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Post by rivverrabbit on Feb 20, 2017 16:14:02 GMT
I see a lot of bellyaching here and on reddit, and on a couple of facebook groups I'm in, and on twitter, and a lot of it is super-hostile. Funnily enough, in these same spaces I always see a lot of complaints about the original trilogy. But when it comes to Andromeda, the original trilogy is some perfect ideal held up with reverence, and where Andromeda strays from its formula is nothing but folly.
(nevermind that in the case of both the Mass Effect and Dragon Age trilogies, Bioware's comparable big game series of the last decade, all three games are different beasts from one another, and the very same people who say they changed for the worse as the series went on also seem to agree that the first entries are clunky messes)
Andromeda isn't ME4.
Andromeda is like a soft reboot. It's a new game, potentially a new series, that leverages lore and design decisions made and learned from in the last one in order to revamp things for the future. Think of it not as a sequel that must build off the back of its predecessors but more as a newly designed IP, which has been built from the ground up to be better and more fun. It is inspired by Mass Effect in much the same way as it can also take gameplay or even lore inspiration from other successful franchises -- Destiny, Warframe, Witcher, etc.
You think tech armor should be an identical power in this game, like they owe it to you somehow? The tactical pause wheel is vital to this game? Every biotic power, pull, lift, throw, should return, exactly the same? The running and jumping (or lack thereof) and cover should be the same?
Incorrect.
This is a new game, and they're not constrained by the same design decisions. They can redesign old ideas to be better. They have decided that a faster-paced game with only three active powers at a time is objectively more enjoyable and fits better with the kind of game they want this to be -- and there is nothing wrong with that.
That's why powers are being revamped and certain things are being folded into one another. That's why Warp is now being remade into something better. Why barrier is now a passive boost. Why there are no strict classes. They're taking another crack at old ideas, free from old shackles that they were stuck with through the whole trilogy -- and that's incredibly exciting.
If you're upset that it's not the same, well, yeah. It's not supposed to be the same. They owe us nothing, certainly not adherence to old, dated design decisions that are arguably poorer than the new alternatives we're seeing here.
I think we should all keep that in mind.
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Post by derrame on Feb 20, 2017 16:24:56 GMT
exactly, this game has no connection to the milky way story or Sheaprd, or reapers or characters, it's a new start a new adventure in a new galaxy, period it's ok to start anew, (after the awful me3 ending )
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 20, 2017 16:26:50 GMT
Thanks for the topic, Reddit user!
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 16:34:57 GMT
Technically, I think it's mass effect 5 tbh
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Post by mmoblitz on Feb 20, 2017 16:36:31 GMT
I see a lot of bellyaching here and on reddit, and on a couple of facebook groups I'm in, and on twitter, and a lot of it is super-hostile. Funnily enough, in these same spaces I always see a lot of complaints about the original trilogy. But when it comes to Andromeda, the original trilogy is some perfect ideal held up with reverence, and where Andromeda strays from its formula is nothing but folly. (nevermind that in the case of both the Mass Effect and Dragon Age trilogies, Bioware's comparable big game series of the last decade, all three games are different beasts from one another, and the very same people who say they changed for the worse as the series went on also seem to agree that the first entries are clunky messes) Andromeda isn't ME4. Andromeda is like a soft reboot. It's a new game, potentially a new series, that leverages lore and design decisions made and learned from in the last one in order to revamp things for the future. Think of it not as a sequel that must build off the back of its predecessors but more as a newly designed IP, which has been built from the ground up to be better and more fun. It is inspired by Mass Effect in much the same way as it can also take gameplay or even lore inspiration from other successful franchises -- Destiny, Warframe, Witcher, etc. You think tech armor should be an identical power in this game, like they owe it to you somehow? The tactical pause wheel is vital to this game? Every biotic power, pull, lift, throw, should return, exactly the same? The running and jumping (or lack thereof) and cover should be the same? Incorrect. This is a new game, and they're not constrained by the same design decisions. They can redesign old ideas to be better. They have decided that a faster-paced game with only three active powers at a time is objectively more enjoyable and fits better with the kind of game they want this to be -- and there is nothing wrong with that. That's why powers are being revamped and certain things are being folded into one another. That's why Warp is now being remade into something better. Why barrier is now a passive boost. Why there are no strict classes. They're taking another crack at old ideas, free from old shackles that they were stuck with through the whole trilogy -- and that's incredibly exciting. If you're upset that it's not the same, well, yeah. It's not supposed to be the same. They owe us nothing, certainly not adherence to old, dated design decisions that are arguably poorer than the new alternatives we're seeing here. I think we should all keep that in mind. You want everyone to see it for a new game and not have any expectations for prior mass effect games? Then maybe they shouldn't have Mass Effect in the game title.
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Post by crom on Feb 20, 2017 16:37:36 GMT
Well say what you will, i hope it doesn't throw all lore to the curb, and it really does need to connect with the milky way to tell back story before they left on the trip...
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 20, 2017 16:45:43 GMT
They have decided that a faster-paced game with only three active powers at a time is objectively more enjoyable and fits better with the kind of game they want this to be -- and there is nothing wrong with that. It's streamlined casual-pandering bullshit. I don't care what you've 'observed' somewhere, no one here holds the original trilogy up as flawless. But they did certain things right and it remains to be seen whether MEA can build on that. They had to go to another galaxy because they fucked themselves so hard with their stupid multi-colored endings. You sound like a shill by the way.
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Post by 10k on Feb 20, 2017 16:45:45 GMT
You want everyone to see it for a new game and not have any expectations for prior mass effect games? Then maybe they shouldn't have Mass Effect in the game title. My god exactly!! It's like so many people think they should ignore the established lore and backstory of the previous games. But this game is still called Mass Effect. Backstory and lore that has already been established should not be ignored. It's based in the same universe. Basic rules should not be forgotten.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 16:59:39 GMT
You want everyone to see it for a new game and not have any expectations for prior mass effect games? Then maybe they shouldn't have Mass Effect in the game title. My god exactly!! It's like so many people think they should ignore the established lore and backstory of the previous games. But this game is still called Mass Effect. Backstory and lore that has already been established should not be ignored. It's based in the same universe. Basic rules should not be forgotten. Beaten to it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 17:03:11 GMT
Technically, I think it's mass effect 5 tbh I don't get it.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 17:04:38 GMT
Technically, I think it's mass effect 5 tbh I don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 17:07:32 GMT
I don't get it. ah, OK. I don't have a 'smart'-device, so I wasn't even aware that such a thing existed.
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Post by napoleon on Feb 20, 2017 17:08:42 GMT
rivverrabbit makes a interesting well reasoned post and argues his view politely. Gets called a shill and gets hostile responses.
Ugh. Nice job BSN. Way to demonstrate maturity and the ability to hold reasonable discussion.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 20, 2017 17:38:23 GMT
rivverrabbit makes a interesting well reasoned post and argues his view politely. Gets called a shill and gets hostile responses. Ugh. Nice job BSN. Way to demonstrate maturity and the ability to hold reasonable discussion. it's the way sites like this work hadn't you noticed? But I do agree with what some are saying some of the things they're doing aer making me question a little bit if it's a true ME game. I still think I like it but the fact it's not linked to the trilogy other than being part of the same universe is in part a relief as well because if I don't end up liking it I can simply ignore it. I don't think it'll come to that though.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 18:09:41 GMT
Technically, I think it's mass effect 5 tbh I don't get it. I thought it was like Windows 10. Get as far away from Windows 8 as you can, so skip the 9
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 18:16:58 GMT
rivverrabbit makes a interesting well reasoned post and argues his view politely. Gets called a shill and gets hostile responses. Ugh. Nice job BSN. Way to demonstrate maturity and the ability to hold reasonable discussion. Only one person called OP a shill. The rest of the responses have been pretty mild, and certainly not hostile. The unfortunate fact of the matter is ME3 is going to be an elephant in the room when it comes to MEA.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 20, 2017 18:19:15 GMT
ah, OK. I don't have a 'smart'-device, so I wasn't even aware that such a thing existed. Coolest thing about it was that it had an add-on story where you played as a turian. rivverrabbit makes a interesting well reasoned post and argues his view politely. Gets called a shill and gets hostile responses. Ugh. Nice job BSN. Way to demonstrate maturity and the ability to hold reasonable discussion. Only one person called OP a shill. The rest of the responses have been pretty mild, and certainly not hostile. The unfortunate fact of the matter is ME3 is going to be an elephant in the room when it comes to MEA. ME3 will forever be the elephant in the room until you let it go like many of us have. It's no use to keep holding BioWare or Andromeda up to how and why the ending doesn't make sense or ruined everything and you actively refuse to buy any canonical events that are created since ME3 and onwards. If that's the way you think about Mass Effect now you're not going to change your mind, not even after Andromeda takes you to an entirely different setting. It's best just to accept ME3 as a mistake if you hate it (like me) and accept that there's a big splotch in the middle of the lore that will continue to not make sense, but hopefully will never be touched upon again anyways. EDIT: Someone please fix the weird auto-spacing when you merge quotes from BB to preview.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 18:30:19 GMT
They have been pretty clear from the get-go that they are trying to capture the "feel" of the first game. It remains to be seen if they can deliver on that front, but as someone who quite liked Inquisition and who is largely at peace with the updated ending to ME3, Bioware hasn't given me much reason to not trust them. I know plenty of people disagree and that's okay; but for me, Bioware has yet to truly disappoint me so I don't have as much anxiety about MEA as others.
Possible spoilers for an old, unrelated film: I get the sense Andromeda will be The Force Awakens of the franchise. Basically a soft reboot that reintroduces people to the franchise and doesn't take too many story risks in order to build a firm foundation for new products going forward. If it can recapture the feeling of meeting new aliens and exploring strange planets while presenting it in a sleek, relaxing aesthetic, I will consider it a success on that front.
Slightly off-topic, but I do hope the color palette in MEA is reminiscent of the first Mass Effect. That game was very blue, while ME2 was very orange. ME3 was just vibrant but without the sense that there was a visual style they were going for. I love the first game because it was always felt strangely relaxing even in the middle of a firefight. I attribute that to the game's coloration, design, and music.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Feb 20, 2017 18:36:40 GMT
I don't get it. Actually it's technically Mass Effect 6.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 18:38:47 GMT
]ME3 will forever be the elephant in the room until you let it go like many of us have. It's no use to keep holding BioWare or Andromeda up to how and why the ending doesn't make sense or ruined everything and you actively refuse to buy any canonical events that are created since ME3 and onwards. If that's the way you think about Mass Effect now you're not going to change your mind, not even after Andromeda takes you to an entirely different setting. It's best just to accept ME3 as a mistake if you hate it (like me) and accept that there's a big splotch in the middle of the lore that will continue to not make sense, but hopefully will never be touched upon again anyways. EDIT: Someone please fix the weird auto-spacing when you merge quotes from BB to preview. This is the first Mass Effect game since ME3. The elephant has not left the building. This is, in fact, the game that will define where the series goes from there. Trepidation is only to be expected
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Feb 20, 2017 18:42:27 GMT
True that, true that. Though, in my book it can't be subverted, only averted. If Andromeda fails to mention anything related to the endings, not even some lame pat on the back by a dialogue John Dombrow has written that goes something like "Don't worry Pathfinder, at least you won't have to choose between three colours! ", then it will succeed in apologising the franchise from the taint of ME3. I'm serious. Even if they make inside jokes about the ending, they'll fail. It's still a sensitive thing, and not something they're forgiven of they can just play around with because time has passed, just something they'll have to move forward with whilist doing better next time.
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Post by PermTrouble on Feb 20, 2017 18:48:54 GMT
Actually it's technically Mass Effect 6. The plot thickens
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Post by Cypher on Feb 20, 2017 18:54:31 GMT
It's the fourth core gaming experience Mass Effect game. It has humans, asari, biotics, turians, Krogan, salarians, mass effect fields, and ftl. It has the mattock.
It's Mass Effect 4.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Feb 20, 2017 18:58:18 GMT
My god exactly!! It's like so many people think they should ignore the established lore and backstory of the previous games. But this game is still called Mass Effect. Backstory and lore that has already been established should not be ignored. It's based in the same universe. Basic rules should not be forgotten.
Beaten to it!Likewise.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2017 19:19:27 GMT
You want everyone to see it for a new game and not have any expectations for prior mass effect games? Then maybe they shouldn't have Mass Effect in the game title. My god exactly!! It's like so many people think they should ignore the established lore and backstory of the previous games. But this game is still called Mass Effect. Backstory and lore that has already been established should not be ignored. It's based in the same universe. Basic rules should not be forgotten. and bioware aren't ignoring their basic rules. Seems they are taking great care to preserve their story and other consultancies. ]ME3 will forever be the elephant in the room until you let it go like many of us have. It's no use to keep holding BioWare or Andromeda up to how and why the ending doesn't make sense or ruined everything and you actively refuse to buy any canonical events that are created since ME3 and onwards. If that's the way you think about Mass Effect now you're not going to change your mind, not even after Andromeda takes you to an entirely different setting. It's best just to accept ME3 as a mistake if you hate it (like me) and accept that there's a big splotch in the middle of the lore that will continue to not make sense, but hopefully will never be touched upon again anyways. EDIT: Someone please fix the weird auto-spacing when you merge quotes from BB to preview. This is the first Mass Effect game since ME3. The elephant has not left the building. This is, in fact, the game that will define where the series goes from there. Trepidation is only to be expected i think for most people that elephant has truly left the building. Fine maybe the tail has yet to depart. But most of us really don't think and expect that bioware owes us much of anything, in regards to the ending. It's the fourth core gaming experience Mass Effect game. It has humans, asari, biotics, turians, Krogan, salarians, mass effect fields, and ftl. It has the mattock. It's Mass Effect 4. not really. This is exactly the stuff the SWs universe is going through. You have your main story (episodes 1-7) then you have unrelated tv shows in the same universe. And then you have things like Rogue One which are not episodes but tell their own story. Or Stargate with sg1 and SGA. Or Star Trek. Or Babylon 5. I could go on.
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