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Post by Reznore on Dec 7, 2022 10:36:34 GMT
And here i disagree. Solas is the body and Fen'Harel is the wolf. They show them alway separated. I think it is the same like Flemeth/mythal and Anders/Justice. One is the Body the other is a kind of spirit. you are right Solas and mythal are old friends, but what is with Fen'Harel.
"Solas was first Fen'Harel came later."
I think Solas ment first he was a random joe before he became known as a god. For me the Solas/Dread Wolf separation is just a case of the man and the god. Elven gods were just ancient elves, just really good at magic and ancient kings/emperors etc... They created god personas for themselves. Solas did not pick his own symbols, he was called a trickster god by his ennemies, I also doubt he himself claimed godhood like the others. So in a sense he was forced into a role.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 7, 2022 10:58:33 GMT
The Taint looks like it's emitting from The Black City as twisted branches A similar looking blackness is shown in connection with the Dread Wolf aspect in the trailer. Now he maintains he only adopted the persona of the Dread Wolf after Mythal's death, so the darkness could be connected with that. Mythal was renowned for her cities, so I've always thought that the Golden (Eternal) City was perhaps the culmination of her work, particularly if it was originally connected with the earthly city of Arlathan. I've wondered if when Mythal fought Andruil and "sapped her knowledge" of the way to the Void, she also absorbed the taint that Andruil seemed to have brought back with her and was able to neutralise it in some way or at least contain it. Then when she was killed, it was released, infecting her city. The other thing I wonder about the golden disc above the city. Could it be representative of Mythal who has survived to the present and is not corrupted, even though her city is?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 7, 2022 11:18:42 GMT
I think Solas ment first he was a random joe before he became known as a god. More a case that Solas preceded the Dread Wolf in terms of how he was known. He was also denying that there was any sort of co-habitation by a spirit in a mortal body, like Flemeth/Mythal, Anders/Justice, or Wynne/Faith Spirit. Have you read Tevinter Nights? In one of the stories there, Rasaan maintains that Solas was a name he took as a "self-styled martyr", but it is not his true name. We have discussed this elsewhere. Whilst the Qunari do have a thing about names, the fact is that the ancient elves did also take names according to their role, as evidenced by Abelas. He said he changed his name on entering Mythal's service and changed it again on her death, to reflect his role as a mourner. Solas also tells him he hopes he finds a new name (purpose) on leaving the Temple. So, rather than thinking Rasaan's assertion just reflects Qun philosophy, it might be better to consider where the Qun acquired their ideas for giving and changing names according to their role in society. Since Rasaan is a high-ranking member of the priesthood, she must be familiar with their history and thus the Qun may actually be working to more than guesswork with Solas. As for the Dread Wolf, he says he adopted this deliberately as a means of terrifying his enemies, after it was originally given by them as an insult. He also says how that it came to obscure his true self, because that is how people increasingly perceived him. This is probably why the Dread Wolf persona is so strong in the Fade, because it reflects how the majority of those living now remember him. It could be part of the reason he resents the Dalish, not just because they don't remember the history of his rebellion (although apparently there is a folktale that does remember a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants), but because their memory of him strengthens the Dread Wolf aspect of his psyche. I think this is why he said to Lavellan that he did not want her to see what he would become. In order to realise his plan, he is going to have to fully subsume himself to the Dread Wolf. I am fully convinced that at some point we are going to have to confront the Dread Wolf in the Fade, in order to defeat it, thus either slaying or freeing Solas from it, according to the intent of the PC. It is also possible that knowing his true name, in other words what he was prior to entering Mythal's service, may assist in breaking its hold over him.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 7, 2022 12:26:11 GMT
Saw this trailer yesterday. Got off on a tangent(s) in another thread with a few others and posted my thoughts there: bsn.boards.net/thread/19904/territories-evanurisSeems that lineup of headdresses may support an Elgar'nan-Lusacan connection, plus a few other things. Another thing I noticed looking at screencaps in here is branches (possibly) being used as symbolism. In the newest cover art for the next DA soundtrack, the wings of the dragon ('The Sun'/The 8th Old God?) near the royal palace(?) of the Golden City are covered in shrubbery and branches. The Taint looks like it's emitting from The Black City as twisted branches. Thorny branches have been used to depict the taint moving from the Golden/Black City since DAO intro cinematic. It's a video worth looking back to, it was hinting at so many things...
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Dec 7, 2022 21:23:53 GMT
The one found in the Shattered Library? if so, how do we know it was done before the Veil? Yes exactly! The reason I think it was created before Solas raised the veil is because the structure is damaged, and we know that the Shattered Library became "shattered" once the veil was raised. So either Solas painted on a partially destroyed wall for whatever reason, or he painted it on the complete wall before the veil destroyed it. Obviously I am leaning toward the latter, even though it's perplexing to me. For fun, let's say he did paint that mural before the veil was raised. 3 golden discs before the veil was raised. 2 after Trespasser's events. What immediately comes to mind to me is Solas' orb breaking between then. So maybe the final golden discs represent the last Foci, or at least, the last of the powerful Foci that has stored magical energy since probably the dawn of The Golden City and the beginning of Elvhenan? So, perhaps the Old Gods and The Evanuris are holding the veil together in the way they were sealed, but it is The Foci that is holding the actual world together and what Solas wanted to prevent the Evanuris from destroying (kind of ironic that Solas ended up destroying one on his own lol.) It may not be Foci itself, it could even represent Titans, as we know they connect.
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Post by dayze on Dec 7, 2022 23:00:00 GMT
The dread wold is Solas. It's his elven god name. Fen'Harel. Solas is not good, no ancient elven gods were good. They had high magic and were really good at that, but they were brutal and harsh. Closer to Tevinter than Southern Thedas. Solas dislike slavery and is anti establishment, sounds nice on paper, but he thinks powerful mages shouldn't be held back and if they abuse their power somehow someone will appear and kill them and problem solved. Basically he wants a magical far west that only works great in his egghead. Flemythal and Solas were "old friend" the kind that went through some painful stuff, but they are ancient elven gods so Solas backstabbed his cherished Mythal for the greater good. And Mythal prepared a secret plan B because she saw it coming from a mile away. And here i disagree. Solas is the body and Fen'Harel is the wolf. They show them alway separated. I think it is the same like Flemeth/mythal and Anders/Justice. One is the Body the other is a kind of spirit. you are right Solas and mythal are old friends, but what is with Fen'Harel.
"Solas was first Fen'Harel came later."
Yeah it might be some kind of "Lady of the Forest" bit. The Dread Wolf is Witherfang Solas is the Elf wizard that did the ceremony that linked them and made him immortal But that just leaves.....who is the "Lady of The Forest"? Maybe the first brood mother?
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Post by catcher on Dec 8, 2022 3:27:50 GMT
The one found in the Shattered Library? if so, how do we know it was done before the Veil? Yes exactly! The reason I think it was created before Solas raised the veil is because the structure is damaged, and we know that the Shattered Library became "shattered" once the veil was raised. So either Solas painted on a partially destroyed wall for whatever reason, or he painted it on the complete wall before the veil destroyed it. Obviously I am leaning toward the latter, even though it's perplexing to me. For fun, let's say he did paint that mural before the veil was raised. 3 golden discs before the veil was raised. 2 after Trespasser's events. What immediately comes to mind to me is Solas' orb breaking between then. So maybe the final golden discs represent the last Foci, or at least, the last of the powerful Foci that has stored magical energy since probably the dawn of The Golden City and the beginning of Elvhenan? So, perhaps the Old Gods and The Evanuris are holding the veil together in the way they were sealed, but it is The Foci that is holding the actual world together and what Solas wanted to prevent the Evanuris from destroying (kind of ironic that Solas ended up destroying one on his own lol.) It may not be Foci itself, it could even represent Titans, as we know they connect. Thinking about it a little deeper, it makes the most sense that the murals were painted before the Veil went up. Here's the evidence. First, the area is called Scholar's Retreat. That suggests both deep study and isolation from prying eyes. Those qualities would be needed by Fen'Harel as he prepared the construction of the Veil. Second, there are actually two copies of the same mural on adjoining walls. The level designer definitely wanted us to notice this mural so I think of it as a blueprint for the Veil. Third, you find Qunari notes on a table in thie room. The Qunari were researching how to strengthen the Veil. What better place to do so than in the study of its creator? That being said, there's some interesting similarities and differences between this mural, the one with the Red Lyrium 'Idol', and the one in the DA Day release. All three have a black-and-white dashed circle that seems to represent the Veil that seemingly contains a threatening object. Each also has seven spheres on the outside of that containment hinting that they are needed to maintain that circle. Notice, they are on the outside of the circle, not inside. Only the most recent has the seven symbols that are probably the symbols for the Evanuris. I don't think the Evanuris are trapped inside the Veil. I think they ARE the Veil. Notice that the painting at the center of the Shattered Library mural looks nothing like any symbols of the Evanuris. To me, it looks kind of like the Nightmare Demon but I don't think it is that simple. there's several other things about each mural but its late for me right now and I want to dig in a little deeper so my thoughts make more sense. (That'll be a first! ) Thanks for your time.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2022 8:17:56 GMT
And here i disagree. Solas is the body and Fen'Harel is the wolf. They show them alway separated. I think it is the same like Flemeth/mythal and Anders/Justice. Yeah it might be some kind of "Lady of the Forest" bit. Solas' relation to the Dread Wolf is like the Lady to Witherfang but that is not the same as Anders/Justice or Flemeth/Mythal. With the latter there are two separate souls/spirits that have united. Flemeth maintains this cannot happen without the consent of the host, which in the case of Anders and Flemeth was true, although I'm not sure how dead Wynne gave her consent to her spirit but perhaps that was different. The Lady of the Forest/Witherfang was one spirit exhibiting two aspects of itself. She quite clearly states that she was a spirit of nature, not called out of the Fade, and she embodies both the benign and the violent aspects of nature. What the curse did was split these two aspects between the Lady and Witherfang and she can choose which she wishes to display. This also appears true of Solas, except it is a case of how he appears in the Fade, which is probably his true home. There, at least in DAI, he appeared able to choose whether he manifested there as Solas or the Dread Wolf but it is possible that the Dread Wolf aspect is becoming stronger at the expense of the other aspect and this has now spilled over into the Waking World, so whilst he still looks like an elf, his character is becoming darker, hence the change in costume to represent this. The humble wanderer has been subsumed as he warned Lavellan would be the case. It is like the native American legend of the two wolves, one the embodiment of all positive traits, the other the embodiment of all the negative ones, constantly warring for dominance, and the one that wins is the one you feed. Solas has been feeding the Dread Wolf.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2022 8:45:01 GMT
For fun, let's say he did paint that mural before the veil was raised. 3 golden discs before the veil was raised. 2 after Trespasser's events. What immediately comes to mind to me is Solas' orb breaking between then. This is an interesting theory because in the mural with the 3 discs, Solas is shown holding a disc aloft, which we usually take to be his orb. Using a number of foci to channel the magic needed to create and maintain the Veil would make sense. The odd part though is why were some already dimmed before the Veil? Of course, if the orbs belonged to his co-conspirators, perhaps that just indicated that four of them were already dead, or alternatively that their power was already being utilised. Only the most recent has the seven symbols that are probably the symbols for the Evanuris. I don't think the Evanuris are trapped inside the Veil. I think they ARE the Veil. This is also an interesting theory. I certainly think they are trapped outside of either the Black City or the Fade, in some alternate dimension, which could be the Veil itself. Whatever the case, he didn't deny that destroying the Veil would free them. There is something odd about the Black City though. Back in DAO, the codex said even the strongest demons avoided it. Is this because they were forbidden from entering by the Evanuris and they fear the consequences of ignoring this prohibition, even though the Evanuris aren't around to enforce it? Now the cinematic seems to show the Veil trapped the Darkness/Blight within the city, although for several millennia it must still have appeared golden to those viewing it from their dreams but I have suggested previously that this is because it was what they expected to see. Clearly, the Evanuris are not trapped inside the city or Cory breaking in would have freed them, so why did the voice in his head, which he took to be Dumat, urge him to do this? Why does the song of the Old Gods attract darkspawn? Why did they stop speaking through the dreams of their priesthood after the Black City had been revealed?
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Post by Reznore on Dec 8, 2022 10:35:09 GMT
Cory breaking in caused the Blights, as in darkspawn started to dig for old gods, they infected the sleeping old dragons with the Blight and then they woke up. I'm not quite sure what the nature of the dragons are ... but it's very possible what possessed those are the ancient elven gods. As for the song being a mindcontrol device, well ancient elves were already into that kind of things : wells of sorrow. It's possible the ancient elven gods found the blight and find it much easier to use to gain total control over the populace than a device like the well. Maybe that's what caused the rift between Mythal and the other gods. And once the city has been breached and the old gods found a way out, no point baiting Tevinter folks anymore.
I wonder if the wardens slaying archdemons really destroyed the old gods though, because Mythal was able to survive her murder.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 8, 2022 14:08:57 GMT
I think Red lyrium is how the taint first appeared: the angry and mad blood of a Pillar of the Earth. The Ancient Elves tried to keep it trapped underground and they blamed Mythal and the gods for it being unleashed. That could mean that The Golden City was/is inside a Titan, which would make it look like it's floating over the clouds with some floating rocks in memories. It could also be that everyone was banned to going back there ever (but Andruil did, a few times, until Mythal mindwiped her).
I think the "old gods" dragons were part of the magical lock to contains the Red Lyrium inside the city. After that, Solas either used them to trap the Enavuris or they are using them via the taint to escape their actual prison. The "weapon to win the war" used to lure them being the Red Lyrium makes sense to me too. "Yeah, guys you remember that super duper Red Lyrium we used to have, I know how to get some...oh, it's a trap!".
Also, I think that Mythal's revenge plan use the Taint/Blight. Remember in DAO when you get the grimoire from her body and give it to Morrigan, she start to wonder if Flemeth isn't responsible for the Blight. I doubt the dark ritual was only offered in one Blight too. And someone lured Bertrand to that Thaig on purpose (way too many hints in DA2 about it). And since I'm still convinced that Solas is behind her original murder despite what her followers claim in DAI (he's clearly the murderer of Flemythal in DAI), I'm pretty sure her revenge plan is to screw over Solas (and everyone else in the process).
It would also explain why Solas referring to the Primeval Idol has his idol in the short story. Despite it being found in a dwarven Thaig, surrounded by crazy sign of Tevinter-like dragon worship, weak Veil and lots of demons hanging around. Also, it makes everyone who hold into it for a while totally utterly crazy...but Solas being total Hubris, doesn't think he can go loco like Andruil did. You know, he's so good at everything magic related compared to those bozo humans and not-my-elves Dalish. Anyway, Solas had that idol made before the city was closed off or he brought a little silver of it with him. As a souvenir you know. Like Varric did.
The Chantry teaches us that it is Hubris which brought the darkspawn into our world...
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Post by dayze on Dec 8, 2022 20:27:15 GMT
Interesting bit about Hubris being that which brought darkspawn into the world, considering there is an actual Pride-Demon named Hubris.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 8, 2022 20:50:06 GMT
Interesting bit about Hubris being that which brought darkspawn into the world, considering there is an actual Pride-Demon named Hubris. I changed the quote a bit, in the original it is "hubris of man", but it was always interesting that there was a Pride demon called Hubris or that pride (solas in elven) was involved in some way. I always took it to have double meaning.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2022 20:51:38 GMT
Cory breaking in caused the Blights, as in darkspawn started to dig for old gods, they infected the sleeping old dragons with the Blight and then they woke upThis is what the Chantry teach, not necessarily what happened. Since the Grey Wardens can sense where the Old Gods are located, that suggests to me that they must already be tainted before the darkspawn reach them. Since the song guides them in, I wonder if it is deliberate and the reason the Old Gods stopped speaking through the Fade is that they no longer needed them, having achieved the goal of breaking whatever hold was on them by breaching the Black City. So, they switched to singing to the darkspawn to come and dig them out. Actually, that is another anomaly that was raised in the Core Rule Book and suggests the darkspawn were already down there, possibly also sealed away, because the timeline from the Magisters breaking in until the first Arch-demon arose was less than a year. In that time, the Magisters had to steal the women of various races and turn them into broodmothers, or started with only Hurlocks, produce enough to do the digging, locate Dumat and free him and then the Blight could start. Within a short space of time, all the dwarven thaigs were overrun too before the Arch-demon headed for the surface. Not to mention the fact that no one was aware of the intelligent darkspawn until after Dumat had been killed. So what were the Magisters doing for 200 years? It seems more likely they were wandering around the Deep Roads with amnesia whilst Dumat was doing his own thing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2022 21:05:20 GMT
I wonder if the wardens slaying archdemons really destroyed the old gods though, because Mythal was able to survive her murder. It depends on the nature of the god. However, even if the Old Gods were only spirits drawn into a mortal vessel, like Hakkon, killing the dragon merely allowed it to return to the Fade. This does also seem what happened with Mythal. Odd though that the other gods didn't anticipate this. Solas implied he didn't try killing the other Evanuris because he knew it wouldn't be permanent, so why get all hung up on her murder? Surely, he would have done better to seek her out in the Fade? So, I think Solas was fibbing and the real reason he didn't go for a direct attack is because they were too powerful (and would be expecting him to do this). Thus, he opted for collective entrapment instead. It is possible that death via Grey Warden does something to their memory, so the Old God returns to the Fade but doesn't remember their former identity and that is why the Wardens assumed it destroyed them. However, Flemeth also says that OG in Kieran was "snatched from the jaws of darkness", so either that means they would have died permanently or instead of travelling to the Fade, the taint meant the soul would have gone to the Void (or wherever the blight magic has its origins). Now either she wanted to save them from this fate, as she does seem to oppose the spread of the Blight, or she wanted to prevent this bit of soul joining up with the rest (assuming the dragon was a split soul vessel like Corypheus') and the rest of the god is in the Void.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 8, 2022 21:16:47 GMT
The Chantry teaches us that it is Hubris which brought the darkspawn into our world... The Chantry teach a lot of things that don't square with what we now know of the ancient world. After all, their precious Maker didn't even mention elves, or dwarves, or Titans or that there was once no Veil between the Unchanging World and the Fade. Unless, of course, those bits got edited out by Drakon's first Divine, who was responsible for collecting together the oral traditions into written form. They also teach that the Golden City was transformed after the Magisters invaded it, whereas Corypheus maintained, as seems confirmed by this latest video, that it was already black within when they got there and there was no Maker to greet them on arrival, only "dead whispers" and an "empty throne". So, I don't think Chantry teaching can really be relied upon when forming theories about the origins of the blight. The dwarves always maintained it was nonsense.
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Post by catcher on Dec 9, 2022 2:40:18 GMT
Only the most recent has the seven symbols that are probably the symbols for the Evanuris. I don't think the Evanuris are trapped inside the Veil. I think they ARE the Veil. This is also an interesting theory. I certainly think they are trapped outside of either the Black City or the Fade, in some alternate dimension, which could be the Veil itself. Whatever the case, he didn't deny that destroying the Veil would free them. There is something odd about the Black City though. Back in DAO, the codex said even the strongest demons avoided it. Is this because they were forbidden from entering by the Evanuris and they fear the consequences of ignoring this prohibition, even though the Evanuris aren't around to enforce it? Now the cinematic seems to show the Veil trapped the Darkness/Blight within the city, although for several millennia it must still have appeared golden to those viewing it from their dreams but I have suggested previously that this is because it was what they expected to see. Clearly, the Evanuris are not trapped inside the city or Cory breaking in would have freed them, so why did the voice in his head, which he took to be Dumat, urge him to do this? Why does the song of the Old Gods attract darkspawn? Why did they stop speaking through the dreams of their priesthood after the Black City had been revealed? Jeez, not asking for much are you? The central black and red structure on the Shattered Library still intrigues me so I had a quick in-game look at some of the murals in Skyhold. One thing I noticed is that the Black City appears in both the one depicting the creation of the Breach and in the panel depicting the area of the Fade you visit during Here Lies the Abyss. So why wasn't it present in the mural in the Shattered Library? Or why wasn't the Golden City present if it was there? The only answer I can come up with is that the City wasn't there at that time. There was something dark and malevolent though in that mural which brings up the second thing I noticed in those murals. Eyes. Eyes all around the Black City in the first panel. Eyes around the Black City in the HLTA section as well. I also seem to remember eyes appear all over the 'office' that the Envy Demon imitating Lucius in Champions of the Just. My own theory, backed by this and some other things I'll follow with, is that the Evanuris while exploiting the titan(s) they killed, unleashed the 'Big Kahouna' of all Nightmares. Beyond the depiction of the eyes associated with the Fade in Inquisition, there's more. In the Nightmare's Realm in HLTA, we get all sorts of information about Corys past, many stories about Darkspawn, that creepy poem etched in Red Lyrium, and loads of those Claws of Dumat altars everywhere. All those items link to the rot that seems to be at the heart of Thedas since the First Blight. Solas notes as we are going through the Nightmare's Realm that powerful demons can create their own fiefdoms in the Fade. I believe Niall back in Origins said something similar. That could explain why powerful demons might avoid the Black City, an area that is now home to the worst of their kind. Then there's the Elvish that the Nightmare taunts Solas with in the Fade. Assuming the Wiki is correct: "I know you, trickster. That was no victory. Your pride will be your death." The phrase 'that was no victory' is a piece I didn't realize was part of this puzzle until recently. It seems to refer to something personal Solas did in the past, like maybe sealing of the Nightmare (or maybe an even greater one) from the rest of the world by the Veil? The Nightmare imitated the Calling to the Wardens of southern Thedas. Why not the silence, then whispers of the Old Gods to lure a group of desperate magisters into a trap that could let its tool of destruction escape the cage: the Red Lyrium Idol. Perhaps even the Nightmare was what had been whispering to them the whole time. Of course, all, some, or none of this could be correct, but lets just say I'm not buying any lottery tickets. Maybe when i figure out how to fit the Bulbous one into this theory...
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Post by Catilina on Dec 9, 2022 14:25:42 GMT
I think Solas ment first he was a random joe before he became known as a god. More a case that Solas preceded the Dread Wolf in terms of how he was known. He was also denying that there was any sort of co-habitation by a spirit in a mortal body, like Flemeth/Mythal, Anders/Justice, or Wynne/Faith Spirit. Have you read Tevinter Nights? In one of the stories there, Rasaan maintains that Solas was a name he took as a "self-styled martyr", but it is not his true name. We have discussed this elsewhere. Whilst the Qunari do have a thing about names, the fact is that the ancient elves did also take names according to their role, as evidenced by Abelas. He said he changed his name on entering Mythal's service and changed it again on her death, to reflect his role as a mourner. Solas also tells him he hopes he finds a new name (purpose) on leaving the Temple. So, rather than thinking Rasaan's assertion just reflects Qun philosophy, it might be better to consider where the Qun acquired their ideas for giving and changing names according to their role in society. Since Rasaan is a high-ranking member of the priesthood, she must be familiar with their history and thus the Qun may actually be working to more than guesswork with Solas. As for the Dread Wolf, he says he adopted this deliberately as a means of terrifying his enemies, after it was originally given by them as an insult. He also says how that it came to obscure his true self, because that is how people increasingly perceived him. This is probably why the Dread Wolf persona is so strong in the Fade, because it reflects how the majority of those living now remember him. It could be part of the reason he resents the Dalish, not just because they don't remember the history of his rebellion (although apparently there is a folktale that does remember a trickster warrior who fought against tyrants), but because their memory of him strengthens the Dread Wolf aspect of his psyche. I think this is why he said to Lavellan that he did not want her to see what he would become. In order to realise his plan, he is going to have to fully subsume himself to the Dread Wolf. I am fully convinced that at some point we are going to have to confront the Dread Wolf in the Fade, in order to defeat it, thus either slaying or freeing Solas from it, according to the intent of the PC. It is also possible that knowing his true name, in other words what he was prior to entering Mythal's service, may assist in breaking its hold over him. It's more like as the Spirits name themselves about their purpose, than the Qunari's method, I suppose.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2022 19:39:04 GMT
Since we don't really have a DAD spoilery-speculation thread and this one basically turned into that. After watching Absolution, I think I got a good idea why Varric is being used as the "introduction" character again. Well beside him being the less quantum option available. When they showed the tapestry 2 years ago with a big Dreadwolf head and 4 other characters, we all thoughts it was showing the previous two games bad guys with DAD new antagonists, but...(Absolution spoilers) Looks like this might have been wrong. Since Meredith is still "alive" in Kirkwall and she has plans...
Shits is about to go down in Kirkwall again. Also, some Red Templars issues it looks like.
But I'm thinking the tapestry might be showing who we might have to team up with to deal with the Dreadwolf and his "friends". Since both Meredith and Corypheus are show looking at the Dreadwolf in attack stance.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 9, 2022 20:26:22 GMT
Since we don't really have a DAD spoilery-speculation thread and this one basically turned into that. After watching Absolution, I think I got a good idea why Varric is being used as the "introduction" character again. Well beside him being the less quantum option available. When they showed the tapestry 2 years ago with a big Dreadwolf head and 4 other characters, we all thoughts it was showing the previous two games bad guys with DAD new antagonists, but...(Absolution spoilers) Looks like this might have been wrong. Since Meredith is still "alive" in Kirkwall and she has plans...
Shits is about to go down in Kirkwall again. Also, some Red Templars issues it looks like.
But I'm thinking the tapestry might be showing who we might have to team up with to deal with the Dreadwolf and his "friends". Since both Meredith and Corypheus are show looking at the Dreadwolf in attack stance. ... ok well I definitely have to go watch absolution now. Cus I need to understand that. MEREDITH IS ALIVE?!
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2022 20:52:32 GMT
Since we don't really have a DAD spoilery-speculation thread and this one basically turned into that. After watching Absolution, I think I got a good idea why Varric is being used as the "introduction" character again. Well beside him being the less quantum option available. When they showed the tapestry 2 years ago with a big Dreadwolf head and 4 other characters, we all thoughts it was showing the previous two games bad guys with DAD new antagonists, but...(Absolution spoilers) Looks like this might have been wrong. Since Meredith is still "alive" in Kirkwall and she has plans...
Shits is about to go down in Kirkwall again. Also, some Red Templars issues it looks like.
But I'm thinking the tapestry might be showing who we might have to team up with to deal with the Dreadwolf and his "friends". Since both Meredith and Corypheus are show looking at the Dreadwolf in attack stance. ... ok well I definitely have to go watch absolution now. Cus I need to understand that. MEREDITH IS ALIVE?! Just so you know, it doesn't explained how she is "alive" and you only see and hear her in the last few seconds of the series.
It's basically the sequel teaser, but it's really hard to know if the sequel is meant to be another anime series or DAD.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 9, 2022 21:08:56 GMT
... ok well I definitely have to go watch absolution now. Cus I need to understand that. MEREDITH IS ALIVE?! Just so you know, it doesn't explained how she is "alive" and you only see and hear her in the last few seconds of the series.
It's basically the sequel teaser, but it's really hard to know if the sequel is meant to be another anime series or DAD.
Ah. What is it with her VA and being a disembodied ominous voice that will want you to kill stuff? I'm getting Meridia PTSD flashbacks. lol "AnOthER hANd ToucHES tHe BEACON."
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 9, 2022 21:23:29 GMT
I am somewhat unsure on whether I want juiced-up Meredith to show up in Dreadwolf, or have her stick to the scope of the show (assuming a second season is actually in the works).
I have something of a theory that Dreadwolf's combat is gonna be very different from previous games, and if it does turn out to be the case... man, giga-empowered Meredith would be just the kind of boss scenario I'd want to see.
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Post by Reznore on Dec 9, 2022 21:37:03 GMT
I don't remember what happened to the red lyrium idol ? Like Meredith turned it into a sword and the statue still had the sword ?
I'm not sure I like where this is going, like if the Red Lyrium Idol is still plot relevant does that mean Meredith is tied to the Solas plot?
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2022 21:42:01 GMT
I don't remember what happened to the red lyrium idol ? Like Meredith turned it into a sword and the statue still had the sword ?
I'm not sure I like where this is going, like if the Red Lyrium Idol is still plot relevant does that mean Meredith is tied to the Solas plot?
Tevinter Night gives some info there Meredith turned the idol into a sword and at the end of DA2, she turned into a Red Lyrium statue holding the Sword/idol. She was left in the Gallows courtyard and the place was closed off.
The sword/idol was eventually stolen post DAI (off screen) and Solas ended up putting his hand on it and turning it into a dagger in one of Tevinter Night short stories.
And yes, that means it is possible Meredith is tied to Solas's plot. She might even still be under the influence of the idol.
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