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Post by The Elder King on Dec 9, 2022 22:57:15 GMT
I am somewhat unsure on whether I want juiced-up Meredith to show up in Dreadwolf, or have her stick to the scope of the show (assuming a second season is actually in the works).
I have something of a theory that Dreadwolf's combat is gonna be very different from previous games, and if it does turn out to be the case... man, giga-empowered Meredith would be just the kind of boss scenario I'd want to see. For your information, a person on the resetera's thread about the alpha milestone mentioned that he beta-tested the game and that it was more action-based, I think mentioning God of War as a comparison.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Dec 9, 2022 22:59:55 GMT
I don't remember what happened to the red lyrium idol ? Like Meredith turned it into a sword and the statue still had the sword ?
I'm not sure I like where this is going, like if the Red Lyrium Idol is still plot relevant does that mean Meredith is tied to the Solas plot?
Tevinter Night gives some info there Meredith turned the idol into a sword and at the end of DA2, she turned into a Red Lyrium statue holding the Sword/idol. She was left in the Gallows courtyard and the place was closed off.
The sword/idol was eventually stolen post DAI (off screen) and Solas ended up putting his hand on it and turning it into a dagger in one of Tevinter Night short stories.
And yes, that means it is possible Meredith is tied to Solas's plot. She might even still be under the influence of the idol. Could have sworn they had to dig inside of her to find the idol and her red lyrium body crumbled around it. Per the dwarf in the last story, not Solas. So she shouldn't be intact?
This made no sense with her statue being int eh black emporium regardless, but I just thought that was supposed to be an easter egg.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2022 23:26:50 GMT
Tevinter Night gives some info there Meredith turned the idol into a sword and at the end of DA2, she turned into a Red Lyrium statue holding the Sword/idol. She was left in the Gallows courtyard and the place was closed off.
The sword/idol was eventually stolen post DAI (off screen) and Solas ended up putting his hand on it and turning it into a dagger in one of Tevinter Night short stories.
And yes, that means it is possible Meredith is tied to Solas's plot. She might even still be under the influence of the idol. Could have sworn they had to dig inside of her to find the idol and her red lyrium body crumbled around it. Per the dwarf in the last story, not Solas. So she shouldn't be intact?
This made no sense with her statue being int eh black emporium regardless, but I just thought that was supposed to be an easter egg. The Black Emporium is an easter egg after the short stories.
And she's a huge heap of Red Lyrium at the end of Absolution. We don't actually see any actual body parts. Just big "talking" Red Lyrium crystals sitting in a room.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 9, 2022 23:35:53 GMT
I am somewhat unsure on whether I want juiced-up Meredith to show up in Dreadwolf, or have her stick to the scope of the show (assuming a second season is actually in the works).
I have something of a theory that Dreadwolf's combat is gonna be very different from previous games, and if it does turn out to be the case... man, giga-empowered Meredith would be just the kind of boss scenario I'd want to see. For your information, a person on the resetera's thread about the alpha milestone mentioned that he beta-tested the game and that it was more action-based, I think mentioning God of War as a comparison.
...lmao, it's basically what I had in mind. I definitely wouldn't mind a chadded-up Meredith boss fight with gameplay along these lines.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 13, 2022 16:53:42 GMT
I have waited for this. She is amazing.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 14, 2022 0:42:53 GMT
I've watched this several more times now and every time the past tense wanted in "And now he wanted to tear down that veil and destroy the world" really stands out to me.
Especially combined with the next line "And we're the only ones who can stop him." It is just weird phrasing because you have the past tense followed by a directive to stop the thing that was...in the past?
One thing I noticed is that last line is the only one without any imagery associated with it. So maybe that part is taken somewhat out of context and pieced together for purposes of this video. Perhaps the full cinematic has more to it and they aren't ready to show us that part yet, but they needed a good closing line and so they threw that in there.
Otherwise possible implications that Solas no longer wants to bring down the veil or he has already succeeded, but neither of those seem particularly likely to me.
The really boring answer would be it is just bad grammar no one caught.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 14, 2022 2:33:40 GMT
Could be the Inquisition stopped him already, but Solas escaped and is now trying to do something else. That would explain his plan being past tense and Varric’s mission being present tense. Unlikely but possible.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2022 9:55:41 GMT
The really boring answer would be it is just bad grammar no one caught. A possibility but it is so jarring that I can't believe someone in quality control wouldn't have spotted it. However, thinking back to Trespasser, it is true that he wanted to tear down the Veil (by using his orb) but since that is destroyed, that is no longer possible. Remember when we said about dropping the Veil, wouldn't that mean the Evanuris would return, he responded "I had plans." That is also in the past tense. So, whatever plans he had for dealing with the freed Evanuris, maybe they have had to be changed to something else to fit with his revised agenda. What he did say was that he intended on "saving the elven people, even if this world has to die". To be honest, we all simply assumed that meant he was going to find an alternative way of dropping the Veil, but maybe it is more complicated than that. The only other clues we have were in the Dread Wolf Take You in Tevinter Nights. In that when other people ask what he aims to do, Charter says "restore the empire of the ancient elves", not destroy the Veil. Solas says he has definitely begun some sort of magic ritual to accomplish his aims and it is connected with the idol. The ritual had already begun before he spoke with the Inquisitor and that is why he told them (in a moment of weakness) so they could enjoy a few years peace before it finished. (In the case of an Inquisitor he hated and who hated him, I assume he just wanted to gloat). So that is probably why Varric framed it in that way. We know he wanted to destroy the Veil, in order to restore the world of the elves, but we don't know for certain if that is what his ritual is going to accomplish other than the intended result of restoring the elves. So they deliberately used the past tense in that sentence to hint that we jumped to the wrong conclusion about his future aims. All we do know is that it is likely to result in wholesale destruction and therefore we do need to stop him. I hope that makes sense.
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Post by fairdragon on Dec 14, 2022 12:01:14 GMT
I've watched this several more times now and every time the past tense wanted in "And now he wanted to tear down that veil and destroy the world" really stands out to me. Especially combined with the next line "And we're the only ones who can stop him." It is just weird phrasing because you have the past tense followed by a directive to stop the thing that was...in the past? I think: We see it at the beginning of the game. So it could be that this is a recap of DAI. my guess.
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Post by Iddy on Dec 14, 2022 12:44:46 GMT
I don't remember what happened to the red lyrium idol ? Like Meredith turned it into a sword and the statue still had the sword ?
I'm not sure I like where this is going, like if the Red Lyrium Idol is still plot relevant does that mean Meredith is tied to the Solas plot?
Tevinter Night gives some info there Meredith turned the idol into a sword and at the end of DA2, she turned into a Red Lyrium statue holding the Sword/idol. She was left in the Gallows courtyard and the place was closed off.
The sword/idol was eventually stolen post DAI (off screen) and Solas ended up putting his hand on it and turning it into a dagger in one of Tevinter Night short stories.
And yes, that means it is possible Meredith is tied to Solas's plot. She might even still be under the influence of the idol. ...And Solas can just touch red lyrium without being minimally affected?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2022 14:31:08 GMT
I don't remember what happened to the red lyrium idol ? Tevinter Night gives some info there If you check out the Asolution/Corypheus spoiler thread you will find some more of my research there. However: At the end of DA2, Meredith is turned into a red lyrium statue. It would seem the sword was absorbed into this and reformed into the idol. (see Tevinter Nights: The Dread Wolf Take You) There does seem to be some confusion in the timeline after the defeat of Corypheus. At some point the dignitaries of Kirkwall offer Varric the job of Viscount. By the time of the Exalted Council in Trespasser, Varric has successfully done a clean up job on the Gallows, including the removal of Meredith from the courtyard. I don't think it is ever said exactly where it was taken.
In the comic series Knight Errant, Vaea goes to the Gallows in order to recover an item from one of the Templars based there. She has to cross the courtyard and Meredith is still there, pretty much as we left her, although Vaea comments that it looks as though her hands should be holding something, like a sword. She is in the city because of the ceremony to officially make Varric Viscount. Thus, it must take place before Trespasser, even though at the end of the series she heads north from Starkhaven for Qarinus/Ventus in Tevinter, just in time for it to be invaded by the Qunari. It is a tight fit but the timeline just about does so.
In Tevinter Nights the idol is recovered from the statue of Meredith, although it no longer looks like a human, just a lump of red lyrium. So, this is definitely after Knight Errant. If the statue had already deformed before its removal from the courtyard, then this would be before Trespasser. Otherwise, it must be post Trespasser and the Carta dwarf knew its new location. An elf showed how to soften the red lyrium rock, so the idol could be removed from within.
Both Vaea when crossing the Courtyard and the Carta dwarf mention the strange vibes emanating from the structure. It is not clear whether this is due to the presence of the idol within or simply the red lyrium. The Carta dwarf took no chances as he placed the idol in a double shielded chest to protect them from it but it badly affected several members of his party before they did this. Still, something caused most of the people in the vicinity of the chest to have seizures during the night. The Mortalitasi suggested the dwarf was responsible with poison but I'm not so sure. It may be even a double shielded chest can't protect from the vibes from the idol.
When the idol was taken from Kirkwall, I think it was still in the chest, but when the mage carried it from the ritual in Nevarra it was out in the open. I don't know whether anyone would be safe in its vicinity but I suppose if anyone could shield themselves it would be Solas.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 15, 2022 8:21:50 GMT
I have waited for this. She is amazing.
I see what she means about Sylaise's crown in her temple of mythal mosaic have the same number of points (7) as the 2nd from the right, and she is associated with fire. But her crown appears to be made of leaves similar to the leaves on the vines that flank her in the same mosaic. In Elgar'nans' mosaic he is crushing a sun into the ground, you can't see the centre ray/spike because thats where his hand is crushing it but there are 3 on either side. And the headdress looks an awful lot like the constellation Solium (or "the sun"), which is commonly thought to represent Elgar'nan.
I agree with her about Falon'din being the 3rd from the right because it does indeed seem to match his statue.
I see what she means about the centre headdress being the most prominent (its even in a slightly larger semi circle) but Elgar'nans' bone mask thing's horns point up, rather than curving in. June's horns do curve in but but first go out making a sort of wiggle, closer looking but still not quite right. In the absence of the headdress shape being associated with anyone else I'll stick with my original guess from when the second teaser mural came out: Dirthamen, because the headdress, shoulder pads and hands make the shape of Dirthamen's vallaslin. Regardless of who it is they are looking away from the golden city instead of toward it which is interesting.
Of the remaining two, like her I just don't really know. I think the first on the left does look more like the staff Isana's Song/Lyrium-Infused staff then it does like the Accuser's Staff (being more angled than curved) but neither Sylaise nor June are particurly associated with lyrium. However the Smith caste appear to be the dwarves who inscribe lyrium runes, and June's mosaic has an anvil in it. So if I'm filling out the bingo card I'll put him on the far left. Which makes Sylaise 3rd from the left, for no other reason then that she's the only one left.
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2022 11:04:05 GMT
Okay, so now I'm going to toss out a new theory based on the fact that perhaps Solas' new plan does not involve totally destroying the Veil. Instead, he is going to find some way to circumvent it. He said that when he awoke it was like walking through a world of tranquil. That is interesting because we now know it is possible to reverse tranquility, through the use of spirits to reconnect the tranquil with the Fade. Could this be how he intends "restoring" the elves?
This is why he needs the idol. In the Dread Wolf Take You, the Mortalitasi recounted the ritual conducted by a Tevinter mage using the idol to "direct the course of the Fade against the Antaam", so that every dream, demon or half-interested spirit would unite against them. How the heck the Tevinter mage knew this could be accomplished with the idol is anyone's guess but clearly it must have had some impact on the Fade because of the reaction of Fen'Harel. "You meddle past your understanding, foolish mortal mages, and in doing so, you threaten all creation." He then commanded a host of spirits to attack the group doing the ritual. The Mortalitasi also mentioned that the spirit of the Dread Wolf was so great that it shook parts of the Fade "that I had always considered to be neutral, devoid of life". However, the latest video recalls another part of this confrontation. She says that the Tevinter mage using the idol caused the Fade around them to be full of "light and colour, a dizzying array of magic that makes up the world of spirits, and it swirled around the Tevinter mage and his ritual knife as though he were the eye of a hurricane." Doesn't that sound something like the image of Solas holding something aloft at the end of the trailer?
So, how does this fit with the "destruction of your world"? Well, if it didn't work it could result in the world being flooded with spirits. The Rite of Tranquility was discovered through a Seeker Ritual not working, because the spirit didn't connect with the mage, so these things can go wrong. Also, the only person who was permanently restored from tranquility, Pharamond in Asunder, was very fragile emotionally. Might it not be similarly overwhelming to the restored elves? Even if totally successful, the result would be a large number of powered up elves, many of whom might well want vengeance against the various civilisations that had oppressed them. Just the degree of magical power that might be unleashed could be lethal to innocent bystanders, even if they didn't directly intend them harm. Meanwhile, the Tevinter Magisters would not surrender their control without a fight, nor would the Qun. The result could be total chaos. The return of the world of the elves, would mean the end of the current one.
Anyway, for what it's worth, that is my idea for what Varric's words meant when he said that Solas "wanted to destroy the Veil". He has now come up with a different strategy involving the idol and "we're the only ones who can stop him."
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 15, 2022 22:52:27 GMT
However, the latest video recalls another part of this confrontation. She says that the Tevinter mage using the idol caused the Fade around them to be full of "light and colour, a dizzying array of magic that makes up the world of spirits, and it swirled around the Tevinter mage and his ritual knife as though he were the eye of a hurricane." Doesn't that sound something like the image of Solas holding something aloft at the end of the trailer? Ooh, good catch!
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Post by colfoley on Dec 20, 2022 11:38:19 GMT
Ugh I forgot to comment on the Ghil video there I was thinking of posting it if it wasn't but yeah... I like her theory it makes some degree of sense but I feel kind of sad by the implications if she is right because I was kind of looking forward to meeting the Evanuris but this indicates that a good deal of them are already dead. Though the whole spirit thing and then maybe this is one of the reasons why Solas is so confident that he could defeat them since there is only two left. I also theorize after listening to the dialogue a few times and through everything else and I think BioWare might be playing a little fast and loose with definitions. I think that most of this is what they intend to show in the game for the cinematic...but the bit at the end, about the weire the only one who can stop him, sounds like pure marketing. The audio even seems to change for me and then you have that little rif at the end also sounds a little out of place in context of the cutscene.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 21, 2022 1:45:12 GMT
I also theorize after listening to the dialogue a few times and through everything else and I think BioWare might be playing a little fast and loose with definitions. I think that most of this is what they intend to show in the game for the cinematic...but the bit at the end, about the weire the only one who can stop him, sounds like pure marketing. The audio even seems to change for me and then you have that little rif at the end also sounds a little out of place in context of the cutscene. Yeah, I think Varric's last line is taken at least somewhat out of context. It doesn't have a corresponding cinematic and it flows awkwardly with the preceding sentence. I'm guessing there is more to this cinematic that they chopped off (presumably because it reveals more than they are ready to show right now) and then tacked on that line to close out the video.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 21, 2022 17:09:51 GMT
So this is my take on the cinematic and the short story.
FYI, I didn’t want to delve too deeply into symbol speculation so I just directed people to Ghil’s video
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