be cool. It could be about different groups factioning off vying for power. It could be more of a dark underbelly tale. Shep has to fight the merc gangs, pirates, and slavers trying to keep order. There's a plethora of different ways they can approach what's next with Shep, and they finally have someone with the creative know how to potentially do it. Had to look her up. I loved all the old Myst games but I have to say I wasn't particularly impressed with the writing in the Deus Ex games so we'll see how she executes under a Bioware format. Here's hoping she nails it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 15, 2022 15:05:51 GMT
Had to look her up. I loved all the old Myst games but I have to say I wasn't particularly impressed with the writing in the Deus Ex games so we'll see how she executes under a Bioware format. Here's hoping she nails it. If she doesn't, ME is gone for good. No question about it.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 15, 2022 15:09:43 GMT
As far as Andromeds not “being the worst” ME game, if not Andromeda, then what? I would vote for ME3. Apparently ME3 was very well liked except for the ending. ME3 had the same rating as ME1, and both were below ME2. So I guess ME1 was so bad that it ended up becoming a trilogy? MEA was way below. That's just Metacritic and the rating are fairly even between PC & consoles. I'm not going to go searching through all of the sites that rate games.
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Post by 10k on Aug 15, 2022 15:20:50 GMT
Andromeda by all accounts was the worst in the series. Sure it has its fans, all games do. But there is just no doubt it was the worst. The fact it didn't see any DLC, and the series was "put on ice" only to get revived because of the trilogy remaster says everything.
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Post by Guardian on Aug 16, 2022 1:26:38 GMT
Agree, toss up either way. Count on Biower to do the opposite of what it should. Super Mac is still in charge. As far as Andromeds not “being the worst” ME game, if not Andromeda, then what? I would vote for ME3. (Exception: ME3MP cures many sins, but still, those endings….) And as far as you saying that Mass Effect “drove off the cliff after ME3”, I would argue that ME3 drove Mass Effect off that cliff, not after it. Well...to be honest....the worst ME for me...is the first one. But it's a very strange reason as to why. I break it down in a ruebrick I made once. A majority of why is because of the combat. After playing ME 2, I try to minimize my ME 1 playing purely because I feel the combat is such a slog and tedious to get through. Again, I should have said so, but the endings to ME 3 is why Mass Effect drove off a cliff. That and Hudson and Mac doubling down on their "artistic integrity". Which is why I celebrated when Hudson left. Finally, I too enjoyed Andromeda, though disappointed by its well documented shortcomings…. Agreed - it had a lot of flaws and faults. It didn't deserve the blind hatred it got, but it also doesn't deserve blind praise either. If someone wants to know what Mass Effect is like, I usually point them to ME 2.
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Post by hulluliini on Aug 16, 2022 6:44:33 GMT
I actually like ME1 combat the best, though combos were a great addition in later games.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 16, 2022 10:04:02 GMT
I actually like ME1 combat the best, though combos were a great addition in later games. It had a janky chaotic charm that I really appreciate. MEA's combat was the worst in my view. Far too floaty and the gunplay had no sense of weight. Overall in terms of combat I'd go ME3 > ME1 > ME2 > MEA
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2022 11:59:21 GMT
Had to look her up. I loved all the old Myst games but I have to say I wasn't particularly impressed with the writing in the Deus Ex games so we'll see how she executes under a Bioware format. Here's hoping she nails it. If she doesn't, ME is gone for good. No question about it. I don't agree. Why I say that is because of the remaster. What are the chances the next game will be a remake of the trilogy? At this time, probably 0%. If the game doesn't do well for whatever reason, a remake might be the way to go. It would bring in a lot of new players. Players who played the original trilogy will buy. No idea how many of them will. A remake may end up being better than the original. What if the next game brings Shepard back? It will likely do well. If it does poorly, I would still believe a remake could right the ship.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2022 12:03:25 GMT
I actually like ME1 combat the best, though combos were a great addition in later games. It had a janky chaotic charm that I really appreciate. MEA's combat was the worst in my view. Far too floaty and the gunplay had no sense of weight. Overall in terms of combat I'd go ME3 > ME1 > ME2 > MEA For me, ME3>ME2>ME1>MEA. Why I put MEA last is because it lacked a power wheel. I liked having it in the trilogy. It was optional to use. It was great having to direct a squadmate to deal with this enemy while the other squadmate deals with that enemy while Shepard deals with a third enemy. I like for the power wheel to return in the next game.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 17, 2022 7:24:52 GMT
If she doesn't, ME is gone for good. No question about it. I don't agree. Why I say that is because of the remaster. What are the chances the next game will be a remake of the trilogy? At this time, probably 0%. If the game doesn't do well for whatever reason, a remake might be the way to go. It would bring in a lot of new players. Players who played the original trilogy will buy. No idea how many of them will. A remake may end up being better than the original. What if the next game brings Shepard back? It will likely do well. If it does poorly, I would still believe a remake could right the ship. I agree. I'm on the fence as to predicting either way whether ME-next will do well simply because the impression is they're going to tie the Milky Way and Andromeda arcs together. That's quite the clusterf*ck to untangle and weave into viable story. I think story and well thought out companion interactions are what will make or break the next game...not massive exploration or good combat...even though I appreciate the latter quite alot and the former not at all.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 17, 2022 11:04:40 GMT
It had a janky chaotic charm that I really appreciate. MEA's combat was the worst in my view. Far too floaty and the gunplay had no sense of weight. Overall in terms of combat I'd go ME3 > ME1 > ME2 > MEA For me, ME3>ME2>ME1>MEA. Why I put MEA last is because it lacked a power wheel. I liked having it in the trilogy. It was optional to use. It was great having to direct a squadmate to deal with this enemy while the other squadmate deals with that enemy while Shepard deals with a third enemy. I like for the power wheel to return in the next game. Yeah. Forgot about that. Removing the power wheel was also a travesty. It's funny seeing these efforts to streamline combat and then on the other hand they introduce this whole convoluted menu upon menu 'profile' system.
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Post by Arcian on Aug 18, 2022 5:03:42 GMT
Given cybernetics and genetic modifications are a thing in this setting, characters can totally be badass well past what we would consider "prime" in this day and age. Anyway, assuming Shepard comes back: They'd have to erase the final 20-30 minutes of the game from canon. Certainly everything involving Glowjob the Starbrat. Because that whole sequence took away any sense of accomplishment from Shepard's journey. Otherwise Shep would have to de with the legacy of being a butcher, a slaver, or a eugenicist (or someone who just stood by and let the galaxy burn after making a pretty speech) So yeah, compelling story? Change the Crucible so it did SOMETHING to level the playing field between the Milky Way fleets and the reaper hordes, but overloaded the relays, making the network unusable for some time. The galaxy spends the next several years/decades rebuilding, and when the time comes to start exploring the galaxy to find out what happened to it over the years, Shepard is the first one to go exploring. It's a whole new age of exploration, but across familiar territory. Funny thing, I've never really liked the idea of 'exploration' being a core theme of Mass Effect. What drew me to the Mass Effect lore was that the milky way was this thriving connected galactic community. If I need Bioware to do anything I need them to bring that sense of galactic community back for ME4 after it was thrown in the bin for MEA. It's both. You have the thriving, connected galactic community, but the circumstances of that connectedness means they are islands of civilization in an incomprehensibly vast cosmic ocean, bridged to one another only by the grace of Mass Effect physics. Where Andromeda failed for me is that it asked us not to take on the role of explorers, but settlers. We went to the new world, but abandoned the old world and most of what made the old world great, with the expectation that the new world would suffice as a substitute... which it did not. If Andromeda had been set in the Milky Way instead (obviously with a different title than Andromeda), then we could have been genuine explorers setting out beyond the edges of the galaxy's numerous islands of civilization to either explore undiscovered regions of space, or rediscover the regions lost to our civilization after the cataclysmic events of ME3's conclusion.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 18, 2022 6:50:49 GMT
Where Andromeda failed for me is that it asked us not to take on the role of explorers, but settlers. Yeah I felt like the AI was more hippi commune than a group of highly trained settlers/explorers...even if we were able of seeing in real time 2.5M light years with enough resolution to determine biomes of each planet, a dumb idea that far breaks suspension of disbelief, and which for me broke the story before I even began.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 18, 2022 12:05:30 GMT
I don't agree. Why I say that is because of the remaster. What are the chances the next game will be a remake of the trilogy? At this time, probably 0%. If the game doesn't do well for whatever reason, a remake might be the way to go. It would bring in a lot of new players. Players who played the original trilogy will buy. No idea how many of them will. A remake may end up being better than the original. What if the next game brings Shepard back? It will likely do well. If it does poorly, I would still believe a remake could right the ship. I agree. I'm on the fence as to predicting either way whether ME-next will do well simply because the impression is they're going to tie the Milky Way and Andromeda arcs together. That's quite the clusterf*ck to untangle and weave into viable story. I think story and well thought out companion interactions are what will make or break the next game...not massive exploration or good combat...even though I appreciate the latter quite alot and the former not at all. I'm not a fan of merging both galaxies together. It would likely end up being some hocus pocus reason. Bringing Shepard back along with the characters that surrounded him/her would be the way to go. Like I keep saying. It would not be hard to bring Shepard back. If the teaser for ME Will Continue is to be believed, a character who is/was an N7 will have a role. It could be either Shepard or a new character. Then again, the teaser could be a way for Bioware/EA to gauge the reaction of the fans.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 18, 2022 17:10:20 GMT
I actually like ME1 combat the best, though combos were a great addition in later games. It had a janky chaotic charm that I really appreciate. MEA's combat was the worst in my view. Far too floaty and the gunplay had no sense of weight. Overall in terms of combat I'd go ME3 > ME1 > ME2 > MEA
Honestly I would rank it:
MEA > ME3 > ME2 > ME1
The combat of ME1 is outdated bordering on pure trash. The overheat thing is annoying and the sniper rifles and shotguns suck.
The combat of ME2 feels natural and is fun even though I think that all of the heavy weapons are useless,
The combat of ME3 feels like a refined and improvement on the second game.
The combat of MEA is the best it's got the best weapons, the profiles system allow me to use any powers that I want, and the jump jets are an absolute blast and add new ways to see targets.
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Post by helios969 on Aug 19, 2022 5:53:51 GMT
Honestly I would rank it:
MEA > ME3 > ME2 > ME1 Me too...the only caveat I'd add is that I ultimately enjoyed ME3 more because of the enemy variability (that banshee scream was deliciously horrific). MEA would have been perfect if there had been more uplifted MW species...and more MW species present to work with too.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 19, 2022 18:57:56 GMT
It had a janky chaotic charm that I really appreciate. MEA's combat was the worst in my view. Far too floaty and the gunplay had no sense of weight. Overall in terms of combat I'd go ME3 > ME1 > ME2 > MEA
Honestly I would rank it:
MEA > ME3 > ME2 > ME1
The combat of ME1 is outdated bordering on pure trash. The overheat thing is annoying and the sniper rifles and shotguns suck.
The combat of ME2 feels natural and is fun even though I think that all of the heavy weapons are useless,
The combat of ME3 feels like a refined and improvement on the second game.
The combat of MEA is the best it's got the best weapons, the profiles system allow me to use any powers that I want, and the jump jets are an absolute blast and add new ways to see targets.
ME1>>>>>>>>>>MEA>ME2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ME3 ME1's combat and inventory needed polish, but was still a solid enough game. I actually enjoyed the overheat system and I LOVED sniper rifles (go-to class was Infiltrator) MEA slightly edges out ME2 because, well, it's practically a new IP. Keep that in mind, and it's an okay first attempt. It does horrible things to Mass Effect's lore, though, the story was boring, and the profile system was worse than useless. But take "Mass Effect" out of the title, and it had potential. ME2 had more fun gameplay, but utterly ignored almost everything Shepard did in ME1. the VS got done really dirty too. Cerberus got a complete rewrite so it was virtually a completely new organization. And oh, yeah, RPG mechanics were pared down to practically nothing. ME3 makes me hate the franchise. Few dialogue options, and those that it did have were binary. Over a thousand choices made across three games rendered down to arbitrary numbers. the game was pretty much DESIGNED to make choices not matter (two of the three game modes take away dialogue options and most of the choices Shepard can make) And that's not even getting into the ending fiasco. the only thing it really has going for it is the modding system, that actually strikes a good balance between ME1 and ME2.
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Post by midnightwolf on Aug 20, 2022 21:49:09 GMT
Far away from everything Liara. And technically it's ME5.
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