If its a new protagonist every game...

Apr 9, 2017 1:04:47 GMT griffith82 said:

Apr 9, 2017 0:49:58 GMT The Twilight God said:

High EMS destroy would be fine if either the relay didn't explode or they acknowledged that galactic civilization, as we know it, was over. The ending completely flies in the face of established facts. All the endings are total messes if you want to view them as "win" endings. Only Refusal by an indoctrinated Shepard is internally consistent. If you don't accept that Shepard is indoctrinated then it's the dumbest one of the bunch.

Ah your one of those. Shep is not indoctrinated and relays can explode when overloaded. The endings are within lore and fine with me.

That's because you're either genuinely ignorant or being willfully ignorant.

First of all they cannot rebuild relays. So nobody is going home. They are stuck in or around Sol for the forseeable future. Samara will never see her daughter again. She is literally in a planet with a population of 1 in a system with a population of 1 and in a cluster with a population of 1. No resources will be spent to reach that cluster. Wrex and Grunt will not just hop on a shuttle to Tuchanka the next day. Grunt will probably be as old or older than Wrex if he ever gets back to Tuchanka. The Turians and Quarians present (that includes Tali and Garrus) may all very well die of starvation. And unless you acknowledge that the Kid lied about destroy Kasumi is a vegetable in the best case scenario. Shepard would definitely be dead. No breath scene possible. The galaxy would be in ruin. The infrastructure is gone. Their will be massive collateral death from starvation, disease, etc. I don't want to get into it but it would take decades just to get into a position where they could even start thinking about fixing galactic civilization back up and once they reach that point centuries to restore things to a semblance of what it was. The Salarians, although relatively unscathed, are cut off from everyone else and their own individual worlds. Everyone is cut off. That's how Destroy should have ended if Bioware wanted to be "edgy and artistic". Given the stakes that's an acceptable term for victory.

As Alanc9 stated, then we could revisit the galaxy far into the future as all these cut off pockets start to reconnect. You'd have all these distinct factions, cultures, etc. as each world (those that could self sustain and survived) being a separate culture from the next, even among their own species. You could reboot the Milky Way. But, nah, carebears for everyone. If you're gonna go carebear the MEHEM carebears better.

Shepard is indoctrinated if I say he is. He basically rolled over and let the Reapers win in Refuse. The games story makes it very clear repeatedly that conventional victory is impossible. Shepard agrees with this. Hackett, leading the fight, agrees with this. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. They are losing. The galaxy map even shows this. Shepard has to act or EVERYONE and EVERYTHING he's fighting for is done. I'd like to hear your explanation for why an unindoctrinated Shepard would betray everyone in the Milky Way, but I won't hold my breath. Truth is I hold all the Reaper win endings as indoctrination and the game events bear this out. Green = Saren. Blue = TIM. Red = Anderson. Blue is the bigger misstep on Bioware's part as you literally do the thing you just lectured TIM on 5 minutes prior. I mean, seriously Bioware? All some Reaper has to do is tell you the same crap indoctrinated TIM believed and Shepard is like... "Yeah, OK. I just got finished arguing with TIM about this 5 minutes ago, but I trust you Reaper kid and I'm going to kill myself to show you how much I trust you." At least Saren isn't fresh in memory. But you don't have to agree. Hey, some people don't agree that the Earth is spherical.

Apr 9, 2017 4:10:38 GMT The Twilight God said:

Apr 9, 2017 4:08:39 GMT griffith82 said:

I however can refute everything you said with in game lore

No, you can't. And you know you can't. So I'll add "liar" to the list.

• Considering discussion points or points of view to be dumb or disingenuous: fair game.
• Calling out other posters as dumb or disingenuous: not ok
  
  

Aside of that may I suggest that if anyone wants to have a more than passing re-run of the OT Endings debate, that we take that to the Trilogy sub-forum. 

Thanks.