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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 5, 2022 7:58:09 GMT
Think that;s maybe Andruil's "armor of the void" that she fought Mythal in dragon form as? Cus there's the elven myth about that and then there's also the Fereldan myth about some giant serpent fighting something near... Lake Calenhad, I think? Which I always assumed was another account of the same event.
Or this is void armor 2.0 *because* she lost to Mythal. With her thinking being: twice the snake, twice the odds. lol
Also, it doesn't escape that those tails look kinda sea serpent-ish. The one thing Ghilly kept were the sea monsters. Makes me wonder even more if something important is down there. The ocean is really one of the only places/environment concepts we haven't explored in the games yet.
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Post by isaidlunch on Dec 5, 2022 8:01:51 GMT
I find Solas and the ancient elves extremely interesting. Also, hot take apparently, but I wouldn't mind Varric as a companion again. I don't think he will be, but if he is, I won't complain. He's one of my favorite cast members. But what would they do with him? There’s nothing left of his character to explore. They could kill him off for drama I guess
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 5, 2022 8:03:00 GMT
Varric being dragged into ever increasing calamitous scenarios is funny, but they really need to either keep him far away from the '' inner circle '' of the next game or make him a fun character again that is not so damn depressing and wimpy all the time.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 8:23:09 GMT
Well i doubt this. If Bioware or EA wanted Ramon Tikaram to voice a teaser / trailer for promotion they would very likely get him. The fans also get him for this year Dragon Age Day. Not necessarily. It all would depend on his schedule and when they asked him to do it. The video would probably be done a while back, possibly when the first announced Alpha, because apparently that milestone is the cue to release funds for marketing. So, the team thought they would do a short promo to release in December for DA Day but this is not the main marketing, so if Ramon was busy, it was no big deal. Remember Ramon might well have had contractual obligations elsewhere that prevented him from doing so at that particular time. Then the fans got in touch with him more recently to see if he would contribute and he was happy to do so, because his schedule allowed it. Now I've seen biopics in magazine articles about Ramon where his VA work as Dorian is high on his list of achievements. That suggests that he is proud of his work on Dragon Age and so naturally would be only too happy to return to the role. What I am saying is that for an isolated piece of promotional work, that is not a main trailer, it may not have been possible to get him at short notice. It will be more interesting to see what happens when the first main trailer hits the screens. That could have Dorian as voice over, or it could have the VA of our new hero. The first trailer for DAI had Morrigan as the voiceover, with her even making an appearance at the end of it, but then switched to the Inquisitor for subsequent ones. Since Morrigan only joined us part way through the game and only joined us for a couple of quests, maybe it will be the same for Varric.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 8:27:49 GMT
This would be pretty bad and stupid if Dorian (who should have the most screentime of all returning NPCs who aren´t companions) had less to do than Varric. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. It was just another theory on my part. Despite saying we are returning to Tevinter, as the latest short story shows, there also seems to be a fair bit of focus on Antiva and the Crows, which may be reflected in the game. I'm sure we will see Dorian but maybe he won't have as much screen time as Varric, if they do decide to make the latter our main link to the Inquisition and he travels around to the various locations we visit, whilst Dorian remains in Tevinter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 8:40:31 GMT
Also, the wording! I does seem peculiar to me how Varric says: "But now he want ed to tear down the Vail and destroy the world. And we are the only ones who can stop him". Does Solas still want to destroy the veil? That is what I wondered about the grammar used. Why the past tense when referring to his aims? Unless it is referring back to the fact that he was going to do that with the orb. Having lost that, plan B might involve something different. For a start off, it requires a ritual that he has already started but elven magic can take years to accomplish. Even Corypheus mentioned something about us having interrupted a ritual "years in the making", so I theorised on a different thread that maybe it was an agent of Solas (or even Solas himself via the Fade) that suggested the ritual to him, the culmination of which would be to break open the orb and release its magic. Solas' original plan was to recover the orb, enter the Fade and tear down the Veil, so that came at the end of a long ritual. With the orb gone, the ritual might need to be even longer to get to the point where the final part can be enacted. 10 years isn't that long in the grand scheme of things, particularly when you remember that elves were once immortal, so to them 10 years was nothing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 8:52:47 GMT
Also, also, confirmation the golden city was a thing before Solas sealed them away? One more hint its actually Arlathan or w/e their capitol is? I tend to go by the fact that the Dalish call it the Eternal City and the home of their gods. I know other races and religions do too, but the elves did come first and the Dalish do also think it is where their gods were locked away, which would fit with this imagery. Whilst they may have got some things wrong about their gods, their racial memory of the events surrounding the imprisonment of the gods seem pretty much spot on. Fen'Harel was responsible and he did entrap them as a deliberate action out of spite against them (the Dalish just didn't know he had grounds for that spite). It now seems confirmed it was in the Golden/Eternal City as they maintain. ... Which still makes you wonder why it was perceived as golden by the magisters and everybody else, but maybe this supports the theory that the goldenness was an illusion by the old gods/whoever was whispering to the magisters? Whoever created the illusion, this does seem the most likely explanation. It may also come back to the collective belief concept when it comes to the Fade. If enough people believe that something should appear a certain way, then the illusion will be maintained. However, the Magisters breaking in, not only shattered the illusion, but allowed the corruption that had been contained within the structure to escape. There is also the possibility that it has a real-world counterpart (somewhere in the depths of the Deep Roads) and breaking into the Fade city, also broke the seals on the Deep Roads one, whilst Cory and Co were automatically transported there.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2022 9:55:26 GMT
This would be pretty bad and stupid if Dorian (who should have the most screentime of all returning NPCs who aren´t companions) had less to do than Varric. Hey, don't shoot the messenger. It was just another theory on my part. Despite saying we are returning to Tevinter, as the latest short story shows, there also seems to be a fair bit of focus on Antiva and the Crows, which may be reflected in the game. I'm sure we will see Dorian but maybe he won't have as much screen time as Varric, if they do decide to make the latter our main link to the Inquisition and he travels around to the various locations we visit, whilst Dorian remains in Tevinter. Every part of this sounds awful.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2022 9:56:03 GMT
But what would they do with him? There’s nothing left of his character to explore. They could kill him off for drama I guess Would prefer he not waste a companion spot yet again if they do that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 9:56:04 GMT
Also, it doesn't escape that those tails look kinda sea serpent-ish. The one thing Ghilly kept were the sea monsters. Makes me wonder even more if something important is down there. The ocean is really one of the only places/environment concepts we haven't explored in the games yet. It was implied that she couldn't even if she'd wanted to since they were "too well wrought" but in any case, Pride (has to be Solas because of the capital) stayed her hand. Maybe he has a special relationship with the creature because he saved her. However, I keep thinking back to the Executors who come from over the sea and are definitely in opposition to Solas, though not necessarily his plans. I think they are involved in all this in some way. It is possible that they were his allies once and he doubled crossed them, which is why they now have a big grudge against him. Maybe this sea monster was something they summoned. The Qun may also have knowledge about what it is. They also came from over the sea and presumably were fleeing something or someone. Otherwise, why did they leave? That's why we need to know more about their origins that I hope we are going to get this time round.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 10:07:32 GMT
Would prefer he not waste a companion spot yet again if they do that. Don't have to waste a slot to kill him off, just introduce him to us at some point and do enough that new players will appreciate the loss. I don't mind if they insist on bringing him back, so long as he makes some contribution that couldn't equally have been achieved by someone else. But what would they do with him? There’s nothing left of his character to explore. They could try giving us the scope to really piss him off. Without our PC appearing a complete asshole. That would at least make life interesting for those of us who really don't want to see him again. Otherwise, if they do force him on me as a companion, he is likely to be left standing on the side-lines as he was for me in DAI once I had someone else I could replace him with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2022 10:15:43 GMT
Would prefer he not waste a companion spot yet again if they do that. Don't have to waste a slot to kill him off, just introduce him to us at some point and do enough that new players will appreciate the loss. I don't mind if they insist on bringing him back, so long as he makes some contribution that couldn't equally have been achieved by someone else. But what would they do with him? There’s nothing left of his character to explore. They could try giving us the scope to really piss him off. Without our PC appearing a complete asshole. That would at least make life interesting for those of us who really don't want to see him again. Otherwise, if they do force him on me as a companion, he is likely to be left standing on the side-lines as he was for me in DAI once I had someone else I could replace him with. Sure. I’m thinking be doing that more since as I said elsewhere this trailer felt so much like Duncan’s opening narration. The conversation originated with him being a companion again, which is what I don’t want. Same here. Will once again just disagree and side against him in almost everything (the only exceptions being the obviously wrong choices) while he wastes a companion slot that could’ve been for a new interesting character.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 5, 2022 10:24:09 GMT
I don't think Varric will be a companion because they are trying to find someone Solas doesn't know. If Varric comes along with us, that would seem to defeat that whole premise. But I think he will recruit us and be a contact.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 5, 2022 10:35:29 GMT
It isn't obvious that Dorian is gay to a newcomer and it is hardly controversial to those familiar with DAI. More likely is that his VA was unavailable even if they wanted to use Dorian for promotion, so they went with Varric instead. Unless, of course, Dorian does not play such a role in the game as Varric. I don't see that. This remind me to much of DAOs beginning voiced by Duncan.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 11:26:26 GMT
I don't see that. This remind me to much of DAOs beginning voiced by Duncan. I have to admit that it reminded me a lot of the introduction to DAO but I was hoping that it didn't point to anything significant about Varric's inclusion in the game. Still, Duncan was never a companion, only a quest giver who furthered the plot, which I would be okay with for Varric.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 5, 2022 11:39:31 GMT
More likely is that his VA was unavailable even if they wanted to use Dorian for promotion, so they went with Varric instead. Well i doubt this. If Bioware or EA wanted Ramon Tikaram to voice a teaser / trailer for promotion they would very likely get him. He voiced half of Greedfall (other half was Blackwall), so I am guessing he isn't too expensive for Bioware. A side note - he was so good and menacing in his little role in the second season of "The Great". It took me a bit to place that voice.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 5, 2022 12:18:02 GMT
So now that "we" decided that Varric was the new Duncan, does it means that after he recruit us, he gets killed at the end of the prologue? Also, if the gargantuan Elven god monsters is in fact one of the Evanuris, doesn't that means tha Solas succeeded in destroying the Veil by that point...
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 13:37:40 GMT
He voiced half of Greedfall (other half was Blackwall), so I am guessing he isn't too expensive for Bioware. I wasn't implying they couldn't afford him. I've also mentioned that he seems very proud of his performance as Dorian as he lists it high on his resume. It is simply that he is an actor in much demand and may simply not have been available at the time the video was made because he had other contractual obligations. Since it was only a short fan appeasement trailer, they could be flexible about who they used. Varric currently seems the go to voiceover. Considering he is also going to star in the latest comic series, it is hardly surprising that they chose to use him. It is after all, briefing newcomers about the Dread Wolf and that ties into the comic series as well.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 5, 2022 13:40:58 GMT
Also, if the gargantuan Elven god monsters is in fact one of the Evanuris, doesn't that means tha Solas succeeded in destroying the Veil by that point.. That was only concept art that may not have made it into the final version. Anyway, we'll probably have a clearer idea of where things are going to start after the comic series in January.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 5, 2022 13:43:05 GMT
So now that "we" decided that Varric was the new Duncan, does it means that after he recruit us, he gets killed at the end of the prologue? Also, if the gargantuan Elven god monsters is in fact one of the Evanuris, doesn't that means tha Solas succeeded in destroying the Veil by that point... Maybe? On both counts. We don't know where that scene is. It could be in the Fade, or the black city, or whatever city tamlen saw in Merrill's eluvian, or somewhere else that doesn't require the veil to be gone to exist. Andruil (or whoever) might be able to extend themselves outside the city, even with the veil still up, especially if she has outside help. I do not want Varric to die, for the record. Very against that.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 5, 2022 15:08:33 GMT
So now that "we" decided that Varric was the new Duncan, does it means that after he recruit us, he gets killed at the end of the prologue? Varric dies only when he writes it in the story himself! Which reminds me - hopefully Bioware doesn't change too much stuff upon release. I like this cinematic as a possible starting point. I still can't forgive how Bioware changed some Cassandra lines between the DA2 demo and the released game. Like when Varric says "You are not afraid I will make it up?". In the demo her answer was a pleading, concerned and a bit scared "Will you?", while in the release it is a quite confident "Not. At. All!".
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Post by LonerAngel on Dec 5, 2022 15:10:17 GMT
Ever since the devs said Varric was supposed to die in Exalted March I've been paranoid he will die in DA:D. I like Varric. I wouldn't mind running into him or even working for him in the next game, but I doubt he will be a companion.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Dec 5, 2022 15:12:41 GMT
I've seen some disappointment around the internet about this teaser and that it might not mean we're as close as we thought we were to DAD. I am not so ready to be disappointed. Beta usually does not last as long as Alpha. So I still think Fall 2023 is realistic.
Here's another thought: What if they do not show anything at the game awards and we all go bummer for a number of hours until the trailer does show up but after the last episode of the Netflix show. If the Netflix show ties in with the plot of DAD then it would kind of make sense for them to drop a trailer at the end of that show would it not?
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 5, 2022 15:33:56 GMT
I've seen some disappointment around the internet about this teaser and that it might not mean we're as close as we thought we were to DAD. I am not so ready to be disappointed. Beta usually does not last as long as Alpha. So I still think Fall 2023 is realistic. Here's another thought: What if they do not show anything at the game awards and we all go bummer for a number of hours until the trailer does show up but after the last episode of the Netflix show. If the Netflix show ties in with the plot of DAD then it would kind of make sense for them to drop a trailer at the end of that show would it not? Sounds like wasting a really important promo slot on something only fans will most likely check out. Unless the animated series is exceptionally well received (which is unlikely, many animated series about video game series come and go without making much or any noise), sounds like bad business. They are most likely going to wait for summer game fest when excitement for new games and reveals is at an all time high.
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Post by General Mahad on Dec 5, 2022 15:33:57 GMT
Say, the 7 symbols that show up as Varric talks about the creation of the Veil... 2 of them look quite similar to the heads of the two figures that appeared in the 2020 mural, don't they? The center one and the rightmost one. There are also seven gates in the Black City that are prophesied to shatter and spill darkness throughout the physical and spiritual world.
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