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Post by linksocarina on Feb 13, 2017 17:24:30 GMT
Optimism is perhaps what the franchise needs right now.
Mass Effect 3 went way overboard with the somber tone to it, although it was appropriate in a lot of ways. All of the trilogy, for that matter, became a pre-cursor to our eventual destruction. Andromeda seems to be pushing back to Mass Effect 1 levels of sort of hijinx- the tone n that game is actually pretty light, sort of a "adventure of the week" kind of deal right up until you meet Sovereign.
I think it's a welcome change. 30 hours of "were gonna die" is hard to swallow twice in a row.
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Post by vanillah on Feb 13, 2017 17:28:46 GMT
Hope so, i'm tired of all the doom and gloom. There's enough of that stuff in real world.
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Post by Sartoz on Feb 13, 2017 17:47:25 GMT
i really hope not, but when i saw the twins and the Asari with the "Zorro" mask i felt a bit disappointed . They re kids. Do not really look soldiers. I was expecting more mature characters on the Shepard line. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
EA/Bio want to appeal to the younger crowd while forgetting the older crowd has the money...
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 18:12:49 GMT
Hope so, i'm tired of all the doom and gloom. There's enough of that stuff in real world. There's a difference between moving away from doom and gloom for more brevity to going full-on kiddy or casual. I think everyone's fine if we went back to the style that ME1 or ME2 had but if we're going to high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting then I'm not sure people will be as satisfied.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 18:15:46 GMT
i really hope not, but when i saw the twins and the Asari with the "Zorro" mask i felt a bit disappointed . They re kids. Do not really look soldiers. I was expecting more mature characters on the Shepard line. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
EA/Bio want to appeal to the younger crowd while forgetting the older crowd has the money... I think it's rather that instead of rebranding their failed devs who could really use a change of career or place to work I think BioWare is attempting to rebrand their fanbase by removing the hangout place BSN from their loyal (but increasingly resentful) fanbase hoping that newcomers will like modern BioWare while the old haters will leave. That way BioWare don't actually have to improve or change themselves in order to make games people like, and they can keep promoting people like Mac or Mike Laidlaw who used to be Lead Writers but failed instead of firing them.
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Post by vanillah on Feb 13, 2017 18:16:24 GMT
Hope so, i'm tired of all the doom and gloom. There's enough of that stuff in real world. There's a difference between moving away from doom and gloom for more brevity to going full-on kiddy or casual. I think everyone's fine if we went back to the style that ME1 or ME2 had but if we're going to high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting then I'm not sure people will be as satisfied. People always be unhappy with something. You can't please everyone. As for me " high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting" sounds perfect.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 13, 2017 18:26:39 GMT
Hope so, i'm tired of all the doom and gloom. There's enough of that stuff in real world. There's a difference between moving away from doom and gloom for more brevity to going full-on kiddy or casual. I think everyone's fine if we went back to the style that ME1 or ME2 had but if we're going to high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting then I'm not sure people will be as satisfied. I think ME1 hit that note rather perfectly. I would be super satisfied if this game captures the feel of that game.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 18:31:15 GMT
There's a difference between moving away from doom and gloom for more brevity to going full-on kiddy or casual. I think everyone's fine if we went back to the style that ME1 or ME2 had but if we're going to high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting then I'm not sure people will be as satisfied. People always be unhappy with something. You can't please everyone. As for me " high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting" sounds perfect. If you don't care about the story then sure. If you do care about having a good RPG WITH a good plot then having a story with no tension or conflict is like shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by Muddy Boots on Feb 13, 2017 18:45:35 GMT
Agree with you on all points. I have no doubt that there will be some dark, sad, frightening moments for our Ryder. Imagine being 22, still wet behind the ears, and having to fill the role that was meant for your hero father. The her who earned his N7 designation through his own trial by fire. The hero who was in the first human crew to enter the Charon relay. And you have to take that man's job and do well. That alone would cause most people some severe anxiety. No doubt the young pathfinder will make some serious mistakes, maybe even with tragic consequences. Hopefully he/she will have the wisdom to listen to advisors on the crew. I do think that the pathfinder will still keep a sense of humor and fun, as will the rest of the crew, which will also help keep the tone lighter. One thing that I'm a (little) bit concerned about is that they will do the same with Ryder that they did with Shepard in ME3. That they will make ryder feel like he must succeed and make him feel insecure and such. I don't mind that some people want that, but I don't really want my Ryder to be nervous and things because he became in charge. Not saying that you are saying that, it was just something that came to mind when I read your post. I understand. And I agree that it would be bad if we see our Ryder as a bundle of nerves. I don't think that will be the case, though. I do think Ryder's going to feel some pressure. Anyone in a position of leadership does, but I think Ryder is young enough and maybe a bit cocky enough to figure they could handle it for the most part. Though maybe after a not-so-perfect mission, alone in those luxury quarters, the doubts might surface, but we won't necessarily see them. I'm sure even Shepard had doubts during even some of the simplest things. But for the most part, the Ryders have been raised by a heroic N7 and probably from the time they were weaned were exposed to all sorts of things most kids aren't. That would help give them the confidence to lead, even though they might not quite be ready for it. They'll also have a lot of support from good people. I didn't take your post as an insult or criticism, by the way.
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Post by vanillah on Feb 13, 2017 18:45:42 GMT
People always be unhappy with something. You can't please everyone. As for me " high-fantasy sci-fi land where nothing is really that daunting" sounds perfect. If you don't care about the story then sure. If you do care about having a good RPG WITH a good plot then having a story with no tension or conflict is like shooting yourself in the foot. Oh look a story telling master is here, showing us lowly plebs how story should be written /s. Wrong, you can create good stories without much tension or conflict. Trails in the Sky FC is one of the best written J-RPG in a while and that doesn't really have tension at all and it's light on conflict too. I enjoyed it immensely. Saying that the story must be written only a certain way and everybody else that think different just doesn't care about the story in game IS shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by nijisakura on Feb 13, 2017 18:53:53 GMT
It's just a bit strange playing someone that is younger than me, I would have preferred to just know they're in their 20s but that's it (kind of break the immersion to me). The pathfinder crew is like the face of humanity if you think about it, they're the ones that are meeting new species, discovering new places etc.. So I would think they'd put people a little tiny bit older, more experienced in charge.
Not saying they aren't experienced, we've seen in the little bios that they've been in the Alliance and all, but not for long really and as far as we know, don't have really outstanding achievements to put on their resumes. Would they even be there if it wasn't for their father? Oh well like many said before, we'll just have to wait and see.. Too many questions.
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Post by Cyonan on Feb 13, 2017 18:59:10 GMT
It's just a bit strange playing someone that is younger than me, I would have preferred to just know they're in their 20s but that's it (kind of break the immersion to me). The pathfinder crew is like the face of humanity if you think about it, they're the ones that are meeting new species, discovering new places etc.. So I would think they'd put people a little tiny bit older, more experienced in charge. Not saying they aren't experienced, we've seen in the little bios that they've been in the Alliance and all, but not for long really and as far as we know, don't have really outstanding achievements to put on their resumes. Would they even be there if it wasn't for their father? Oh well like many said before, we'll just have to wait and see.. Too many questions. Well from what we know it seems like they actually did put the older people in charge(specifically our character's dad) but then bad things happen and we have to assume the role of the Pathfinder. I just hope that in taking up the mantle we earn it on the merits of our own actions rather than some arbitrary thing that makes us special, like the mark in Inquisition made us special.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:04:02 GMT
It's just a bit strange playing someone that is younger than me, I would have preferred to just know they're in their 20s but that's it (kind of break the immersion to me). If you continue gaming much longer, I can assure you that you'll become accustomed to it.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 19:12:29 GMT
This is a concern of mine, Shepard deserved everything that he got in the trilogy. First human spectre was something he deserved. A 22 year old security guard that gets everything handed to them is not appealing, but I trust in bioware to make something up so that it works better than I see it in my head. You know, I think this is BioWare showing us they've learned from their mistakes. "Man, the villain in DA:I sucked, we completely overpowered him and he never did anything to hurt us." BioWare: "Huh, we need to fix that next time. We should definitely make the protagonist weaker next time!"
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 13, 2017 19:21:59 GMT
This is a concern of mine, Shepard deserved everything that he got in the trilogy. First human spectre was something he deserved. A 22 year old security guard that gets everything handed to them is not appealing, but I trust in bioware to make something up so that it works better than I see it in my head. You know, I think this is BioWare showing us they've learned from their mistakes. "Man, the villain in DA:I sucked, we completely overpowered him and he never did anything to hurt us." BioWare: "Huh, we need to fix that next time. We should definitely make the protagonist weaker next time!Well, The problem back then wasn't that we were weaker then Corypheus, but the fact that they didn't write the latter in plots as a serious threat. If they did, there wouldn't have been a problem. Same with the Archon. Beside, it's not that the difference between Shepard and Ryder has to be that great. They're still soldiers. It's not like in DA, where you can create characters with demigod powers that are stronger then previous protagonists. It'll be crucial in any way how the handle the passage of power and the growth of Ryder.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 19:25:06 GMT
If you don't care about the story then sure. If you do care about having a good RPG WITH a good plot then having a story with no tension or conflict is like shooting yourself in the foot. Oh look a story telling master is here, showing us lowly plebs how story should be written /s. Wrong, you can create good stories without much tension or conflict. Trails in the Sky FC is one of the best written J-RPG in a while and that doesn't really have tension at all and it's light on conflict too. I enjoyed it immensely. Saying that the story must be written only a certain way and everybody else that think different just doesn't care about the story in game IS shooting yourself in the foot. Let's just agree to disagree
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 13, 2017 19:27:07 GMT
You know, I think this is BioWare showing us they've learned from their mistakes. "Man, the villain in DA:I sucked, we completely overpowered him and he never did anything to hurt us." BioWare: "Huh, we need to fix that next time. We should definitely make the protagonist weaker next time!Well, The problem back then wasn't that we were weaker then Corypheus, but the fact that they didn't write the latter in plots as a serious threat. If they did, there wouldn't have been a problem. Same with the Archon. Beside, it's not that the difference between Shepard and Ryder has to be that great. They're still soldiers. It's not like in DA, where you can create characters with demigod powers that are stronger then previous protagonists. It'll be crucial in any way how the handle the passage of power and the growth of Ryder. That is certainly true. I really hope they know how to handle it but it seems ever since their first N7-day stream that this has been something they paid extra attention to, as they've talked about this "creating a guy who becomes the hero but isn't already proven"
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Post by vanillah on Feb 13, 2017 19:27:48 GMT
Oh look a story telling master is here, showing us lowly plebs how story should be written /s. Wrong, you can create good stories without much tension or conflict. Trails in the Sky FC is one of the best written J-RPG in a while and that doesn't really have tension at all and it's light on conflict too. I enjoyed it immensely. Saying that the story must be written only a certain way and everybody else that think different just doesn't care about the story in game IS shooting yourself in the foot. Let's just agree to disagree Yeah, let's.
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Post by Element Zero on Feb 13, 2017 19:36:19 GMT
It's just a bit strange playing someone that is younger than me, I would have preferred to just know they're in their 20s but that's it (kind of break the immersion to me). The pathfinder crew is like the face of humanity if you think about it, they're the ones that are meeting new species, discovering new places etc.. So I would think they'd put people a little tiny bit older, more experienced in charge. Not saying they aren't experienced, we've seen in the little bios that they've been in the Alliance and all, but not for long really and as far as we know, don't have really outstanding achievements to put on their resumes. Would they even be there if it wasn't for their father? Oh well like many said before, we'll just have to wait and see.. Too many questions. The older you get, the more often this will happen. You may as well get used to it, I guess. Soon, you'll have bosses who are younger, congressmen, and eventually Presidents younger than yourself. Consider this training. (And adjust the above references to fit your national/cultural structure.) Young people do a lot of the heavy lifting, in the real world. Shepard was about my age when the OT launched. He barely aged during the course of the story, spending a big part of the timeline dead, so I outpaced him in years. I continue to play the OT years later. Shepard isn't the only protagonist I enjoy leading through adventures. When I was a kid, they were all older than I. Now, they're mostly younger than I. I rarely think about it. I'm sure the young Pathfinder will grow into his/her role. The Ryder twins are young adults, not teens. They've already served in the Alliance, and apparently had "special training" from dad, whatever that means. They've been trained with eventual Pathfinder service in mind. In the real world, SpecOps is full of guys this age, and wars are fought by men and women even younger. Companies employ managers this age. Things get done. It will be fine.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 13, 2017 20:08:20 GMT
Even though the Reapers had to enter the galaxy the old-fashioned way, they could have stayed in FTL until they reached the Citadel and hit it with their entire armada, ensuring its capture and lock down the Mass Relay Array just like every other cycle since their creation. The only reason they don't is because we wouldn't have had a game otherwise so Bioware had to give the Reapers the Idiot Ball. Well, approaching the Citadel via FTL is said to be difficult because of the nebula, per the Codex. Also, to some extent I think there is a general problem with the lore. The way space travel and weapon techs are set up, single targets are not really defensible. Perhaps, but we know the Reapers can do it since they do it near the end of the game. And despite having the Citadel at the end, they still don't close the Mass Relay Array. I guess they decided to give the galaxy a sporting chance with that final battle.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 20:15:12 GMT
While PeeBee looks on the young side, other companions do not, and the two Ryders are as mature or as juvenile as you'd make/imagine them.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 13, 2017 20:16:48 GMT
Oh look a story telling master is here, showing us lowly plebs how story should be written /s. Wrong, you can create good stories without much tension or conflict. Trails in the Sky FC is one of the best written J-RPG in a while and that doesn't really have tension at all and it's light on conflict too. I enjoyed it immensely. Saying that the story must be written only a certain way and everybody else that think different just doesn't care about the story in game IS shooting yourself in the foot. Let's just agree to disagree I'm disappointed that you didn't respond with a pic of Oh You guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 20:39:28 GMT
"Childish", no. Light-hearted is a much better term, as others have already said.
I really don't get the mindset that something being dark is automatically mature. That's how you end up with Shadow the Hedgehog, guys. We don't want Shadow the Hedgehog. Besides, it's not like everything is going to be perfect. As far as the crew in Andromeda is concerned, they're the last humans in the galaxy. If they're killed while exploring, or by the Kett or something similar, their species is essentially wiped out, at least in the galaxy they're in. That's pretty dark.
And considering the other galaxy is 600 years away, Andromeda is the only one that matters.
That being said, being explorers up against a hostile alien army is even more threatening than being a well-trained army themselves. They're under equipped, out-gunned, out-manned, and outclassed. It'll make overcoming that all the more satisfying, right?
At least, that's what I'm hoping for. As a big anime nerd, I like having unassuming protagonists who are thrust into extremely taxing situations more than I like having hardass war heroes as a main character. It's a very tried and true storytelling technique to have your main character be someone who isn't well versed in everything they do. They have to grow and learn. Shepard, for all intents and purposes, doesn't have to change in order to do what he needs to do. The Ryders need to mature. That's honestly an objectively better model with which to start a strong character arc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 20:48:48 GMT
'When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.'
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Post by dagless on Feb 13, 2017 22:06:03 GMT
'When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.'C. S. Lewis Excellent quote. Have to say I agree. Not all the time perhaps, but I don't worry about things I enjoy anymore. I don't really get the premise of the thread though. The ME series wasn't adult due it having a big galaxy wide threat. You wouldn't say Independence Day was a more mature film than Touching the Void or the Motorcycle Diaries, which focus on exploration and adventure. And anyone thinking a young lead character makes something childish clearly hasn't seen Pan's Labyrinth.
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