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Post by Spectr61 on Sept 2, 2022 5:41:55 GMT
Emotionally bought in to what you think is "right"? Else why call others choices "dumb", and even worse, doubling down and calling the person that makes that choice "dumb" as well? Or, just cast aspersions on what you don't agree with........ Nice. Have I called a player's choice dumb? Or called a person dumb? If you believe that, you should be able to link post(s) of me saying that. When I say dumb, dumb, I'm calling the catalyst dumb, dumb. Ok, got it. The apostrophe between the dumbs changed th meaning for me instead of signifying a name. I agree the the Brat could correctly called dumb dumb, but calling him dumb, dumb threw me off. All good.
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Post by hulluliini on Sept 2, 2022 7:47:48 GMT
Have I called a player's choice dumb? Or called a person dumb? If you believe that, you should be able to link post(s) of me saying that. When I say dumb, dumb, I'm calling the catalyst dumb, dumb. Ok, got it. The apostrophe between the dumbs changed th meaning for me instead of signifying a name. I agree the the Brat could correctly called dumb dumb, but calling him dumb, dumb threw me off. All good. I don't get the comma either and it's so confusing I stopped trying to understand any posts of Mike's where he uses it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 20:35:38 GMT
Ok, fresh thought on OP question -
Shep returns! Fully voiced by original VAs!
They are the BBEG.
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This results from a thought experiment, what if devs chose non-Destroy ending, Control in particular, as the canon ending of ME3. Explains Liara's involvement - responsibility for the monster she helped create.
Ryder V Shep. Ryder wins, you decide how.
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Let the tomatoes fly!
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Post by Iakus on Sept 3, 2022 21:49:07 GMT
Ok, fresh thought on OP question - Shep returns! Fully voiced by original VAs! They are the BBEG. ... This results from a thought experiment, what if devs chose non-Destroy ending, Control in particular, as the canon ending of ME3. Explains Liara's involvement - responsibility for the monster she helped create. Ryder V Shep. Ryder wins, you decide how. ... Let the tomatoes fly! Well, that would probably go over even worse than the Refuse ending, that's for sure....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 22:05:10 GMT
I agree, and yet it has potential. It could be a total disaster as well, and first blush would probably be rejected out of disappointment by the hardcore fans of one or the other, which is almost all of us.
Implementation is everything. I think my thought experiment has an almost zero chance of happening, but it could be done well and actually tie up all the ME issues of the past, allowing the universe to actually move forward. Bonus points if Ryder dies/total protagonist reset for future games.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 4, 2022 0:36:54 GMT
I agree, and yet it has potential. It could be a total disaster as well, and first blush would probably be rejected out of disappointment by the hardcore fans of one or the other, which is almost all of us. Implementation is everything. I think my thought experiment has an almost zero chance of happening, but it could be done well and actually tie up all the ME issues of the past, allowing the universe to actually move forward. Bonus points if Ryder dies/total protagonist reset for future games. I think Deus Ex 2 did something like it. JC Denton is a potenial antagonist (or ally). Only one of the fice endings actually has you working together. All the ret require killing him.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 4, 2022 17:09:20 GMT
If Shepard comes back can I nominate the male starting companion that no gives a shit about? Major Coates please - he seemed very much alright.
Also bring back Javik.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 4, 2022 17:17:19 GMT
If Shepard comes back can I nominate the male starting companion that no gives a shit about? Major Coates please - he seemed very much alright. Also bring back Javik. Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 4, 2022 20:55:31 GMT
If Shepard comes back can I nominate the male starting companion that no gives a shit about? Major Coates please - he seemed very much alright. Also bring back Javik. Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
It was implied that after the final push he was going to find his crew graves and join them but consider this its been 50,000 years since then does he really know where to look? planets change.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2022 21:16:18 GMT
If Shepard comes back can I nominate the male starting companion that no gives a shit about? Major Coates please - he seemed very much alright. Also bring back Javik. Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
Javik only goes to commit suicide if he looks at the echo shard. If he doesn’t he has two future plans. If he and Liara made up, he plans to help her write about the Protheans. If they don’t, he plans to go to Kadje and rule over the Hanar.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 5, 2022 2:32:12 GMT
Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
It was implied that after the final push he was going to find his crew graves and join them but consider this its been 50,000 years since then does he really know where to look? planets change. True, but it wasn't implied. It's what he said he was going to do.
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Post by hulluliini on Sept 5, 2022 7:49:05 GMT
Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
Javik only goes to commit suicide if he looks at the echo shard. If he doesn’t he has two future plans. If he and Liara made up, he plans to help her write about the Protheans. If they don’t, he plans t o go to Kadje and rule over the Hanar.This is so hilarious, I never knew about this option!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 5, 2022 9:42:37 GMT
Javik only goes to commit suicide if he looks at the echo shard. If he doesn’t he has two future plans. If he and Liara made up, he plans to help her write about the Protheans. If they don’t, he plans t o go to Kadje and rule over the Hanar.This is so hilarious, I never knew about this option! Yeah. He talks about wanting to see a peaceful galaxy and then says “I think the Hanar would welcome me. I could live as a king among them.” And with him being a member of their gods, yeah he would definitely end up ruling Kahje.
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Post by winterking on Sept 5, 2022 9:47:53 GMT
If Shepard comes back can I nominate the male starting companion that no gives a shit about? Major Coates please - he seemed very much alright. Also bring back Javik. Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
In most of my playthroughs Javik goes on to write "Journeys with the Prothean" with Dr. T'Soni.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 5, 2022 11:15:53 GMT
In my playthroughs, Javik writes a book called Living with Primitives.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 6, 2022 4:12:25 GMT
In mine, he writes the Feminine Mystique.
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Post by hulluliini on Sept 8, 2022 7:29:22 GMT
Apart from ruining the original vision for what the Protheans were like (the Ilos statues), Javik is one of the best things in ME. Master troll.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 10, 2022 14:44:35 GMT
Apart from ruining the original vision for what the Protheans were like (the Ilos statues), Javik is one of the best things in ME. Master troll. Agreed on the Protheans changing appearance but I suppose doing so allows the players to truly see that there was a history beyond the Prothean cycle, beings even more ancient than them. I suspect that limitations in gameplay were why they were changed. Also, they were creepy as heck, but that could have been interesting in and of itself.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 10, 2022 22:25:32 GMT
Is Coates even an N7? I suppose it doesn't matter. He probably shot up through the ranks post-war since most everyone of a higher rank was dead.
Didn't Javik commit suicide? Or is there a way to avoid it. I feel like that's possible. Maybe if I don't make him hold the echo shard.
Javik only goes to commit suicide if he looks at the echo shard. If he doesn’t he has two future plans. If he and Liara made up, he plans to help her write about the Protheans. If they don’t, he plans to go to Kadje and rule over the Hanar. I didn't know that cause all my play throughs he looks at the shard.
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Post by NotN7 on Sept 10, 2022 22:31:39 GMT
It was implied that after the final push he was going to find his crew graves and join them but consider this its been 50,000 years since then does he really know where to look? planets change. True, but it wasn't implied. It's what he said he was going to do. Yeah you got me there old age kicked in thinking one thing wrote another.
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Post by hulluliini on Sept 12, 2022 7:41:19 GMT
Apart from ruining the original vision for what the Protheans were like (the Ilos statues), Javik is one of the best things in ME. Master troll. Agreed on the Protheans changing appearance but I suppose doing so allows the players to truly see that there was a history beyond the Prothean cycle, beings even more ancient than them. I suspect that limitations in gameplay were why they were changed. Also, they were creepy as heck, but that could have been interesting in and of itself. I thought the statues could have been artistic vision and the actual people quite humanoid, maybe with tentacles... I just never really liked the design of the collectors or Javik. Maybe because of the bug eyes.
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