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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 20:47:51 GMT
So like this is a stretch and I could be completely wrong..... but isn't this a Quarian on the Nexus? Looks more like a Geth to me. Same and even more so with that Multiplayer image. Maybe they changed the quarians to look more like geth. Sort of the creator creates its creation in its own image, which wasn't the case in the trilogy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2016 20:57:16 GMT
Looks more like a Geth to me. Same and even more so with that Multiplayer image. Maybe they changed the quarians to look more like geth. Sort of the creator creates its creation in its own image, which wasn't the case in the trilogy. Possibly, but why do that if you aren't going to have Geth as well since then that case won't be prevalent and it would have been easier to keep Quarians as they are? Plus I'd say they kind of did that in the Shepard Trilogy, since they had the same basic build, number of fingers, etc. Even the Quarian masks they wear have the mouth part look kind of like a Geth face. The head sticks too far out to be Quarian unless they did that redesign you mention, and if you notice the tubes hanging from it they match the placement of the Geth tubes compared to Quarian tubes. Add that to them being taller than those around them, and I think an unfinished Geth(by that I mean it seems some of the characters in that shot have the Color ID mats for later detailing).
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 5, 2016 22:07:00 GMT
So like this is a stretch and I could be completely wrong..... but isn't this a Quarian on the Nexus? Looks more like a Geth to me. Same and even more so with that Multiplayer image. Agreed. ☹️🔫 Just in case I need to put down any lore-bending nonsense, or synthetic uprisings.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 5, 2016 22:08:48 GMT
Maybe they changed the quarians to look more like geth. Sort of the creator creates its creation in its own image, which wasn't the case in the trilogy. Possibly, but why do that if you aren't going to have Geth as well since then that case won't be prevalent and it would have been easier to keep Quarians as they are? Plus I'd say they kind of did that in the Shepard Trilogy, since they had the same basic build, number of fingers, etc. Even the Quarian masks they wear have the mouth part look kind of like a Geth face. The head sticks too far out to be Quarian unless they did that redesign you mention, and if you notice the tubes hanging from it they match the placement of the Geth tubes compared to Quarian tubes. Add that to them being taller than those around them, and I think an unfinished Geth(by that I mean it seems some of the characters in that shot have the Color ID mats for later detailing). Keeping in mind that the ships leave between ME2 and ME3 don't most of the galaxy including the Quarians still believe the Geth are evil killing machines? I'm not so sure they'd let one on their multi-gazillion dollar expedition when everyone else is going to be asleep for 600 years. That just doesn't make sense to me?
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 5, 2016 22:24:07 GMT
Possibly, but why do that if you aren't going to have Geth as well since then that case won't be prevalent and it would have been easier to keep Quarians as they are? Plus I'd say they kind of did that in the Shepard Trilogy, since they had the same basic build, number of fingers, etc. Even the Quarian masks they wear have the mouth part look kind of like a Geth face. The head sticks too far out to be Quarian unless they did that redesign you mention, and if you notice the tubes hanging from it they match the placement of the Geth tubes compared to Quarian tubes. Add that to them being taller than those around them, and I think an unfinished Geth(by that I mean it seems some of the characters in that shot have the Color ID mats for later detailing). Keeping in mind that the ships leave between ME2 and ME3 don't most of the galaxy including the Quarians still believe the Geth are evil killing machines? I'm not so sure they'd let one on their multi-gazillion dollar expedition when everyone else is going to be asleep for 600 years. That just doesn't make sense to me? Indeed. There's no sensible, lore-friendly way to include the geth, as has been discussed to death.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2016 22:55:00 GMT
Possibly, but why do that if you aren't going to have Geth as well since then that case won't be prevalent and it would have been easier to keep Quarians as they are? Plus I'd say they kind of did that in the Shepard Trilogy, since they had the same basic build, number of fingers, etc. Even the Quarian masks they wear have the mouth part look kind of like a Geth face. The head sticks too far out to be Quarian unless they did that redesign you mention, and if you notice the tubes hanging from it they match the placement of the Geth tubes compared to Quarian tubes. Add that to them being taller than those around them, and I think an unfinished Geth(by that I mean it seems some of the characters in that shot have the Color ID mats for later detailing). Keeping in mind that the ships leave between ME2 and ME3 don't most of the galaxy including the Quarians still believe the Geth are evil killing machines? I'm not so sure they'd let one on their multi-gazillion dollar expedition when everyone else is going to be asleep for 600 years. That just doesn't make sense to me? Most of the galaxy, yes. However as seen with the krogan involvement, including the head of the core of engineers being one, the Andromeda Initiative has been more open-minded about involving other races for the project. Mac Walters said Bioware had in mind ways for every species we know from the Milky Way being involved in the project thus showing up in Andromeda, even if they may not show up in the first game. So perhaps the Andromeda Initiative made an arrangement with some Geth who extended themselves to the project, like how they sent Legion to extend themselves to Shepard. This gives the Andromeda Initiative more expertise and possibly even a crew for the 600 year journey while the organics sleep, and the Geth who know about the Reapers now have enabled a contingency where their species survives even if the Old Machines win. After all the leaders of the Andromeda Initiative are implied by Bioware to know of the Reapers(may be why they launch the Nexus before it is finished) so would buy the Geth's story and offer. That's just one idea and fits in the lore, more than a lot of things being pushed at least.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 5, 2016 22:59:53 GMT
Keeping in mind that the ships leave between ME2 and ME3 don't most of the galaxy including the Quarians still believe the Geth are evil killing machines? I'm not so sure they'd let one on their multi-gazillion dollar expedition when everyone else is going to be asleep for 600 years. That just doesn't make sense to me? Most of the galaxy, yes. However as seen with the krogan involvement, including the head of the core of engineers being one, the Andromeda Initiative has been more open-minded about involving other races for the project. Mac Walters said Bioware had in mind ways for every species we know from the Milky Way being involved in the project thus showing up in Andromeda, even if they may not show up in the first game. So perhaps the Andromeda Initiative made an arrangement with some Geth who extended themselves to the project, like how they sent Legion to extend themselves to Shepard. This gives the Andromeda Initiative more expertise and possibly even a crew for the 600 year journey while the organics sleep, and the Geth who know about the Reapers now have enabled a contingency where their species survives even if the Old Machines win. After all the leaders of the Andromeda Initiative are implied by Bioware to know of the Reapers(may be why they launch the Nexus before it is finished) so would buy the Geth's story and offer. That's just one idea and fits in the lore, more than a lot of things being pushed at least. The Krogan weren't currently at war tho... And depending on when it was then the Sovereign attack was blamed on the Geth. I'm not saying don't have them I'm saying that blurry screenshot looks nothing like a Geth to me and I think you're wrong.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 5, 2016 23:06:35 GMT
The krogan aren't near the level of the geth. You can see krogan working legit jobs before the reaper war and aren't considered hostiles universally. The geth are. It was a massive stretch that Shepard was even able to bring one aboard the Citadel. A more sensible outcome would be for alarms to go off and security to destroy on sight.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2016 23:11:34 GMT
The Krogan weren't currently at war tho... And depending on when it was then the Sovereign attack was blamed on the Geth. I'm not saying don't have them I'm saying that blurry screenshot looks nothing like a Geth to me and I think you're wrong. Only because the Council races made sure the krogan were unable to make war, like for example banning them from owning starships. There are many krogan who wanted to continue the war against them as you see throughout the Shepard Trilogy. Meanwhile ironically the Geth didn't want war. And like I said Bioware said that some in the AI knew the truth. As for what you were saying though, that's fine. The image is too blurry to say for absolute surity. I just see it as not fitting the look of a Quarian or any race we know as well as Geth.
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Post by Arcian on Dec 5, 2016 23:19:47 GMT
If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too. If there are Geth, there better be Protheans too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 5, 2016 23:24:53 GMT
If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too. If there are Geth, there better be Protheans too. I get you are mocking me, but why should there be Protheans if there are Geth? At least my "If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too" has reasons behind it whereas your mimic has none since they have nothing to do with each other.
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Post by tempest on Dec 6, 2016 2:15:28 GMT
Well I want there to be quarians more than anything so perhaps that's influencing me but it does look like a Quarian to me. Male, probably.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 6, 2016 6:05:48 GMT
The Krogan weren't currently at war tho... And depending on when it was then the Sovereign attack was blamed on the Geth. I'm not saying don't have them I'm saying that blurry screenshot looks nothing like a Geth to me and I think you're wrong. Only because the Council races made sure the krogan were unable to make war, like for example banning them from owning starships. There are many krogan who wanted to continue the war against them as you see throughout the Shepard Trilogy. Meanwhile ironically the Geth didn't want war. And like I said Bioware said that some in the AI knew the truth. As for what you were saying though, that's fine. The image is too blurry to say for absolute surity. I just see it as not fitting the look of a Quarian or any race we know as well as Geth. As far as anyone is concerned in 2185, the geth are two years removed from laying waste to Eden Prime and Feros, before assaulting the heart of galactic civilization. As much as you love the geth, there is no sensible way to make this work. Plus, making any peace with the geth in 2185 completely undercuts the massive achievement of any who made peace at Rannoch. It also introduces a huge break in logic. Why did so many have to die if the geth had already proven themselves? Why wouldn't these logical machines say, "Look, quarian creators, we are already working in harmony with organics. We desire peace."? Many lives would've been saved on both sides. I can't see any logical way for the geth to be a peaceful part of this story.
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Post by Nashimura on Dec 6, 2016 6:06:30 GMT
If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too. The established timeline puts the Arks as leaving before the events of ME3. So no Geth, unless Bioware is willing to contravene their established lore again. You know they are....
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2016 7:25:31 GMT
Only because the Council races made sure the krogan were unable to make war, like for example banning them from owning starships. There are many krogan who wanted to continue the war against them as you see throughout the Shepard Trilogy. Meanwhile ironically the Geth didn't want war. And like I said Bioware said that some in the AI knew the truth. As for what you were saying though, that's fine. The image is too blurry to say for absolute surity. I just see it as not fitting the look of a Quarian or any race we know as well as Geth. As far as anyone is concerned in 2185, the geth are two years removed from laying waste to Eden Prime and Feros, before assaulting the heart of galactic civilization. As much as you love the geth, there is no sensible way to make this work. Plus, making any peace with the geth in 2185 completely undercuts the massive achievement of any who made peace at Rannoch. It also introduces a huge break in logic. Why did so many have to die if the geth had already proven themselves? Why wouldn't these logical machines say, "Look, quarian creators, we are already working in harmony with organics. We desire peace."? Many lives would've been saved on both sides. I can't see any logical way for the geth to be a peaceful part of this story. No it wouldn't. For starters, the Quarian Flotilla began the assault with a surprise attack that scrambled Geth connections and then launched a blitzkrieg, so they had no time to send that message out. Then we see time and again that the Quarians, namely the Admiralty Board and particularly Han'Gerrel, acting illogically. From launching an attack rather than retreating thus trapping them in the system, to firing on the Geth even when Shepard is telling them there is no need to fight. Unless you have done enough in ME2 and ME3, he refuses to listen to logic until it kills the entire flotilla. So clearly even if the Geth could send that message the Quarians certainly aren't going to listen to it, seeing it as a trap if nothing else. On the flip side, since you are bringing this undercutting choices made in past games, I say them never appearing does that even more since it pretty much all but canonizes a choice, being the Quarians. Likewise if it was just Geth and no Quarians, it would be like canonizing the Geth choice. Having only one race aboard is a much deeper undercut to that achievement than having both. As much as you hate the idea, Bioware themselves said they made it so any and all Milky Way races could make sense for the voyage so they can appear in the game. So they think there is a sensible and logical way for it to work.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 6, 2016 8:04:31 GMT
As far as anyone is concerned in 2185, the geth are two years removed from laying waste to Eden Prime and Feros, before assaulting the heart of galactic civilization. As much as you love the geth, there is no sensible way to make this work. Plus, making any peace with the geth in 2185 completely undercuts the massive achievement of any who made peace at Rannoch. It also introduces a huge break in logic. Why did so many have to die if the geth had already proven themselves? Why wouldn't these logical machines say, "Look, quarian creators, we are already working in harmony with organics. We desire peace."? Many lives would've been saved on both sides. I can't see any logical way for the geth to be a peaceful part of this story. No it wouldn't. For starters, the Quarian Flotilla began the assault with a surprise attack that scrambled Geth connections and then launched a blitzkrieg, so they had no time to send that message out. Then we see time and again that the Quarians, namely the Admiralty Board and particularly Han'Gerrel, acting illogically. From launching an attack rather than retreating thus trapping them in the system, to firing on the Geth even when Shepard is telling them there is no need to fight. Unless you have done enough in ME2 and ME3, he refuses to listen to logic until it kills the entire flotilla. So clearly even if the Geth could send that message the Quarians certainly aren't going to listen to it, seeing it as a trap if nothing else. On the flip side, since you are bringing this undercutting choices made in past games, I say them never appearing does that even more since it pretty much all but canonizes a choice, being the Quarians. Likewise if it was just Geth and no Quarians, it would be like canonizing the Geth choice. Having only one race aboard is a much deeper undercut to that achievement than having both. As much as you hate the idea, Bioware themselves said they made it so any and all Milky Way races could make sense for the voyage so they can appear in the game. So they think there is a sensible and logical way for it to work. So, now your argument hinges on "they might be screwed no matter what"? That's not helping your argument. The rest of the galaxy has even less reason to compromise than the quarians. The geth were galactic enemy #1 very, very recently. Whether or not the quarians would hear their pleas for peace is irrelevant. The point is that they'd have made them, and we'd have known it. Legion made a huge production of showing Shepard the entire history of geth interactions with organics. Shepard's peaceful interaction with Legion was significant because it was the first such example since before the Mourning War. Do we chop down that poignant story and lore, as well, so that we can have geth in Andromeda? Again, we destroy their entire story because we can't let them go? Before you argue, "None of that necessarily happens in a given playthrough," it can happen, and that's all that matters. BioWare refused to pick a canon ending to the OT out of respect for the myriad "possibilities" in the millions of game saves in the hands of their fans. The argument that including either/or canonizes a resolution to the war is ridiculous. Including both the quarians and geth must canonize the peaceful resolution, then, right? The quarians aren't widely beloved or valued, but they aren't a feared, illegal species of AIs. The geth are literally prohibited from existing in Council Space. Quarians can easily be explained in this game. Geth can't. It has nothing to do with canonizing endings. That argument was a serious reach. BioWare can write whatever they like. It's their story. If they choose to write geth into the story, so be it. I think they'd be better served by waiting for a sequel, before even considering reintroducing the geth. Again, though, it's their story. You run into skepticism at every turn from others here, though, because this idea doesn't make sense. You're always quick to call BS on the smallest issues with this game, and to jump in with great nuggets of lore in other cases, but you're willing to twist common sense and lore into pretzels to include the geth in MEA. I don't want you to feel like I'm hassling you about it, but you did quote my post and challenge my stance. We should probably keep in mind that this is the "quarian thread", and not the "geth thread", lest we annoy others.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2016 8:58:44 GMT
*snip* We should probably keep in mind that this is the "quarian thread", and not the "geth thread", lest we annoy others. Maybe you should have thought of that before restarting a conversation that was finished.
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Post by Arcian on Dec 6, 2016 16:18:38 GMT
If there are Geth, there better be Protheans too. I get you are mocking me, but why should there be Protheans if there are Geth? At least my "If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too" has reasons behind it whereas your mimic has none since they have nothing to do with each other. I'm not mocking you, I genuinely want Protheans in ME:A. At least then I would have an excuse to play it. And BioWare has already thrown common sense to the cosmic winds, so the idea that a bunch of Prothean Arks left for Andromeda 50,000 years ago to escape the Reaper threat is not at all farfetched. The prothean galactic civilization were 20,000 years more advanced than the current galactic civilization, so the notion that humanity could journey to Andromeda after 30ish years and the Protheans couldn't after 20,000 years, is, well, bollocks.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 6, 2016 16:24:07 GMT
I get you are mocking me, but why should there be Protheans if there are Geth? At least my "If there are Quarians, there better be Geth too" has reasons behind it whereas your mimic has none since they have nothing to do with each other. I'm not mocking you, I genuinely want Protheans in ME:A. At least then I would have an excuse to play it. And BioWare has already thrown common sense to the cosmic winds, so the idea that a bunch of Prothean Arks left for Andromeda 50,000 years ago to escape the Reaper threat is not at all farfetched. The prothean galactic civilization were 20,000 years more advanced than the current galactic civilization, so the notion that humanity could journey to Andromeda after 30ish years and the Protheans couldn't after 20,000 years, is, well, bollocks. If the Quarians, Geth, and Protheans are going then the Rachni better be there too. Aside from the arguably superior advantages they would provide to a colonization effort over a species like say the Krogan, they should be present for the simple fact that we would have a guaranteed 'alien' present in Andromeda. No need to worry about every other species being a human in a rubber mask with the Rachni there.
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Post by Arcian on Dec 6, 2016 17:25:13 GMT
I'm not mocking you, I genuinely want Protheans in ME:A. At least then I would have an excuse to play it. And BioWare has already thrown common sense to the cosmic winds, so the idea that a bunch of Prothean Arks left for Andromeda 50,000 years ago to escape the Reaper threat is not at all farfetched. The prothean galactic civilization were 20,000 years more advanced than the current galactic civilization, so the notion that humanity could journey to Andromeda after 30ish years and the Protheans couldn't after 20,000 years, is, well, bollocks. If the Quarians, Geth, and Protheans are going then the Rachni better be there too. Aside from the arguably superior advantages they would provide to a colonization effort over a species like say the Krogan, they should be present for the simple fact that we would have a guaranteed 'alien' present in Andromeda. No need to worry about every other species being a human in a rubber mask with the Rachni there. I agree. On that note, we should bring along yahg as well because why wouldn't the salarians bring along a viable population of homicidal shadow brokers who could break out of captivity to become a future threat in the Andromeda galaxy?
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Post by webs on Jan 18, 2017 7:15:08 GMT
Personally I feel like it's gonna be hard to add a Quarian into MEA. Since the mission leaves before ME3 the Quarians would still be without a home world and were very faithful to the fleet. Since it takes 600 years to get to Andromeda, I don't think it's a trip that a Quarian will take for his/her pilgrimage. So if we do see a Quarian here or there then they may be exiles.
Personally, I would like to see another Drell squad member. I think it would make sense for them to travel to Andromeda to try and find another arid home world like the one they lost, so that they can try to save their race.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 18, 2017 7:32:39 GMT
There was also talk that some species won't make the 1st game in Andromeda, so a good chance Quarians won't make it. In later games they may come. I think for now it will mainly be new and council races. And nb4 "what bout da krogans?" You need muscle and someone to do the heavy lifting. Quarian isn't going to be doing that. Given that the Quarians were one of the fan favorites, I'd be surprised if they weren't in the game at all. I would think the more likely candidates for being on the Nexus but not in the game would be some of the minor species, like Hanar, Batarians, Vorcha, Elcor, ect. Quarians Possibly. They could be with us in the Andromeda Galaxy... However more than likely only in the technical capacity of repairing things. Maybe some could be on a one-way trip pilgrimage. Hanar Thought that this has already been confirmed in stone by Bioware that they were definitely not showing up. Batarians Only if they are starting antagonists and not the main ones. Their leaderships' bigotry in a new galaxy is not needed. This needs to be a new start for everyone -past hatreds must die. Lets leave the bigotry they developed back in the Milky Way Galaxy.Vorcha Seriously? They would scare many of the Andromeda Galaxy native species with those teeth.
Elcor As much as I like them in general... The Elcor size alone would not allow for their inclusion at this time.
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Post by Pon.ee on Jan 18, 2017 12:12:23 GMT
Given that the Quarians were one of the fan favorites, I'd be surprised if they weren't in the game at all. I would think the more likely candidates for being on the Nexus but not in the game would be some of the minor species, like Hanar, Batarians, Vorcha, Elcor, ect. Quarians Possibly. They could be with us in the Andromeda Galaxy... However more than likely only in the technical capacity of repairing things. Maybe some could be on a one-way trip pilgrimage. Hanar Thought that this has already been confirmed in stone by Bioware that they were definitely not showing up. Batarians Only if they are starting antagonists and not the main ones. Their leaderships' bigotry in a new galaxy is not needed. This needs to be a new start for everyone -past hatreds must die. Lets leave the bigotry they developed back in the Milky Way Galaxy.Vorcha Seriously? They would scare many of the Andromeda Galaxy native species with those teeth.
Elcor As much as I like them in general... The Elcor size alone would not allow for their inclusion at this time.Awww what? Ass if the hanar won't be there, the andromedans haven't heard their enkindlers spiel yet you think they'd jump at the chance XD
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 18, 2017 12:24:30 GMT
You got my hopes up revived thread! I thought something had been announced. I'm still completely unsure if they are in or not. It's difficult because I know that if they aren't in ME:A they are very likely to be in MEA2... and I know that if they were added in a sequel a squadmate would be likely. Part of me thinks it may be best to accept they are probably not in, enjoy Andromeda for what it is and wait until we get a full squadmate in a future game... But It's already been a five year wait for Andromeda. I'm not patient enough to console myself by thinking about future games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 12:51:41 GMT
Oh God please no!
The Quarians were annoying enough in the trilogy as they were space panhandlers. I am tired of their "but our homeworld was destroyed...." whining in the trilogy and I would prefer that they not be in ANY MEA game.
I would rather have the Drell or Bartarians instead of Quarians. However due to the high number of Tali fans, Bioware would probably succumb and add them in for fanservice purposes even if it hurts the lore.
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Also, adding in the Quarians (or anymore Milkyway races) devalues the whole idea of Andromeda. In furture MEA games, I want to see newer Andromeda races to give the sense that we are truely in a foriegn and distant universe. If majority of the races in the game are familiar Milkyway races, then it breaks the immersion that we are in a different galaxy.
So again, I hope no Quarians shows up in MEA.
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