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Post by Antibaar on Jan 18, 2017 13:06:34 GMT
I don't mind if quarians are not in Andromeda.Still I want to discover new species,new cultures...not the old ones.
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Post by Felya87 on Jan 18, 2017 13:30:12 GMT
Frankly, I have very little interest in the new races. If the original trilogy races didn't had a decent treatment, how can we hope the new ones will be good? We still haven't even a decent face model for the Quarian, nor a female version of Dreel. I'd rather have back all the Milky Way races than new ones, who will be almost surely treated in a very superficial way.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 13:35:10 GMT
I don't mind if quarians are not in Andromeda.Still I want to discover new species,new cultures...not the old ones. Exactly!!!! Too many Milkyway races will break the immersion of being in a new and distant galaxy. This is ANDROMEDA not the Milkyway. I want to see new races and explore their cultures and struggles. The ME trilogy us done, time to put it to rest and let it go and move on!
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Post by helios969 on Jan 18, 2017 13:46:04 GMT
Keeping in mind that the ships leave between ME2 and ME3 don't most of the galaxy including the Quarians still believe the Geth are evil killing machines? I'm not so sure they'd let one on their multi-gazillion dollar expedition when everyone else is going to be asleep for 600 years. That just doesn't make sense to me? Indeed. There's no sensible, lore-friendly way to include the geth, as has been discussed to death. I don't know why people seem to think that. Pretty simple I think. Given the Geth are software how hard would it be for them to infiltrate miscellaneous systems and assume control of some VI assisted mechs. Is it really necessary to include them or do they bring anything fresh from a storytelling perspective? Not really, that story has been told. Plus I don't think the Geth would have any real interest in following organics to Andromeda as they are concerned with building their own future. Quarians on the other hand, I see no reason to exclude them...though I wouldn't expect there to be a very big population...a few exiles and a handful of those who decided not to return to the Flotilla once on their Pilgrimage.
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 18, 2017 13:46:27 GMT
I don't see why bringing back Quarians and showing us new cultures are considered mutually exclusive. The original Mass Effect had 11 different alien species, 12 after Bring down the sky introduced the Batarians, and it did just fine.
While I do want to see new species, after seeing those weird tentacle guys I have very low expectations. I'd rather they bring back the interesting and developed existing species and take them in a new direction than add loads of new species that feel like a cheap rehash of what we've had before.
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Post by brunobyof on Jan 18, 2017 13:51:59 GMT
i loved Tali, but the rest of quarians were...expendable. After all, they are all dead now, at least according to my last playthrough, since i killed them all to add some Geth Primes to my crew heheh
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 18, 2017 14:10:52 GMT
I'd rather have Geth than Quarians. But I'd be fine without either.
I'd like a new AI (not Andromeda Initiative) race though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:59:17 GMT
I'd love to get know new alien species in Andromeda, and equally would love there to be at least a couple quarians (and geth).
Quarians to me are so intrinsic to Mass Effect and the franchise, not having them would leave very large... uh, suits to fill.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 15:32:58 GMT
I don't see why bringing back Quarians and showing us new cultures are considered mutually exclusive. The original Mass Effect had 11 different alien species, 12 after Bring down the sky introduced the Batarians, and it did just fine. While I do want to see new species, after seeing those weird tentacle guys I have very low expectations. I'd rather they bring back the interesting and developed existing species and take them in a new direction than add loads of new species that feel like a cheap rehash of what we've had before. No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams.
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Post by javeart on Jan 18, 2017 15:55:36 GMT
No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. I disagree. Personally, I don't care at all about Andromeda and I'm accepting the new setting only as prerequisite to have another Mass Effect game, so I understand if people want to have in Andromeda the things they had in the MW, particularly a favourite race. I understand that, I'm not a fan of quarians but I'd miss a lot not having some salarians there A purely "only-Andromeda stuff", "everything is new", game, could have been just a new IP
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 18, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
I don't see why bringing back Quarians and showing us new cultures are considered mutually exclusive. The original Mass Effect had 11 different alien species, 12 after Bring down the sky introduced the Batarians, and it did just fine. While I do want to see new species, after seeing those weird tentacle guys I have very low expectations. I'd rather they bring back the interesting and developed existing species and take them in a new direction than add loads of new species that feel like a cheap rehash of what we've had before. No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. Their story was resolved? So was the krogans. And the Salarians, Turians, Asari and Humans. Doesn't stop us having all of those species back. Maybe you need to accept that this is a Mass Effect game, not a new IP. If they wanted to completely detach it from the original trilogy they would have just made a new franchise. Let's be honest, Andromeda is ultimately set where it is so that they can ignore Mass Effect 3's events without consequence, not because they wanted to give us a completely alien setting.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 18, 2017 16:17:07 GMT
He/she wasn't saying that they need to have EVERYTHING be new in Andromeda, just that they don't need to bring EVERYTHING from the Milky Way into Andromeda. Otherwise, I agree... it would all feel too familiar. This is supposed to be about exploring a new galaxy and discovering things we haven't seen before in Mass Effect. This includes new species.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 18, 2017 16:20:47 GMT
I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. You know Bioware has said that they have a plan to include all of the MIlky Way races into Andromeda, right? They may not appear in the vanilla first game, but they have a plan where they can all show up.
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Post by fialka on Jan 18, 2017 16:21:43 GMT
I don't see why bringing back Quarians and showing us new cultures are considered mutually exclusive. The original Mass Effect had 11 different alien species, 12 after Bring down the sky introduced the Batarians, and it did just fine. While I do want to see new species, after seeing those weird tentacle guys I have very low expectations. I'd rather they bring back the interesting and developed existing species and take them in a new direction than add loads of new species that feel like a cheap rehash of what we've had before. No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. Except we already have the other four of the 'big five' Milky Way species represented: Salarian, Asari, and Turian of the Council species - plus the Krogan which were never a Council species but were included because they're a fan favorite (what other reason is there to have them, really? I'm not complaining - I know they're inclusion makes a lot of fans happy and that's great, even if I could personally take or leave them). I don't see how adding quarians (a former Council race who's story was a pretty big part of the universe - the reason why AIs were made illegal; the creation of the geth - a story beat closely tied to that of our cycle's Reaper war). If you're going by the logic that Milky Way races being a focus of the game somehow ruins Andromeda for you than the Initiative should have been human only to begin with. So that all the aliens could be new. But at that point is it even Mass Effect any more? As Ianamus said above you, I don't see why the two must be mutually exclusive. It sound like there's a whole lot of story in Andromeda. And while the main aspect of that story is exploration and discovery, I imagine another part will be seeing how the major MW races we've come to know and love and care about (humans included) approach this uncharted galaxy and whatever issues arise. And I mentioned this in another thread, but so far every other species has been confirmed. Quarians fans are the only ones still left hanging, and I think most of us are prepared to be disappointed even if we hope otherwise. Regardless, while fans of other things have been screaming all over the forum about how Bioware sucks or sold out or betrayed their fans because they (maybe) didn't include X, I think we've all been very polite in expressing that hope. Just something I want to point out for all the flack we seem to be getting every time we get excited over some sliver if possibility. As if the turian or asari fans wouldn't be doing the same if their favorite species looked like it might not be in the game. Except maybe they wouldn't be quite so nice about it.
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Post by LuckyFatCat on Jan 18, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
So like this is a stretch and I could be completely wrong..... but isn't this a Quarian on the Nexus? That is a huge Quarian then, as has been mentioned before. That said, weren't Quarians mentioned to be a bit shorter than humans(codex or in game)? Slighty to the right side of the human in the red-white coat (lab coat?) there's another human (or very human-ish) figure that is roughly at the same standing distance away from the camera as the "Quarian" in question is...and is noticeably shorter, by half a head's worth. Edit: Forgot to mention that the new species may be wearing a hood/have their hood up (took a screenshot of the footage, right side...the new species has a scarf/lowered hood draping down their back perhaps?) and that may be why it looks like a helmet/visor setup in the other screenshot? I think it's one of the new species (anggaran?) that we saw in the previous game play trailers. (AlsohiI'mnewhere.)
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That just me, or are we owed a Kal MOTHERFUCKING Reegar grade squadmate?
Come on, we all know how fucking pure badass Kal MOTHERFUCKING Reegar was.
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 18, 2017 17:39:29 GMT
He/she wasn't saying that they need to have EVERYTHING be new in Andromeda, just that they don't need to bring EVERYTHING from the Milky Way into Andromeda. Otherwise, I agree... it would all feel too familiar. This is supposed to be about exploring a new galaxy and discovering things we haven't seen before in Mass Effect. This includes new species. I know, I want them to find a good balance of old and new as well. But I think that Andromeda is just as good an opportunity to create new stories for the existing species as it is to create new species. I'd love to see Quarians in a setting where the migrant fleet, Geth and their homeworld are so far removed that they are not relevant to their story. And Krogans who don't focus on the genophage, Asari removed from their seat of power and so on. That will be just as interesting as the new species they introduce.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jan 18, 2017 18:06:28 GMT
He/she wasn't saying that they need to have EVERYTHING be new in Andromeda, just that they don't need to bring EVERYTHING from the Milky Way into Andromeda. Otherwise, I agree... it would all feel too familiar. This is supposed to be about exploring a new galaxy and discovering things we haven't seen before in Mass Effect. This includes new species. I know, I want them to find a good balance of old and new as well. But I think that Andromeda is just a good an opportunity to create new stories for the existing species as it is to create new species. I'd love to see Quarians in a setting where the migrant fleet, Geth and their homeworld are so far removed that they are not relevant to their story. And Krogans who don't focus on the genophage, Asari removed from their seat of power and so on. That will be just as interesting as the new species they introduce. I suppose it's all in the perspective of each player. I wouldn't care to have more story on the quarians, regardless of this being in a new galaxy or not. I think just having the council races (plus Krogan) is enough to make it still feel like mass effect and still relate it to the MW without going to overboard in that department. If they absolutely need to include the other races, I think them being just background NPCs is fine.
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Post by fialka on Jan 18, 2017 18:22:13 GMT
He/she wasn't saying that they need to have EVERYTHING be new in Andromeda, just that they don't need to bring EVERYTHING from the Milky Way into Andromeda. Otherwise, I agree... it would all feel too familiar. This is supposed to be about exploring a new galaxy and discovering things we haven't seen before in Mass Effect. This includes new species. I know, I want them to find a good balance of old and new as well. But I think that Andromeda is just a good an opportunity to create new stories for the existing species as it is to create new species. I'd love to see Quarians in a setting where the migrant fleet, Geth and their homeworld are so far removed that they are not relevant to their story. And Krogans who don't focus on the genophage, Asari removed from their seat of power and so on. That will be just as interesting as the new species they introduce. Exactly. While I found the quarian-geth conflict and Flotilla culture interesting, I would love to see them in a setting where they deal with something completely new. If I'm annoyed by anything we've heard about the old races so far, it's that the krogan genophage and the fate of their people plot is apparently something we'll be hearing about again. I can only hope that story is told from a totally different angle (or already resolved by the time we arrive or something) so it's not just a repeat of the old. Personally I'm looking forward to seeing what the Milky Way races expect from the expedition, and why these particular characters chose to leave. What sort of turian would come to Andromeda? Their culture doesn't exactly encourage 'off the beaten path' thinking. So I want to meet those turians who looked to a life beyond one of duty and tradition. I can't wait to get to know our female Krogan engineer, who perhaps saw the Initiative as the only opportunity to do what she loves and be respected for it. I especially want to meet those quarians who rejected Flotilla life to seek out something different for themselves, assuming they're there. I find all that just as intriguing as learning about whatever new races we might meet in Andromeda.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 18:59:58 GMT
No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. I disagree. Personally, I don't care at all about Andromeda and I'm accepting the new setting only as prerequisite to have another Mass Effect game, so I understand if people want to have in Andromeda the things they had in the MW, particularly a favourite race. I understand that, I'm not a fan of quarians but I'd miss a lot not having some salarians there A purely "only-Andromeda stuff", "everything is new", game, could have been just a new IP So in other words you are just another closed minded gamer who believes that Mass Effect can only equate to the content we saw in the trilogy. Again, people like you is why JJ Abrams made TFA the way he did.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 19:01:42 GMT
No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. Their story was resolved? So was the krogans. And the Salarians, Turians, Asari and Humans. Doesn't stop us having all of those species back. Maybe you need to accept that this is a Mass Effect game, not a new IP. If they wanted to completely detach it from the original trilogy they would have just made a new franchise. Let's be honest, Andromeda is ultimately set where it is so that they can ignore Mass Effect 3's events without consequence, not because they wanted to give us a completely alien setting. Mass Effect Andromeda is also set where it is so that it can give us a fresh start and new experience without all of the baggage from the previous 3 games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 19:04:51 GMT
I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. You know Bioware has said that they have a plan to include all of the MIlky Way races into Andromeda, right? They may not appear in the vanilla first game, but they have a plan where they can all show up. Just like they planned on creating continuous DLC between ME1 that tells the story leading up to ME2? Lets be honest, if it is fair to say that MEA exist only to ignore ME3's endings, it is also fair to say that Bioware may include Milkyway races cause they know the fan base is too closed minded to accept change. Nostalgia kills creativity.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jan 18, 2017 19:13:31 GMT
No! People just need to accept the fact that this is Andromeda and not the Milkyway. Flooding the Andromeda galaxy with Milkyway races cheapens the aura of discovery and being in a foreign place. Too much famiarity ruins the who whole aspect of being in Andromeda in the first place. It is your type of thinking why we get rehash movies like The Force Awakens because marketers knows that nostalgia is big for people and a cheap way of putting people in seats is to tickle their nostalgic fantasies. The Quarians story was resolved in either direction in ME3. It is time to move on. I hope Bioware sticks to theie guns and does not bring every single sentient race from the trilogy in order to itch your nostalgic dreams. And I mentioned this in another thread, but so far every other species has been confirmed. Quarians fans are the only ones still left hanging, and I think most of us are prepared to be disappointed even if we hope otherwise. Regardless, while fans of other things have been screaming all over the forum about how Bioware sucks or sold out or betrayed their fans because they (maybe) didn't include X, I think we've all been very polite in expressing that hope. Just something I want to point out for all the flack we seem to be getting every time we get excited over some sliver if possibility. As if the turian or asari fans wouldn't be doing the same if their favorite species looked like it might not be in the game. Except maybe they wouldn't be quite so nice about it. This is the problem with the old Bioware, they are to chained to having to provide fan service instead of telling their own story. People wanted to play as other races after DA2 and they included more races. The result? The IQ was very bland becausw the writers had to make his background and purpose very vague because he or she could be either 1 of 4 different races. They should have just kept it to where the IQ was human only. Bioware tends to over correct too much. If a big complaint about MEA is that there werent enough representation from other Milkyway races, then MEA2 will over correct and make it to where Andromeda loses its uniqueness as it essentially becomes a copy and paste of the MW which may affect the original plot. Again, defend all you guys want to but it all boils down to you all being closed minded fans who are still sour that we are not in the Milkyway anymore. This is why media from videogames and movies has lost its creative vibe. Try something different and people complain because it isnt too familiar enough.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Jan 18, 2017 19:19:13 GMT
We're the close-minded ones? Shame on all of us who would like to see Quarians, right.
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Post by fialka on Jan 18, 2017 19:34:43 GMT
And I mentioned this in another thread, but so far every other species has been confirmed. Quarians fans are the only ones still left hanging, and I think most of us are prepared to be disappointed even if we hope otherwise. Regardless, while fans of other things have been screaming all over the forum about how Bioware sucks or sold out or betrayed their fans because they (maybe) didn't include X, I think we've all been very polite in expressing that hope. Just something I want to point out for all the flack we seem to be getting every time we get excited over some sliver if possibility. As if the turian or asari fans wouldn't be doing the same if their favorite species looked like it might not be in the game. Except maybe they wouldn't be quite so nice about it. This is the problem with the old Bioware, they are to chained to having to provide fan service instead of telling their own story. People wanted to play as other races after DA2 and they included more races. The result? The IQ was very bland becausw the writers had to make his background and purpose very vague because he or she could be either 1 of 4 different races. They should have just kept it to where the IQ was human only. Bioware tends to over correct too much. If a big complaint about MEA is that there werent enough representation from other Milkyway races, then MEA2 will over correct and make it to where Andromeda loses its uniqueness as it essentially becomes a copy and paste of the MW which may affect the original plot. Again, defend all you guys want to but it all boils down to you all being closed minded fans who are still sour that we are not in the Milkyway anymore. This is why media from videogames and movies has lost its creative vibe. Try something different and people complain because it isnt too familiar enough. Er, what? I'm not sour that we're not on the Milky Way anymore. In fact, I support the developer's decision to leave it. I actually didn't hate the trilogy's end like most, but do believe they wrote themselves in a corner with it. I'm glad they came up with a solution that means we get a new Mass Effect. And the starting premise of going out into the great unknown is one I love very much. But the fact is (based on what the developers have said, not just my opinion) a large part of what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect is humanity's place among those other species. And those species themselves are iconic to the series. Their culture, backstory, lore, etc. I would argue that without them it would no longer be Mass Effect. It would be a completely unrelated game that just happens to be in space and utilizes the same technology. And the Andromeda Initiative was conceptualized not as a human-only project but as one that features all the council races (and potentially others). I imagine one of the story beats we might see in the game is how our place among those species shifts in the absence of the Council and Milky Way politics and shared threats and unknowns. Can we really leave those old conflicts behind? When Europeans and others began to settle the New World they certainly didn't, and that's as much a part of our history as our clashes with native peoples are. And how do you know the writers themselves aren't attached to those species? How do you know they weren't the ones who felt there was more to their stories? More characters they wanted to write? How do you know that what they really wanted to do was leave all those boring old species behind and just focus on Andromeda ones, if only it weren't for those pesky fans who can't move on? Is loving the thing you created really so terrible if that's the case? And regarding fan-service: even if I think there's times Bioware goes too far with it, is pleasing the fans of the game you made really so unforgivable, when it's your vision they ultimately love and want more of?
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