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Post by Cypher on Feb 20, 2017 19:28:00 GMT
not really. This is exactly the stuff the SWs universe is going through. You have your main story (episodes 1-7) then you have unrelated tv shows in the same universe. And then you have things like Rogue One which are not episodes but tell their own story. Or Stargate with sg1 and SGA. Or Star Trek. Or Babylon 5. I could go on. I factor in all of the Star Wars stuff, too. Clone Wars is Star Wars 7 even though it's not Episode VII, etc. And beside the fact that Andromeda's success could see all of the next games taking place in Andromeda versus the Milky Way, , it's likely that Mass Effect 5 won't have a number in the title to begin with. So for all intents, ME:A is ME4. And Andromeda is more of a parallel s story than it is a side story; more akin to a connected comic book universe like Marvel or DC.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2017 19:32:30 GMT
not really. This is exactly the stuff the SWs universe is going through. You have your main story (episodes 1-7) then you have unrelated tv shows in the same universe. And then you have things like Rogue One which are not episodes but tell their own story. Or Stargate with sg1 and SGA. Or Star Trek. Or Babylon 5. I could go on. I factor in all of the Star Wars stuff, too. Clone Wars is Star Wars 7 even though it's not Episode VII, etc. And beside the fact that Andromeda's success could see all of the next games taking place in Andromeda versus the Milky Way, , it's likely that Mass Effect 5 won't have a number in the title to begin with. So for all intents, ME:A is ME4. And Andromeda is more of a parallel s story than it is a side story; more akin to a connected comic book universe like Marvel or DC. oh i agree. But if they called it Me 4 I think a lot of people would be like "oh Shepard is coming back" oh bioware will do something with the endings and save us from their horribleness. But putting the title Andromeda should make very clear that's not happening.
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 20, 2017 19:36:59 GMT
What makes it Mass Effect? Great characters, story, exploration and lore (and good gameplay.) Mostly those are Bioware bullet points for all their games. Mass effect is obviously Sci-Fi as well.
Of course the old lore and tech will come into play here, since it is the same universe. Element Zero isn't going away. We know Krogan, Asari, Turians and Salarians are in it as well. So not sure how much of a soft-reboot it is while keeping a lot of the hallmarks. Just no Shepard, no Reapers, totally different galaxy. Stakes may not be as high but will still be Mass Effect.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 20, 2017 19:37:15 GMT
It's Mass Effect 3.78654321 Final Chapter Prologue 385/2 Sequel
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Post by jastall on Feb 20, 2017 19:39:15 GMT
I really don't see how Andromeda is such a break in the formula. Sure, the ability to switch galaxy is a bit far-reaching in terms of the available technology in the Milky Way, but it's still less stupid than the Lazarus Project, or half the stuff that happens in ME3. The endings were a massive blunder, and they got away from them in the most permanent fashion they could find. It's a bit clunky, but I figure they could make it work.
Or are the complaints in the gameplay department? Because 1) the series's gameplay has changed quite a lot with each installment even within the trilogy and 2) Andromeda seems to basically be ME3 with jetpacks when it comes to gameplay. It's less drastic a change than going from ME1 to ME2.
I dunno. I fail to see how someone could look at what we've got so far and say that it's not Mass Effect unless they got a very rigid definition.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 19:40:28 GMT
What makes it Mass Effect? Great characters, story, exploration and lore (and good gameplay.) Then I guess Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Fallout: New Vegas and BG2 are all Mass Effect games
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Post by Nightlife on Feb 20, 2017 19:44:01 GMT
What makes it Mass Effect? Great characters, story, exploration and lore (and good gameplay.) Then I guess Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Fallout: New Vegas and BG2 are all Mass Effect games I said Sci-Fi too -I'll add cinematic camera, decision points, navigating in a spaceship and romancing characters to the formula.
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Post by 10k on Feb 20, 2017 19:51:01 GMT
and bioware aren't ignoring their basic rules. Seems they are taking great care to preserve their story and other consultancies. Really? Even though it was a few small moments in one of the trailers, it seemed pretty weird that some of the new aliens could comprehend what Ryder was saying and Ryder can do the same. Not only that one of them, used the term Pathfinder as if they already knew the meaning behind the word. But I'm looking forward to see if EAware will actually explain how these aliens understand the MW species. I wonder if every one of these new species acquired a translator and have access to the MW public extranet to obtain the MW species' language translations or do they just know the trade tongue that was developed in the MW? Edit: Also here is a snippet of information from the codex that I found interesting: Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them. So now I'm really wondering how they're going to explain this. I predict they won't LOL.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2017 19:56:22 GMT
and bioware aren't ignoring their basic rules. Seems they are taking great care to preserve their story and other consultancies. Really? Even though it was a few small moments in one of the trailers, it seemed pretty weird that some of the new aliens could comprehend what Ryder was saying and Ryder can do the same. Not only that one of them, used the term Pathfinder as if they already knew the meaning behind the word. But I'm looking forward to see if EAware will actually explain how these aliens understand the MW species. I wonder if every one of these new species acquired a translator and have access to the MW public extranet to obtain the MW species' language translations or do they just know the trade tongue that was developed in the MW? we know that the Hyperion is later then the other arcs maybe by years. Or the Angarra have heard rumors about this new group and have quietly began investigating.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 20, 2017 19:58:02 GMT
and bioware aren't ignoring their basic rules. Seems they are taking great care to preserve their story and other consultancies. Really? Even though it was a few small moments in one of the trailers, it seemed pretty weird that some of the new aliens could comprehend what Ryder was saying and Ryder can do the same. Not only that one of them, used the term Pathfinder as if they already knew the meaning behind the word. But I'm looking forward to see if EAware will actually explain how these aliens understand the MW species. I wonder if every one of these new species acquired a translator and have access to the MW public extranet to obtain the MW species' language translations or do they just know the trade tongue that was developed in the MW? I think we'll find out in the codex some about the first contact with the Andromeda Species. Remember, there is a time gap between the time the Nexus and everyone else arrives and the time the Hyperion Ark arrives to the Helios cluster. Something went wrong traveling there for us. I think the interactions with the Kett and Angara happen before we ever come in contact with them so they don't have to show the whole first language barrier. I'm sure there will be some lost in translation though.
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Post by Lawrence0294 on Feb 20, 2017 20:01:59 GMT
I feel like I've seen this post somewhere else....
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 20, 2017 20:05:56 GMT
Mass Effect 4? I thought we were here to discuss Witcher in Space.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 20, 2017 20:26:10 GMT
and bioware aren't ignoring their basic rules. Seems they are taking great care to preserve their story and other consultancies. Really? Even though it was a few small moments in one of the trailers, it seemed pretty weird that some of the new aliens could comprehend what Ryder was saying and Ryder can do the same. Not only that one of them, used the term Pathfinder as if they already knew the meaning behind the word. But I'm looking forward to see if EAware will actually explain how these aliens understand the MW species. I wonder if every one of these new species acquired a translator and have access to the MW public extranet to obtain the MW species' language translations or do they just know the trade tongue that was developed in the MW? Edit: Also here is a snippet of information from the codex that I found interesting: Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them. So now I'm really wondering how they're going to explain this. I predict they won't LOL. Heck they can go back in time and replace heat sinks with thermal clips on derelict spacecraft. Teaching an entire galaxy our language should be a piece of cake!
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2017 20:33:17 GMT
Really? Even though it was a few small moments in one of the trailers, it seemed pretty weird that some of the new aliens could comprehend what Ryder was saying and Ryder can do the same. Not only that one of them, used the term Pathfinder as if they already knew the meaning behind the word. But I'm looking forward to see if EAware will actually explain how these aliens understand the MW species. I wonder if every one of these new species acquired a translator and have access to the MW public extranet to obtain the MW species' language translations or do they just know the trade tongue that was developed in the MW? Edit: Also here is a snippet of information from the codex that I found interesting: Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them. So now I'm really wondering how they're going to explain this. I predict they won't LOL. Heck they can go back in time and replace heat sinks with thermal clips on derelict spacecraft. Teaching an entire galaxy our language should be a piece of cake! problem in the OT as well. And frankly the lore behind thermal clips has always been wonky. The idea was that thermal clips were supposed to be more powerful then their older weapons. Yet the Lancer cut through enemies like a hot rock through tissue paper.
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 20, 2017 20:39:39 GMT
It kinda is. Or, at least, It's as much ME4 and Inquisition was DA3.
I don't think the setting changes ultimately stemmed from a desire to reboot the series, but because ME3 left them with no other choice, and gameplay doesn't seem more different between Andromeda and ME3 than ME1 and ME2.
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Post by JokeDealer on Feb 20, 2017 20:41:42 GMT
* SNIP SNIP SNIPADELPHIA * Usually I would agree with you on all fronts. There's a good portion of gamers who look for any excuse to complain and it pisses me off. Should we expect Andromeda to be exactly like previous games? No! Hell, people want Andromeda to change things, but Bioware will get bitched at if they change too much. There's no winning. However, Andromeda is a Mass Effect game. This isn't an entirely new game, nor is it a new series. It's the next installment in the franchise. Just by having the Mass Effect name, there are certain expectations attached to it. We expect it to be set in space, for it to have aliens, and for it to follow most of the same rules established by previous lore. Is this an opportunity to change things? Without a doubt, but we have to decide what is quintessentially Mass Effect. What aspects of the game help us identify it as a Mass Effect game, even if we were to only see the game and not the title?
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Post by Cypher on Feb 20, 2017 20:43:05 GMT
I factor in all of the Star Wars stuff, too. Clone Wars is Star Wars 7 even though it's not Episode VII, etc. And beside the fact that Andromeda's success could see all of the next games taking place in Andromeda versus the Milky Way, , it's likely that Mass Effect 5 won't have a number in the title to begin with. So for all intents, ME:A is ME4. And Andromeda is more of a parallel s story than it is a side story; more akin to a connected comic book universe like Marvel or DC. oh i agree. But if they called it Me 4 I think a lot of people would be like "oh Shepard is coming back" oh bioware will do something with the endings and save us from their horribleness. But putting the title Andromeda should make very clear that's not happening. I don't think that's necessarily true; a number means that they're forwarding the narrative in some form, but it doesn't mean that X character is slated to come back. One through three were about Shepard, the Mass Effect itself is about a shared universe space where Bioware--and now EA--can build a franchise with the scope of that of Marvel or Star Wars, so anything that comes out can overlap, dovetail, or flashback as they so choose because it's not all about one person. After all, people were thinking Shepard was going to come back even knowing the name of the game was Mass Effect Andromeda, just like they were assuming that main trilogy characters would be making appearances in spite of the game taking place 600 years in the future in an entirely different galaxy. Hell, I'm willing to bet that someone will actually play the game, beat the game, and then post online somewhere wondering where the hell Shepard and Tali are. After all, people played Metal Gear Solid 3, a game that explicitly stated and demonstrated that it took place in 1964, referenced the main character as being named Jack, had him talk about cloning in a negative light, and went on to wonder how Solid Snake stayed young until 2005 when Metal Gear Solid 1 took place. People are going to derp out regardless.
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Post by jpcab on Feb 20, 2017 20:46:43 GMT
It is not Mass Effect 4? But it is Mass Effect right? At least i hope so. Just do not forget one thing.Shepard is Mass Effect. Cuz ME was not just a game.It was a story with a soul...and Shepard story was the soul of ME
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Post by ProbeAway on Feb 20, 2017 21:12:55 GMT
You're half right, OP. BW can do whatever the hell they want. It's their game. And way too many people seem to want to complain about everything they see because apparently it's cool to hate on BW (not so much here, tho).
But if they want to call it Mass Effect then people will have certain expectations about the game. I'm one of those people who has expressed disappointment at the lack of warp (or even reave or dark channel) and the apparent removal of the power wheel/tactical pause. And nothing you say changes the fact that I'm entitled to be disappointed about the removal of two things that were very Mass Effect to me. FWIW, tactical pause is more than just ME; it's been in every single BW game to this point.
You can't just dismiss people's right to voice what they believe is a complaint about something. If they go on and on about it and hijack threads then sure, get annoyed. But hardly anyone here does that. I think you'll find that most people here who voice complaints about specific things are actually feeling pretty positive about MEA as a whole so far. I definitely am.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 20, 2017 23:24:06 GMT
* SNIP SNIP SNIPADELPHIA * Usually I would agree with you on all fronts. There's a good portion of gamers who look for any excuse to complain and it pisses me off. Should we expect Andromeda to be exactly like previous games? No! Hell, people want Andromeda to change things, but Bioware will get bitched at if they change too much. There's no winning. However, Andromeda is a Mass Effect game. This isn't an entirely new game, nor is it a new series. It's the next installment in the franchise. Just by having the Mass Effect name, there are certain expectations attached to it. We expect it to be set in space, for it to have aliens, and for it to follow most of the same rules established by previous lore. Is this an opportunity to change things? Without a doubt, but we have to decide what is quintessentially Mass Effect. What aspects of the game help us identify it as a Mass Effect game, even if we were to only see the game and not the title? The thing that is quitisentially Mass Effect is on the tin. The 'Mass Effect' is what makes Mass Effect Mass Effect. As long as they have Element zero manipulating tech in the game then it will pretty much be the same franchise.
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Post by projectpatdc on Feb 20, 2017 23:36:13 GMT
Edit: Also here is a snippet of information from the codex that I found interesting: Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them. So now I'm really wondering how they're going to explain this. I predict they won't LOL. I still have a gut feeling that some kind of time alteration/travel is going to happen in this game. We see what could be a black hole in the middle of the cluster and we know the Remnant vaults have something going on with gravity. Thinking about the movie, Interstellar, I think they may focus on the bending of time and space theories with black holes. This could set up for how the kett understand us and may even be hostile to us.
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Post by Blast Processor on Feb 20, 2017 23:51:55 GMT
rivverrabbit makes a interesting well reasoned post and argues his view politely. Gets called a shill and gets hostile responses. Ugh. Nice job BSN. Way to demonstrate maturity and the ability to hold reasonable discussion. Only one person called OP a shill. The rest of the responses have been pretty mild, and certainly not hostile. The unfortunate fact of the matter is ME3 is going to be an elephant in the room when it comes to MEA. Yo. That is a hostile response! Quit hating on the OP. /BSN Logic Is this the part where I feel smug and superior? This is all new to me!
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Post by Sailears on Feb 21, 2017 0:16:52 GMT
They have been pretty clear from the get-go that they are trying to capture the "feel" of the first game. It remains to be seen if they can deliver on that front, but as someone who quite liked Inquisition and who is largely at peace with the updated ending to ME3, Bioware hasn't given me much reason to not trust them. I know plenty of people disagree and that's okay; but for me, Bioware has yet to truly disappoint me so I don't have as much anxiety about MEA as others. Possible spoilers for an old, unrelated film: I get the sense Andromeda will be The Force Awakens of the franchise. Basically a soft reboot that reintroduces people to the franchise and doesn't take too many story risks in order to build a firm foundation for new products going forward. If it can recapture the feeling of meeting new aliens and exploring strange planets while presenting it in a sleek, relaxing aesthetic, I will consider it a success on that front. Slightly off-topic, but I do hope the color palette in MEA is reminiscent of the first Mass Effect. That game was very blue, while ME2 was very orange. ME3 was just vibrant but without the sense that there was a visual style they were going for. I love the first game because it was always felt strangely relaxing even in the middle of a firefight. I attribute that to the game's coloration, design, and music. I agree with everything you said. I don't think they're going to recapture the cool blue tone of ME1, but at least it should recapture the wonder, and feeling of anticipation and romanticism of space exploration. And unlike films, in this case due to improvements in technology and lessons learned from previous games, it has potential to be a superior game to the original, even though the original set the foundations for the lore (whereas films kind of exist on a horizontal level and even with nearly 40 years between ANH and TFA, they can be directly compared because you don't notice a difference in technology when watching a film in the same way you notice it with a new game).
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Post by vanguarddoken on Feb 21, 2017 0:19:17 GMT
There isn't a single Mass Effect fan whose opinion revolves around still being whiny about how Shepard didn't get a consequence-free outcome.
If you are still complaining about the fact that a series about difficult decisions ended with a difficult decision, I highly recommend not buying ME: Andromeda, because BioWare doesn't make games for the people who cannot tolerate any deviation from the exact specific thing that those people think BioWare is obligated to make.
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Post by Sailears on Feb 21, 2017 0:22:40 GMT
Edit: Also here is a snippet of information from the codex that I found interesting: Newly discovered or obscure races don't have machine translation available until the linguists have had time to study them. So now I'm really wondering how they're going to explain this. I predict they won't LOL. I still have a gut feeling that some kind of time alteration/travel is going to happen in this game. We see what could be a black hole in the middle of the cluster and we know the Remnant vaults have something going on with gravity. Thinking about the movie, Interstellar, I think they may focus on the bending of time and space theories with black holes. This could set up for how the kett understand us and may even be hostile to us. Oooooh. Usually time related stories can be a bit hit and miss, but I think you're one to something here. I think if that is true and it does play on themes of time dilation and maybe even time travel, it has the potential to be an outstanding story, maybe dare I say it superior to the entire original trilogy. Damn it would be amazing if it delivered on this front.
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