I'm predicting Quarians are in ME:A. (Spoilers from the Gameplay Trailer)

Huh. I noticed both weapons, but didn't really clue-in that they were from the same category (not that the Reegar Carbine is actually a shotgun or carbine - it's an arc projector). Does this mean we can have multiples of the same class of weapon in ME:A? In the video, it looks like it's on Ryder's right shoulder-blade, where assault rifles usually go.

Er, what? I'm not sour that we're not on the Milky Way anymore. In fact, I support the developer's decision to leave it. I actually didn't hate the trilogy's end like most, but do believe they wrote themselves in a corner with it. I'm glad they came up with a solution that means we get a new Mass Effect. And the starting premise of going out into the great unknown is one I love very much.

But the fact is (based on what the developers have said, not just my opinion) a large part of what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect is humanity's place among those other species. And those species themselves are iconic to the series. Their culture, backstory, lore, etc. I would argue that without them it would no longer be Mass Effect. It would be a completely unrelated game that just happens to be in space and utilizes the same technology. And the Andromeda Initiative was conceptualized not as a human-only project but as one that features all the council races (and potentially others). I imagine one of the story beats we might see in the game is how our place among those species shifts in the absence of the Council and Milky Way politics and shared threats and unknowns. Can we really leave those old conflicts behind? When Europeans and others began to settle the New World they certainly didn't, and that's as much a part of our history as our clashes with native peoples are.

And how do you know the writers themselves aren't attached to those species? How do you know they weren't the ones who felt there was more to their stories? More characters they wanted to write? How do you know that what they really wanted to do was leave all those boring old species behind and just focus on Andromeda ones, if only it weren't for those pesky fans who can't move on? Is loving the thing you created really so terrible if that's the case? And regarding fan-service: even if I think there's times Bioware goes too far with it, is pleasing the fans of the game you made really so unforgivable, when it's your vision they ultimately love and want more of?

All what you said essentially equates to you explaining how Mass Effect cannot evolve because it is forever chained to the Shepard trilogy.

What I see happening with future MEA titles if Quarians come is Bioware writing themselves into another corner. If Quarians come, these are the questions that will have to be answered:

1) Why didnt they come with everyone else?

2) Given their unique situation with limited resources how did they untake and survive the trip?

3) When did they leave? If they left after ME2 or even after ME3....how will Bioware explain the plothole of the entire Quarian fleet fighting at the end of ME3?

Especially with point #3, Bioware will end up either writing themselves into a corner or retconning a whole bunch of stuff in order to squeeze the Quarians into Andromeda.

Again, your mindset is why the Call of Duty remains the number 1 selling videogame while shooters with more ideas and perspective probably never leaves the productiom floor. It is your mindset why Disney allowed JJ Abrams to make TFA the way he did.

Try to explain it all you want but what you and many other says essentially boils down to being hampered by nostalgia and being closed minded.

I am GLAD many MW races are not in MEA.

Again, MEA2 or MEA3 assuming we even get those will probably have Quarians, Geth, Drell, Bartarians, Vorcha, and Reapers etc because Bioware is prone to bending backwards for fan service (was Varric really needed in DAI? No, but Fanservice dictated that he appear). But in the time being with MEA, I can take solace in the idea that Andromeda has a foriegn and unfamiliar setting and vibe as it isnt flooded with MW races but has its own races, cultures, governments, and conflicts. I can take ease knowing that my Ryders will be in the middle of that. This is of course until MEA2 comes around and the plot becomes MW race focused and Andromeda no longer feels foriegn.

It will have a foreign and unfamiliar vibe for most of the game, presumably. But the fact is (and the debate over whether you like it or not should really be in a thread that's actually about that) the Nexus is basically the Citadel-lite. With Milky Way races everywhere and a Milky Way style bar and a Milky Way style Avina. It's a home base of sorts for the people in the Initiative to return to something familiar even as they're exploring new spaces. Much like how humans who move to foreign countries tend to like reaching out to those of their native culture even as they prepare for a new life. You can rant about this (in another thread, perhaps?) if you want, and complain about how nostalgic and close-minded and uncreative that is. I think it's a nice way to keep the game grounded in the series, even as the game opens up the franchise for new possibilities.

*sigh* Not that anything I've written here will have any impact on you at all. You've clearly made up your mind and anyone who disagrees is trapped in the mire of their narrow tastes. One could almost say that's a bit... close-minded of you? No? Anyway, I'm done responding to you since everything I write is met with a rehash of the same argument. That'll be all.

Just like they planned on creating continuous DLC between ME1 that tells the story leading up to ME2?

Lets be honest, if it is fair to say that MEA exist only to ignore ME3's endings, it is also fair to say that Bioware may include Milkyway races cause they know the fan base is too closed minded to accept change.

Nostalgia kills creativity.

People wanted to play as other races after DA2 and they included more races. The result? The IQ was very bland becausw the writers had to make his background and purpose very vague because he or she could be either 1 of 4 different races. They should have just kept it to where the IQ was human only.

Short answer? It's not my favorite one. See, I could do without the krogan and the asari and Avina and N7 armor and mentions of Shepard and her crew and a whole lot of other things that follow us from the Milky Way. But I really like quarians. So if we're including all this other stuff I want my personal favorite to get in there too. And it's not like I'm asking for some obscure thing, or something that would be really hard to explain the presence of, or something only me and five other people give a crap about. I'm hoping for one of the major races from the trilogy, who's story played a big part in it, who have plenty of reasons to be there and be an asset. Which also happens to be a favorite among many fans. Call it nostalgia if you like, but if it's sonething I really loved from the game, and know it's something many others love as well, is it really so hard to comprehend that I want to see more of it? Regardless of whether it's something you personally dislike?

And if Quarians do happen to be in Andromeda as stowaways then I am fine with that. Quarians are space panhandlers so it would make sense. What irks me is the notion of a large group of them formerly traveling to Andromeda which lore wise, creates a bunch of plotholes.

In the trilogy we are told that Quarians (who arent exiled) all stay with the fleet as it strengthens their survival. When they do leave, it is assumed that they will come back to the fleet bringing resources or knowledge that can be used to make the fleet stronger. Last time I checked.....the AI was a one way trip so I do not expect any Quarians going to Andromeda expecting to go back to the MW.

So I ask again, given the FACT that the Quarian fleet in the trilogy was at full stength, how will Bioware write in a large scale of non-exiled Quarians without retconning the plot from the trilogy?

So yeah, I am fine with a few exiled Quarians or a few stowaways, but I doubt we will see Quarians in the same scale as Asari, Turians, Humans, and Salarians....meaning that any purpose the Quarians serve in MEA will not be a substantial one.

However this is MEA and Quarians will not be in the game, good riddance! We can deal with them in their smaller numbers in future games, but again, I can rest easy knowing that Quarians, Bartarians, Vorcha, Drell etc....will not be in MEA which to ke allows Andromeda to maintain its aura of discovery and being in foriegn territory.

All the Talimancers can just Deal....with....it

 

No, no, I get that. Wanting your favorites from the trilogy to make it in is definitely to be expected. Was just curious as to if that was the reason or something else. Thank you for the clarification.

As for an in game reason, I just feel like it doesn't make all that much sense for the quarians to be there in big numbers being that they are cast outs from the other races and off doing their own thing in the flotilla. I honestly kind of expected there to be quarian stowaways and the like that make it in to Andromeda